question Any lander with no 'for sale' and no PPC, just contacts?

[Anna_M]

@Epik.com again maybe?

These guys seem to solve every problem in the industry

Or is self-hosting the only option?

Thank you!

 

[matt_bodis]

Only thing we use from Amazon is SES (SMTP) for outgoing only. And even that we'll probably change quite soon. Too busy trying to get our big update out in January so haven't looked into that yet.

But the less we rely on third parties, the better we can debug issues.

Unfortunately, the issue with hosting (parking or even shared hosting), you share an IP address with someone else. And if that IP is shared it takes 1 bad domain, usually one caught on drops with bad history, to blacklist the entire IP.

Most issues are with spam lists and/or China GFW.

So if you host your own pages, yes it'll likely work for a while. But as soon as you catch a bad domain with bad history, you'll be facing the same issue. The more domains you have, the sooner you'll start encountering such issues.

Perhaps dedicated IPs for various customers with larger set of domains. We have 1024 IPs at our disposable and if we really wanted to, can acquire a few thousand extra. But with all of this, even setting it up, comes a price that is just likely not worth it in the long run. It's an idea but there's just 1000 other things that would take a priority to that, probably for any company. And the worst is, if a company decides to block the entire range and/or something happens where you have to change each and every IP, then what? Just sounds like a technical nightmare.

I think perhaps the itnernet eventually fully transitions to IPv6 that may be the time to start thinking about these ideas. But then blacklist providers might get smarter and start banning ranges since there will be basically a massive supply of IPV6s and I'm sure spammers will try to exploit it.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If without PPC...
You can add your domains to ParkingCrew...
Then set Contact Form mode...
And then you may forward your domains at your registrar to:
https://www.mydomaincontact.com/index.php?domain_name=YOURDOMAIN

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

You may visit Merci.PRO as live example at ParkingCrew...
And click the banner to get just plain Contact Form...

 

[tonyk2000]

Just wondering as we never knew that was the case with Moscow/Russia

Various authorities in RU are allowed (and, in fact, supposed) to block websites. G ads are not prohibited, but, if the domain is in the prohibited list... then the current IP may be blocked. Depends on the ISP - in fact, some block by IP. Official list of blocked domains (also URLs and IPs) is not public, only licensed ISPs do have access to it. Unofficial list: antizapret.info . I know this because I speak Russian; I do not live in Russia though, so maybe @Anna_M can provide more details from inside the country

 

[Anna_M]

Home internet or in your office?
Try via mobile...

Fact:

- http://merci.pro/ does NOT open on Tinkoff Mobile without VPN
- http://merci.pro/ DOES open on Tinkoff Mobile with VPN

Let me pay closer attention from now on to see if I can spot the pattern - use several ISPs and almost always on VPN except when I access Namepros.

Actually, that's how the problem discovered.

Went to merci.pro from your post at Namepros - without VPN.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Regarding Epik...
Contact Form is available for their domains by default on their default nameservers...
Just don't list on their marketplace.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

+ I already asked @matt_bodis regarding this plain contact form... few times...
Maybe, we will see it in future...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

In other words, as was already asked in Bodis thread...
No any mentions that the domain is for sale... and no offer field.
Just Contact Form.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

If you want to publish your contact details like address, phone etc. - there is already Imprint feature with both Bodis and PC.

 

[frank-germany]

why don't you use your own landing page?
that will give you so much more options

like adding analytics
or having different languages pages

and the ability to adjust it
as you please

 

[matt_bodis]

@Anna_M

Are you saying you are restricted in Moscow from visiting the outside web? (Similar to China firewall)?

Just wondering as we never knew that was the case with Moscow/Russia.

 

[tonyk2000]

Bodis is definitely not banned in Russia...
Even today I have received Russian bid via Bodis..

So must be an ISP issue. If deep packet inspection (DPI) is used by russian ISP - then only blocked domains are blocked, parked or not. If there is no DPI - then the ISP simply blocks by IP, some bad domain has bodis parking IP - and the whole bodis would be unaccessible through this particular ISP.

 

[capybara]

It is probably Parkingcrew blocking Russian IP ranges.

 

[tonyk2000]

I would not be surprised if russian mobile networks are explicitly banned on various non-RU websites, including parkingcrew. Too many spam traffic. Searching for хрумер (better this way, in cyrillic, as it is the root) may explain why this happens... Non-mobile traffic from RU is more or less fine.

 

[Doron Vermaat]

We have a bunch of landing pages without ads and just a simple "contact us" form at Efty. Here's an example: http://www.eftylent.com/?picker=true&tpl=indrp_fresku

 

[tonyk2000]

Resume: own hosted landing pages should be better nowadays. Not only it would eliminate a possiblity of IP bans we are speaking about, but it would also allow better landers customization. This would mean no parking income - but it is not a big loss really. Russia, China with its big firewall, etc - so any parking company (or any mass domain landing service) may have issues with receiving some or all parts of the traffic. Reputable hosting company should less likely have such issues, moreover, ordering dedicated IP even for shared hosting plan should be possible with some providers. I would however avoid amazon services (ec2, etc) in this aspect. They are great, no doubts, but... too many sites are hosted with amazon. Telegram messenger was using their infrastructure at some point of time, and Russia banned all amazon hosting IPs when they tried to prohibit Telegram. I think they later unbanned amazon, but still...

And, by the way, if the domain portfolio is also for sale on Afternic (or any U.S.-based marketplace) - and the seller is not in U.S. - then the hosting for landing pages should also be outside U.S. This is due to American W8-BEN tax form ("the undersigned certifies that he is not U.S. resident and does not use webhosting in U.S.", or similar wording)

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

I have informed ParkingCrew directly via Feedback button...
Waiting for their reply...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Probably, this is a reason... Amazon...
ParkingCrew nameservers are Amazon based...

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

It is probably Parkingcrew blocking Russian IP ranges.

PC replied yesterday that NO any RU blocks on their side.

 

[Anna_M]

If without PPC...
You can add your domains to ParkingCrew...
Then set Contact Form mode...
And then you may forward your domains at your registrar to:
https://www.mydomaincontact.com/index.php?domain_name=YOURDOMAIN

Cool! Thank you as always yet again

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

But PPC connection will still be present for those who would want to see it , no?

At Bodis you will be able to activate autoredirect... like currently with their Sales Form...

 

[matt_bodis]

So let me get this right, it would still be a for sale lander just would have no form to submit, only email / contact info instead?

Sounds like an interesting idea.

We'll add the contact info only to sale banner so would be good to offer a sale page as well.

 

[Anna_M]

If you want to publish your contact details like address, phone etc. - there is already Imprint feature with both Bodis and PC.

Impressed

 

[Anna_M]

You may visit Merci.PRO as live example at ParkingCrew...
And click the banner to get just plain Contact Form...

Not particularly easy to access from behind the wall : )