domain aB.TC - my expectations = real or too high?

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Hello Pros!

I'm actually not new to domain selling but until now I only bought/sold .com domains so having bit of a hard time with this one.

aB.TC

My personal considerations:

+It's the shortest 2-words (a + BTC) Crypto/Bitcoin domain ever possible to this date, together with iB.TC... the shortest 1-word is B.TC and is of course already acquired by btcmedia.org

+There are already big companys using the name ABTC like the Achain Fork or AML Bitcoin, and I guess this will increase steadily so the domain should have great value for one of those to stand out against all other.

+ad.tc got sold for $2,750 on 2011-03-25 (7 1/2 years ago! - today's domain values are way higher, aren't they?:-P)

+.tc-domains are british territory, even though widely known in turkey (Turks and Caicos isles) - so no worries that crypto .tc domains will get shut down, they are as safe as .io and I also wouldn't wonder if they become a similar hype - you heard it here 1st :-P - since .tc can mean many crypto-related things like 'trading center/coins' or coins like LTC, FTC etc... btw aL.TC - 2L.TC - 4L.TC is still free, I already invested enough in .tc domains so hf&gl ;-D
But I'm not sure how bright the future of LTC will be anyway, considering Lightning Network.
another free: yB.TC - could be whyBTC, a info-site or anything.
(Netcetera.co.uk is the provider you would want for cheapest .tc domains.)

Which all makes me set my asking price for 4,000$+ right now - does that seem realistic, too low or too much to you guys?

Very happy about any thoughts!

 
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I don't see value. A BTC != BTC
Possibly, maybe, B.TC could sell but only for novelty so probably not for much, and provided there is no premium pricing on short domains.

I'm not saying your price expectation is unrealistic though, the asking price does not matter if there is no buyer.
 
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I don't see value. A BTC != BTC
Possibly, maybe, B.TC could sell but only for novelty so probably not for much, and provided there is no premium pricing on short domains.

I'm not saying your price expectation is unrealistic though, the asking price does not matter if there is no buyer.

I appreciate your answere but don't really understand your explanation here for not seeing value since that would mean for example: 4BTC.com (owner is asking for 23k€) or pBTC.com (sold for 5600$) would have no value too.
You probably would be surprised for how much B.TC got sold ;)
 
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Millions of domains are listed for sale at outrageous prices, it means nothing. Only the completed sales count. And flukes will happen in any TLD. Just because a name sold in a certain TLD does not mean the whole TLD is valuable, or that such sales will repeat often.
With a bit of creativity, any short name can have some made-up meaning. But that does not make them instantly desirable.
You are comparing apples to oranges, .com domains to .tc domains. Besides, ab.tc is not even a good domain hack. B.TC would qualify.
 
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Millions of domains are listed for sale at outrageous prices, it means nothing. Only the completed sales count.
And flukes will happen in any TLD. Just because a name sold in a certain TLD does not mean the whole TLD is valuable, or that such sales will repeat often.

Right, so only similar historical sales:

pBTC.com - 5600$
zBTC.com 1565$
mBTC.ORG 1500$
51BTC.com 760$
xBTC.IO 515$

You are comparing apples to oranges, .com domains to .tc domains. Besides, ab.tc is not even a good domain hack. B.TC would qualify.

I am not, what I mean is - following your 1st post's explanation - all sold names above would have no value since they '!= BTC'.

How is it not a good domain hack?
I think 2B.TC + 4B.TC are way better in that case but
to aB.TC could follow aB.TC/exchange, aB.TC/shop, aB.TC/casino etc...
Or simply as already mentioned - there exist already at least 2 as ABTC traded coins - an Achain fork + AML Bitcoin, so how is AB.TC not a good domain name for such? Very easy to remember with the point in the middle, even for people seeing the .tc extension for the 1st time.
 
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You are quoting a bunch of sales that are not comparable. Different extensions, different patterns. Even if they were, it's still a small sample.
You misunderstood me, I never said any domain that contains the string BTC is valuable.
You are trying to sell a domain hack, that isn't even a proper domain hack. Even regular domain hacks are not selling often. We are talking about a fluke market.

Personally I just see a LL domain in an exotic extension. There is a market for LL/LLL domains in strong ccTLDs though, but .tc is not of them.

