A little respect with sellers

[Salai Domains]

Hi friends! How are you today?

I'm writing this post because in most part of time I'm selling here at Namepros. I know that so many are doing the same thing here, and I feel that most of us have the same feeling that me.

We sellers always are clicking at the section of Namepros called "Request Domains" at "Market Place". There we can find a lot of possible buyers asking for domains (WTB).

So we sellers, get the names form our list, we clicked at the name, we start a conversation, and no one answer us. Some buyers, sometimes, writing at the Request "I will only answer if I like"

So I have one question for all, Do you like to offer anything for somebody and the other guy ignore you?

Please show a little respect for us the sellers, just say "No I don't want your domains, thank you" (Copy paste from here.) It's easier for everyone and show respect in the trade.

This is just my opinion, I don't own the truth. I know the buyers receive a LOT of PM's when they post a thread asking for domains, but a simple answer changes everything.

 

[ulterios]

I completely understand what you mean and agree with you for the most part.

The problem is that this issue goes both ways. Many times a buyer posts EXACTLY what he/she is looking for and will get many replies that are clearly NOT what the potential buyer requested.

As an example, a buyer posts that they are looking for a LLLL.com and then sellers will post their LLLL.net and other domains that are clearly NOT what the potential buyer posted that they were looking for.

So basically what I am saying is that both sellers and buyers should both follow requests that are what a buyer is wanting and only post domains that fall into what is requested. However, I agree that is is respectful for a buyer to also reply back to a seller and say "Thanks, but I am not interested at this time" or something else similar.

Both buyers AND sellers need to work on their forum/community postings and replies in this matter.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

I know this happens a lot. I never send a PM when I know my domains dont meet the required criteria. One certain, user, I sent him EXACTLY what he wanted and he never answered. I got an offer for the names i sent him and AGAIN contacted him and he said No I dont want ...maybe if they were cheaper. He didnt even counter!

That user posts a lot of request and after that TIME , I never even bother to contact him.

Seen a couple of other users who did the same thing too.

So I feel most of those posting are not actually serious about what they want.

Even if a seller send you domains that dont meet the criteria, as a buyer, you STILL should show some sort of respect and seriousness and tell the seller NO , these domains dont meet the criteria I wrote. Please read the post again and get back to me if you have domains that meet my demands.

It is not big deal.

 

[Nerevar]

For practical reasons, it is very time-consuming to answer to everyone when you receive many dozens of proposals (because buyers are more rare than sellers), and for my tastes it is also pointess and time-wasting. I do not expect an answer neither when I am a seller, nor when I am a bargaining buyer. Especially when that buyer / seller states clearly "if I do not answer - then I am not interested". When I am the seller, I am trying to answer to proporals that were exactly what I asked for, if I have time. But, being sent the domains that you did not ask for is a burden, time wasting and disrespect to the buyer. If that warrants an answer, that answer would not be very civil and kind. When I am a seller, I tend to include a time limit for my offers, so that I do not need to wait for an answer. "These prices are vaild for 5 days" or something like that.

 

[ulterios]

Ok I agree with you, but even when the seller send a PM with wrong domains, why not say "No I don't want your domains, thank you" ?
I always respect and send exactly the domains, or I ask before to sent if they don't meet the criteria.

I think say "no thank you" show respect.

That's good of you and that's how it should be. However, in a forum community like ours with people from around the world interacting, There are many reasons why proper replies don't happen.

1. Sometimes people are not English speakers and will reply with what they think is right, or translated for them on the web.

2. People are busy and reply with short replies because they are doing other things.

3. Someone might be having a bad day and they are just short or not as polite as they should be.

4. They might really just be a sour little person who is just rude and not the polite type as you, I and many others are.

Think about: you are in a shoe store, You ask for a black shoe ok? and the seller, of the shoe store, brings to you a white shoe... You ignore him? or you say no thank you I didn't ask for this?

I kindly tell him that I wanted a "Black" shoe, so can you please go back and get me a black one. I also tell him that if he comes back out with another "White" shoe then my current shoe that I am wearing is going to have an introduction to his back side! LOL

 

[ramkumaritrvs]

i never made any sale from domains wanted section. i never made reply other than requirements / wanted area

i stopped to visit wanted section now. Lot of troll happening like @Abdullah Abdullah said. people who are all lazy to find the keyword, they just start thread and took similar domain names. JMO.

Very few genuine buyers out there. I only submit my domains to the people that i dealed before.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

For practical reasons, it is very time-consuming to answer to everyone when you receive many dozens of proposals (because buyers are more rare than sellers), and for my tastes it is also pointess and time-wasting. I do not expect an answer neither when I am a seller, nor when I am a bargaining buyer. Especially when that buyer / seller states clearly "if I do not answer - then I am not interested". When I am the seller, I am trying to answer to proporals that were exactly what I asked for, if I have time. But, being sent the domains that you did not ask for is a burden, time wasting and disrespect to the buyer. If that warrants an answer, that answer would not be very civil and kind. When I am a seller, I tend to include a time limit for my offers, so that I do not need to wait for an answer. "These prices are vaild for 5 days" or something like that.

