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An offer and an interesting message.

Labeled as discuss in General Domain Discussion, started by Primary Names, Oct 10, 2020

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  1. Primary Names

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    I caught a domain name, a hybrid combination, say nioFresh.com at dropcatch about a month ago. Then I listed it for $18XX at dan.com. Few days ago it got an offer of $100. Now the offer-maker has sent this message.
    Personally I feel that I should let him know that being a first owner of a domain name does not give a right to own a domain forever. I mean we have annual domain renewals for a reason, right ?

    Everyone knows, it is really hard to catch good names these days due to competition. I takes time, money and constant effort. If I keep giving away domains just because someone comes along and says hand it over because I registered it first, then all is wasted.

    Whenever I put a backorder I hardly ever search for the history of a domain-name. TBH, there is hardly time to do so whilst chasing all the drops and expires. Also does not make sense to do the diligence all the names we backorder when we not sure will own it.

    Few more points - I would be happy to let it go for high XXX to low XXXX. The offer maker is based in India and so am I.

    I would like to know how you would handle this situation. Also I would like to know how trademarks work in India in relation to domains.

    Please share your thoughts.

    I am tagging a few individuals whose opinions I value. @wwwweb @AbdulBasit.com @karmaco @alcy @TERADOMAIN
     
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  2. lock

    lock DomainUsed.com VIP

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    As new owner i would like offer closer to asking price thanks for your interest.
     
  3. kite26

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    I appreciate your offer, but our pricing policy is strict. However, you have the option to pay with installments (x is the max number of installments).
     
  4. gilescoley

    gilescoley Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I call BS on this. I have had emails saying that they "accidentally" let is expire and could they have it back as it was their business domain. They are happy to pay a small fee to get it back too. :xf.wink::xf.wink: Trying the pity angle :sneaky::sneaky:
     
  5. Primary Names

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    Forgot to mention this in the original-post. Now I cant edit the post. :facepalm: But I countered the original offer of $100 with counter of $1500 which is what you suggested, and the message was in reponse to my counter-offer.
     
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  6. equity78

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    The first thing you have to figure out is what are the trademark rules in India. Secondly do they have rights under those Indian tm laws?

    If yes you need to think long and hard how to play it, what would the costs be for them to get the name through other means? How valuable is the name?

    If no, then set your price and let them know that you know your rights and are prepared to defend them.
     
  7. Primary Names

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    I agree, the installment angle may give the guy some room to readjust.
     
  8. Primary Names

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    @gilescoley but were you able to sell any of those domains that had such queries ? If yes, then I am very keen to know how you handled it.
     
  9. gilescoley

    gilescoley Top Member PRO VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Nope, they just wanted it cheap, if I remember correctly, one of them went from like $80 to $130 or something, but the domain was worth at least mid x,xxx
     
  10. Primary Names

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    yes, working on that. Although, I think will be harder to figure out how it is in terms of domains.
     
  11. Silentptnr

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    The history shows it having been on Sedo and Dan with no history of a website I can see. It was first registered in only 2019. They dropped it after one year. I think they are making up that story. I would ignore them, post a $X,XXX bin and forget about it.

    I had a guy email me a really interesting story of how he had business cards and stationary and had plans for the domain. He said he could do like $300 I think. I told him how sorry I was but I couldn't afford to sell at such a loss from my expected price. Few months later, the domain sold via afternic fast transfer for 3k. I'm pretty sure it was him.
     
  12. Primary Names

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    This one actually has some product links on twitter pointing to pages on site. So definitely not a tire kicker. So my intention is to somehow manage to actually sell this one.
     
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  14. Primary Names

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    You seem to have dug the history for nioFresh.com. It was just an illustration of a similar name. I mentioned it in the original post. You seem to have missed this. PS - I own niofresh too.
     
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  15. Primary Names

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    Ya. I want to but not gonna do that. :xf.cool: Will prefer to keep a backdoor for negotiations.
     
  16. karmaco

    karmaco Top Contributor VIP

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    I would leave a buy it now and cease communication. Next will be threats if you continue to engage. They want you on defense. If you reply further it should be to say your bin is not negotiable as its a very reasonable price and is your lowest and best offer.

    I don’t believe it either. They didn’t know they dropped it for a month or two? Come on.
     
  17. Primary Names

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    Actionable and precise, thank you. Most probably will take this stance. Just want the other bases covered. Eg. if there is a way they can get the name through other means as @equity78 hinted and whether they have any possible rights under relevant Indian tm laws? This is my blind-side right now.
     
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  18. tonyk2000

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    This enduser at least has/had an intention to "take care of the expenses at your end". I've seen cases where the previous owners asked to simply "give it back", explaining how bad the domain is for any other purpose. No offers, no price requests. Just "give it back to me" ;-()
     
  19. karmaco

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    Is this a dot com or .in, is there a trademark? Is the person contacting you mentioning a trademark? I seemed to have missed some info from the original post.
     
  20. Primary Names

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    Its a dotcom. Very similar in nature to the example - nioFresh.com.
    No.

    PS - Their digital footprint suggests that it is a small business.
     
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  21. Primary Names

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    I have reading and this article comes quite close to what may be relevant to my case. What I am not sure of is if the offer-maker has registered the said exampleDomain as a trademark. There is an additional angle to this eg. how costly is it to sue someone in such case in India. It may be possible that for $XXX it may not be worth it for the offer-maker to go down that path.

    Here is the relevant bit.

     
  22. Pairadice

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    I try as hard as possible to make it so these plebs can't send me direct messages. I'm sure they will come up with all kinds of stories of why they need the domain back. I had one dude harass me at least one time pulling on all the heartstrings and I ended up giving him a basically worthless domain for free just to get rid of him. He offered my reg fees back but I blocked him instead. Ever since then I do BIN or nothing... but I am thinking about opening listings up to offers if other people think that increases sell thru rate.
     
  23. Mister Funsky

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    I did not read all the replies above and there may be relevant information but...

    What you say here is the key. I would set the price at 850 (high xxx) and let the person know that this price will stay in place for 48 hours. After that time you will take it back to your original asking price. I would not interact at all as far as who/when/where the name belonged to prior to you acquiring it.
     
  24. MapleDots

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    I would guess the domain is biofresh or similar which makes it a really good domain.

    If that is similar to your domain then you are under selling already. Guy should kiss your feet and take your deal, he would not get similar from me.
     
  25. Beep.IM

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    Tell him you'll offer him technical support for $1899
     
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