You have to look at domaining in terms of statistical probability: a few sales happen here and there, but the odds that you (or another domain) will make a sale are slim. When you have really strong name the odds are high. When you have novelty items you have to rely on luck alone and the odds of winning the lottery are usually higher.

In fact any domain that was available to register and has been sitting unregistered for a long time should be considered as suspicious. It usually means nobody would buy them for regfee. Thus it is rather unlikely that someone else will show up later, and be willing to pay much to acquire it from you.
Sales are the exception, not the norm.
 
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You are quoting a bunch of sales that are not comparable. Different extensions, different patterns. Even if they were, it's still a small sample.
You misunderstood me, I never said any domain that contains the string BTC is valuable.

Not sure if that's misunderstanding if you only write "A BTC != BTC" as explanation. Why would there be value (1500$) in mBTC.org but 'no value' in mB.TC (yes, you were talking about aB.TC but following your explanation you are saying the same about mB.TC)? Sure, it's not a .org-domain (which is not a .com-domain ;)) and this one + all other samples (do you want more? In crypto there are a looots of sells, if you are not familiar with the topic) are not 1:1 comparable, but in some ways they are.
This case has a big advantage + a small disadvantage. In my opinion, and all others I have asked (I hope some more people will state their opinion about it here), the advantage - mB.TC being the way shorter domain with a very easy to remember point in the middle - which both makes the .tc extension being pretty fine here, outweighs the disadvantage (the less known .tc extension).
I totally understand, you don't see any value in aB.TC (or 4B.TC / 2B.TC / mB.TC), but your explanation for your statement is not reasonable.
There is a rule about this in the Domain Appraisal sub for a reason.
Your opinion that "B.TC could sell but only for novelty so probably not for much"
is also completely off, like I said - you would be surprised for how much it got sold. Not sure if I'm allowed to state how I know that but maybe an easier way: F.TC sold for 3500$ (Sedo) and is by far not as interesting.

You are trying to sell a domain hack, that isn't even a proper domain hack. Even regular domain hacks are not selling often. We are talking about a fluke market.

That's again just your opinion without any (this time not even a non-reasonable) explanation.
In fact, all mentioned xB.TC domains are a 'proper domain hack'.
If you're stating that because BTC is only the short for Bitcoin - your opinion that it's not a proper domain hack is still wrong and unreasonable.

Personally I just see a LL domain in an exotic extension. There is a market for LL/LLL domains in strong ccTLDs though, but .tc is not of them.

You have to look at domaining in terms of statistical probability: a few sales happen here and there, but the odds that you (or another domain) will make a sale are slim. When you have really strong name the odds are high. When you have novelty items you have to rely on luck alone and the odds of winning the lottery are usually higher.

In fact any domain that was available to register and has been sitting unregistered for a long time should be considered as suspicious. It usually means nobody would buy them for regfee. Thus it is rather unlikely that someone else will show up later, and be willing to pay much to acquire it from you.
Sales are the exception, not the norm.

Thanks for trying to teach me about domaining, though I would have prefered you used that energy to say something about my points/arguments to why the domain definitely has some value or give any reasonable explanation to your 'no value' opinion. Like I mentioned, I'm not new to domaining. Just never bought anything else than .com for sale.

You state in one sentence there is no market for .tc domains and then you state those domains are suspicious if they are unregistered for a long time, seems like you are missing something there. :-P
Besides, aB.TC just got free when I registered it.
Also there was no interest in many other extensions at first and many gems were free for a long time (.io), until they are not and big sites start using them and suddenly there are sales like with so many .io domains or freebit.co.in for 1k$...
 
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2 letter term in an obscure extension. I don't see much value.

There has only been (1) reported .TC sale in the last 7 years.

Good luck.

Brad
 
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things do not look the same when you begin domaining.. and after you do it for few years..
its how it works for us all.

I would personally not count to sell this as btc related at all. more like 2L .tc domain

and like others said.. tc is not a very hot extension when comes to sales.

that being said.. speaking of hacks.. and bitcoin... you'd have to look more at things like...

bitco.in

which anyone here wouldn't mind owning

happy domaining.
 
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Not sure if that's misunderstanding if you only write "A BTC != BTC" as explanation. Why would there be value (1500$) in mBTC.org but 'no value' in mB.TC (yes, you were talking about aB.TC but following your explanation you are saying the same about mB.TC)?
Actually, I don't see value in mBTC.org. It's more like an accident. Many sales are one of a kind, they happen because of specific circumstances.
In this case, it seems the end user bought it because it was their corporate acronym. Nothing to do with bitcoin anyway.
It doesn't mean any other random LLLL.org has resale value and will sell for that kind of amount.
And I still don't understand why you're comparing mBTC.org to ab.tc or mb.tc. Different patterns, different extensions. Domain names don't sell just because they contain some 'magical' string.

Domainers seem to think that because an apple sold, they will be able to sell oranges (hundreds of them).

Sure, it's not a .org-domain (which is not a .com-domain ;)) and this one + all other samples (do you want more? In crypto there are a looots of sells, if you are not familiar with the topic) are not 1:1 comparable, but in some ways they are.
I know that crypto names are selling. But usually not in exotic extensions (with the exception of .io perhaps). Not in the form of domain hacks and the sort. Nothing to do with your LL.tc domain. I see it as a LL.cctld, not a crypto domain.

Thanks for trying to teach me about domaining, though I would have prefered you used that energy to say something about my points/arguments to why the domain definitely has some value or give any reasonable explanation to your 'no value' opinion. Like I mentioned, I'm not new to domaining. Just never bought anything else than .com for sale.
I don't want to make another long post, but anyway.
It's not hard to understand, from my point of view.

The vast majority of registered domains have no particular value and will never sell. Because nobody else wants them. Period. Even in .com. Here we are talking about an obscure extension.
Like I said, domain sales are the exception and not the norm.
So it means the odds are definitely against the registrant, unless the domain is special or unless you are very lucky.
You are thinking backwards, you are convinced the name has value and you're asking me to demonstrate the opposite.
It does not work like this in domaining. If every reg had value, everyone would be making sales non-stop.
In my view these domains have no value until proof to the contrary. I know that there is virtually zero chance of a sale here, so I am much more likely to be right than wrong. I am thinking a lot in terms of probabilities and I buy domains accordingly. That means I shun exotic extensions to begin with, they are an immediate hurdle and I don't want to make things more difficult.

You state in one sentence there is no market for .tc domains and then you state those domains are suspicious if they are unregistered for a long time, seems like you are missing something there. :-P
Besides, aB.TC just got free when I registered it.
17 reported sales in Namebio. I don't call that a market. It further demonstrates that the odds of selling a .tc, any .tc are virtually nil. Perhaps there is a reason why the previous registrant did not renew ab.tc.
Maybe I am missing something here, you tell me.
 
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Are you a friend of Kate or is it normal that people here only highlight negative things, don't provide reasonable explanations for "no/not much value" and don't discussing anything about points mentioned?
You sure are making a lot of friends in this thread. :-P

Just go put your domain up for sale for whatever price you think and relax. You obviously have no use for seasoned professionals giving you sound advice.
 
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AB.TC is worth reg fee.

Why? There is no liquidity in the .TC extension. It is a cctld with minimal overall internet penetration. No one is going out of their way to make sure they are using a .TC as their customer facing domain name.

Why is their no liquidity? There has only been a total of $20.8k in reported dollar volume when looking at the extensions historical aftermarket sales. This is over a time horizon of more than 10 years. Information like this should be a clear indicator for you to realize that there is a very low chance of sale in such an obscure cctld.

I understand your enthusiasm for the name but you're starting out into domains and have absolutely no idea of the multitude of factors that actually make a domain valuable.

Ask any seasoned domainer and they will tell you the same thing because they have years of experience buying and selling in a niche you just got into a few days ago. You've been given accurate appraisals, I suggest you take advantage of the valuable information you've been given and learn from this.


Here are my own suggestions for you:

- Don't register domains in obscure extensions like .TC
-Try and only register domains in .com for now...until you fully understand the different aspects of domain valuation and how liquidity is derived in this extension before learning about other extensions.
- Study domain sales at namebio.com and the completed domains sales thread on NP
-Watch DomainSherpa.com/review
-Use Exprieddomains.net (sing up) ---->Find names in auction or closeouts. Personalize your filters.
- Try not register anything for a week or two and just study domains. .
 
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1. Actually, I don't see value in mBTC.org. It's more like an accident. Many sales are one of a kind, they happen because of specific circumstances.
In this case, it seems the end user bought it because it was their corporate acronym. Nothing to do with bitcoin anyway.

2. And I still don't understand why you're comparing mBTC.org to ab.tc or mb.tc. Different patterns, different extensions. Domain names don't sell just because they contain some 'magical' string.

3. I know that crypto names are selling. But usually not in exotic extensions (with the exception of .io perhaps). Not in the form of domain hacks and the sort. Nothing to do with your LL.tc domain. I see it as a LL.cctld, not a crypto domain.

4. I don't want to make another long post, but anyway.
It's not hard to understand, from my point of view.

5. You are thinking backwards, you are convinced the name has value and you're asking me to demonstrate the opposite.
It does not work like this in domaining. If every reg had value, everyone would be making sales non-stop.

6. I know that there is virtually zero chance of a sale here, so I am much more likely to be right than wrong. I am thinking a lot in terms of probabilities and I buy domains accordingly. That means I shun exotic extensions to begin with, they are an immediate hurdle and I don't want to make things more difficult.

7. 17 reported sales in Namebio. I don't call that a market. It further demonstrates that the odds of selling a .tc, any .tc are virtually nil. Perhaps there is a reason why the previous registrant did not renew ab.tc.
Maybe I am missing something here, you tell me.

Since you're spending quite some time repeating yourself and writing other non topic relevant stuff about domains to increase your rhetoric, this is the last time I'm answering to you since you seem to have an agenda.

I numbered the quote of yours.
1. MBTC doesn't seem to fit their name 'Miami Beach Chamber of Commerce' except the MB, seems more to me like they bought the domain for speculation purpose and / or to point it as marketing to their website - BTC owners are welcome to commerce. I don't think anyone would buy a expensive BTC related domain 'accidently' if it doesn't even fully fit the name. There probably would have been way cheaper ways to get a similar, shorter domain than miamibeachchamber.com

2. And still I did that because of your explanation to why my domain has 0 value. Domain Names also sell because they are easy memorable + many other things (the more, the better) combined like having an actual word-meaning like in this cases. But okay, I'm talking to someone who thinks B.TC is not worth much, you seem to be frozen in some specific domain pattern.

3. You don't seem to know much about crypto names, would be good for you to get more into that.

4. But you do, mostly repeating yourself and adding completely unrelevant general domaining infos. If I'm trying to help someone I'm not going to do that if my help clearly is not wanted.

5. No, all I am asking for was a reasonable explanation to your statement my domain has no value because 'A BTC != BTC' since I reasonably retorted why this argumentation makes no sense.

6. If being right is what this for you about: Yes, you're right - B.TC has not much value and any other mentioned here has 0. You totally convinced me and other people here agree with you, see? I got owned.

7. Like I wrote in my post before, .io extensions also had only 7 reported sales from 1997 to 2010. However, there are quite some unreported (B.TC) and not many options for really good ones with the term B.TC, actually all good ones are taken yet and there even are nice sites like iB.TC, myB.TC or just B.TC ... the more successful they are, the more valuable my domains are + the more xxxB.TC domains will exist. But of course they have no value, and I'm just talking about gummy bear value - you're still right.

I put you on my ignore list now, feel free to repeat yourself - I won't.
 
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AB.TC is worth reg fee.

Why? There is no liquidity in the .TC extension. It is a cctld with minimal overall internet penetration. No one is going out of their way to make sure they are using a .TC as their customer facing domain name.

Why is their no liquidity? There has only been a total of $20.8k in reported dollar volume when looking at the extensions historical aftermarket sales. This is over a time horizon of more than 10 years. Information like this should be a clear indicator for you to realize that there is a very low chance of sale in such an obscure cctld.

If that's your only reason for valuing it 'reg fee' than you're saying B.TC is worth that too - I know better in that case.

I understand your enthusiasm for the name but you're starting out into domains and have absolutely no idea of the multitude of factors that actually make a domain valuable.

Like I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, I am not 'starting out into domains'. But I see you havn't even read it.

Ask any seasoned domainer and they will tell you the same thing because they have years of experience buying and selling in a niche you just got into a few days ago. You've been given accurate appraisals, I suggest you take advantage of the valuable information you've been given and learn from this.

I did, people answering here suddenly do that a few min after I wasn't that nice to Kate anymore since I realized she/he has an agenda.

Here are my own suggestions for you:

- Don't register domains in obscure extensions like .TC
-Try and only register domains in .com for now...until you fully understand the different aspects of domain valuation and how liquidity is derived in this extension before learning about other extensions.
- Study domain sales at namebio.com and the completed domains sales thread on NP
-Watch DomainSherpa.com/review
-Use Exprieddomains.net (sing up) ---->Find names in auction or closeouts. Personalize your filters.
- Try not register anything for a week or two and just study domains. .

Thank you, I'd suggest to myself:
- always be nice to 10+ years members here with 20k+ posts or you're getting annoyed and your domains fudded

If someone has anything else to say than '.tc has no market and is obscure' - happy to hear!
 
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If that's your only reason for valuing it 'reg fee' than you're saying B.TC is worth that too - I know better in that case.



Like I mentioned at the beginning of this thread, I am not 'starting out into domains'. But I see you havn't even read it.



I did, people answering here suddenly do that a few min after I wasn't that nice to Kate anymore since I realized she/he has an agenda.



Thank you, I'd suggest to myself:
- always be nice to 10+ years members here with 20k+ posts or you're getting annoyed and your domains fudded

If someone has anything else to say than '.tc has no market and is obscure' - happy to hear!


I think you need to understand something. No one is going to tell you that your domain is valuable when it's not. What you interpret as someone being negative towards your name is in reality them giving you valuable advice on why it's current market value is negligible .If you want to take personal offense to that then so be it. Anyone viewing this thread can see that there is increasing friction between you and everyone that provides you with the notion that your name has no value. The truth hurts.

The title of your thread is :

aB.TC - my expectations = real or too high?




I think it's quite clear now that your expectations are too high. No one actually has a vendetta against you. Your name just has very little value and this is an appraisal thread. You're getting exactly what you asked for.
 
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I think you need to understand something. No one is going to tell you that your domain is valuable when it's not. What you interpret as someone being negative towards your name is in reality them giving you valuable advice on why it's current market value is negligible .If you want to take personal offense to that then so be it. Anyone viewing this thread can see that there is increasing friction between you and everyone that provides you with the notion that your name has no value. The truth hurts.

The title of your thread is :

aB.TC - my expectations = real or too high?




I think it's quite clear now that your expectations are too high. No one actually has a vendetta against you. Your name just has very little value and this is an appraisal thread. You're getting exactly what you asked for.

Oh cmon it's so boring, can you guys put some arguments in small sentences as one should in a discussion instead of saying nothing with great rhetoric?

I just told you it's nonsense to only value my domains at 0 with saying 'there is not much volume in reported .tc sales' since that would value B.TC at 0 too and everyone with 2 functioning brain cells can see a high value in B.TC... (as well as in BTC in general).
Do you want to retort that or just keep spamming?

I see, you only read the title and came here because of Kate.
However, feel free to bump my thread until it becomes the biggest thread ever here, hey Kate I deleted you from my ignore list, let's put this further!
 
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Let me first say @CryptoBison (nice un by the way!) that I appreciate the degree of explanation you provided to start the past. It shows you had done a fair amount of research already which is commendable.

I had a look at NameBio and although the .tc has sold 17 times for $1226 average. None of those recently, though. I think by far the closest comparator sale is tc, ad and st that sold for $5760, $2750 and $300. Of course ad has the advantage of being a short high value word too, but as you point out ab with the BTC interpretation has a strength too. My main concern is the lack of sales in the extension in recent years.

Before writing this, I also looked through the recorded sales in NameBio for 2 letter cc domains, and looked through the list. All of the highest value ones are in major generic or country extensions such as co, io, uk, de, ca, tv, eu, etc. I did notice that pd with the .gg extension (although some are using gg for global gaming recently), arguably somewhat similar in popularity, sold for $2500 earlier this year. I also note that the name le sold with the .vc extension for $2055 a few months ago. Le of course is a potentially high value word.

If it was mine I probably would try for something low $$$$ (I mean it is a 2+2 and 3 of those make BTC), but I would mentally prepare myself that getting something mid to high $$$ is a more realistic expectation.

I totally accept that I may well be wrong, but offer the best I can do on this. Best of luck with it!


(PS Should have added that I have zero experience trying to sell any less common cc names. The only cc I have handled are my own country (ca), some co, me and a few pw. The only cc I have (yet!) sold in is in co, so those with a decade of experience trying to sell minor country extensions do have a perspective I lack)
 
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Let me first say @CryptoBison (nice un by the way!) that I appreciate the degree of explanation you provided to start the past. It shows you had done a fair amount of research already which is commendable.

I had a look at NameBio and although the .tc has sold 17 times for $1226 average. None off those recently, though. I think by far the closest comparator sale is tc, ad and st that sold for $5760, $2750 and $300. Of course ad has the advantage of being a short high value word too, but as you point out ab with the BTC interpretation has a strength too. My main concern is the lack of sales in the extension in recent years.

Before writing this, I also looked through the recorded sales in NameBio for 2 letter cc domains, and looked through the list. All of the highest value ones are in major generic or country extensions such as co, io, uk, de, ca, tv, eu, etc. I did notice that pd with the .gg extension (although some are using gg for global gaming recently), arguably somewhat similar in popularity, sold for $2500 earlier this year. I also note that the name le sold with the .vc extension for $2055 a few months ago. Le of course is a potentially high value word.

If it was mine I probably would try for something low $$$$ (I mean it is a 2+2 and 3 of those make BTC), but I would mentally prepare myself that getting something mid to high $$$ is a more realistic expectation.

I totally accept that I may well be wrong, but offer the best I can do on this. Best of luck with it!

Lovely, I really didn't expect someone coming up with REAL thoughts here after so many 'high ranked' Namepro members are against me now and thus against you too maybe.
You have my deep respect, and thanks alot for taking the time researching + expressing your thoughts! Will keep you in mind.
 
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Oh cmon it's so boring, can you guys put some arguments in small sentences as one should in a discussion instead of saying nothing with great rhetoric?

I just told you it's nonsense to only value my domains at 0 with saying 'there is not much volume in reported .tc sales' since that would value B.TC at 0 too and everyone with 2 functioning brain cells can see a high value in B.TC... (as well as in BTC in general).
Do you want to retort that or just keep spamming?


Spamming what? You don't own B.TC you own AB.TC. B.TC is a domain hack, AB.TC is not. They are two different types of domains. One with infinitely more possibilities than the other.

You keep asking people to provide you evidence in their arguments. You've been given analysis based on reported sales and consider that irrelevant to the notion that your domain lacks in value. What more can I say?

The only opinion that you think is viable is the one that provides you with a favorable result. The majority of people on this forum won't give you that. You're response to the only seemingly positive opinion confirms this not just to me...but to everyone reading the thread.


Also for the sake of rebuttal the transaction volume of .TC in terms of domain sales is so minimal that the likelihood of sale for a name like your's is almost non-existent. Unless you outbound this to an end user...it's a very tough sell. There is so little interest in .TC that you may not ever see any offers for such a name.

Look at the sales volume in .IO compared to .TC.




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Spamming what? You don't own B.TC you own AB.TC. B.TC is a domain hack, AB.TC is not. They are two different types of domains. One with infinitely more possibilities than the other.

Do you not understand, that if you say aB.TC has no value because - and that is btw the only reason, without any constructive argument, you mention so you're violating rule 5.1 here, just like Kate - .tc domains don't have much reported liquidity, you're also saying B.TC has no value, and that is nonsense?

You keep asking people to provide you evidence in their arguments. You've been given analysis based on reported sales and consider that irrelevant to notion that your domain lacks in value. What more can I say?

The only opinion that you think is viable is the one that provides you with a favorable result. The majority of people on this forum won't give you that. You're response to the only seemingly positive opinion confirms this not just to me...but to everyone reading the thread.


There are way more things to consider about those domains than only the extension and everyone who does only that has no idea - what I don't think about you guys =) - or something bad in mind.
Writing in bold makes your nonsense rhetoric not any more valuable btw.

Also for the sake of rebuttal the transaction volume of .TC is so minimal that the likelihood of sale for a name like your's is almost non-existent. Unless you outbound this to an end user...it's a very tough sell. There is so little interest in .TC that you may not ever see any an offer for such a name.

Look at the sales volume in .IO compared to .TC. It's like comparing

Read again what I wrote about that and try to understand the full context.
 
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