You said it is time consuming... I get it.... but dont the buyer OPEN and read All the PMs they get? If the answer to that question is YES, the why does it take time to say ....NO..Not interested. or even Just NO. It is not justifiable to actually say it takes time. I worked as an HR officer and I was obliged to check each and every CV I received so it is not big deal. \

 

[Nerevar]

It's a point @Nerevar but as I told you... But imagine the scene that I describe about shoe store. You ask for a Nike tennis white and pink, and the seller brings white and black, you ignore him? Or when you ask for a food at restaurant, and other many examples. I believe in one thing... Say no thank you doesn't kill anyone...

Hmm, not really. Imagine you are in a restaurant and you say 'bring me a tomato soup please and nothing else, I have $30 bucks to spend". Immidiately you are surrounded by 20 waiters who scream "here, take my fish soup, only $500", "take my pastry", "look in this menu", and so no. My head is dizzy and I walk away, looking for a more quiet restaurant.

 

[Dineshkp]

We are having here a lot of repeated opinions and examples and ...

@sellers we are only looking at what we want, a reply from the buyer, be it a positive YES (You have struck gold my friend) or NO (Better luck next time mate!). Why hasn't anybody proposed a solution that will be beneficial for both parties. By beneficial I mean time saving for the buyers and time/anxiety-saving fro the sellers.

The simple argument is buyers don't reply with that 2 letter NO. Do you know it takes at the least 2 seconds to type NO and another 2-5 seconds to click the send button and get your page reloaded back for you to move on to your next message. Considering this 1 minute for every 10 "NO" messages. You can do the math for how many ever samples you want.

So here is my solution: Have an Yes/No Quick reply buttons added to the PM. If an user makes use of this button, then the an automatic reply is sent to the recipient based on the button clicked and the page auto-magically loads the next un-read PM. This way it would take 1-2 seconds for the entire process. The 1-2 seconds is the same or lesser time a buyer would take to come back to his inbox from a message and go the next un-read message.

This is my opinion, you can add your suggestion and make this idea better, valuable and implementable or say it not even worth the typing-time and thrash it


EDIT: changed 1 minute for every 10 "NO" messages from every 20 "NO"
messages. (I am bad at math... lol :P)

 

[S-B]

I only respond to a few people when I receive messages. If you've taken 10 seconds to bang out a message, gave me domains I didn't ask for, or linked me to a list of 5k domains... you certainly shouldn't expect a message back.

 

[Asfas1000]

I agree with you but we also need to consider that not everyone is doing this full time. Maybe they are too busy with other stuff.

This is simply not true. Answering "No thanks" takes 5 seconds.

I have stopped sending domains to buyers who won't respond.

 

[-EM-]

At last the buyer should reply to the sellers who offer domains based on the buyer's requests.

 

[james haw]

Some of these "wanted" threads can span weeks and months, so at what point are sellers supposed to presume "no reply = not interested"? The buyer might intend to reply to the seller depending on their time, or even an outcome of another sale/purchase. So without a reply, sellers cannot know this and don't know whether to hold on or move on.

Neither buyers nor sellers are more precious than the other. Without sellers there'd be nothing to buy and so no buyers, and vice versa. But sellers spend a minute or two of their time reading the criteria, clicking on "start conversation", writing their title and body PM out, and confirming in the thread (sometimes it only takes 20-30 seconds) - whereas the buyer replying "no thanks" while reading the PM is always only a few seconds.

even when the seller send a PM with wrong domains, why not say "No I don't want your domains, thank you" ?

I disagree with this. If someone sends something very wrong then I don't think they deserve a reply. Sure mistakes happen, in which case no harm done without a reply.

But when someone (eg) asks for "3L.com ONLY" and they receive PMs for "4L.com" then I don't think there needs to be a reply. It was a chance, and no reply means "you know your domain was not in my criteria, I haven't replied to your cheeky attempt, off you pop".

you are in a shoe store and ask for a black shoe and the seller of the shoe store brings to you a white shoe

This is different as in a shop we are in each others presence and either party is awaiting some response.

But I do agree that "no response" to signify "I'm not interested" is not fair. How long does the seller wait to acknowledge the silence is "not interested"? Perhaps the seller sells to someone else the next day, and the first buyer comes back with "yes". This is why communication is required, so both buyer and seller know where they stand and good business can be achieved.

 

[Dineshkp]

We can overcome that easily by having those buttons display only for those sellers sending response to domain requests.

How?
You may already be familiar with the auctions, information, security, etc tags attached to threads. The same can be implemented for PMs. By selecting the appropriate tag we can have the buttons hidden/displayed in the buyer's inbox.

And @Abdullah Abdullah , how often do you accidentally click any buttons while sending messages? :p

 

[KDN]

Ok I agree with you, but even when the seller send a PM with wrong domains, why not say "No I don't want your domains, thank you" ?
I always respect and send exactly the domains, or I ask before to sent if they don't meet the criteria.

I think say "no thank you" show respect.

Think about: you are in a shoe store, You ask for a black shoe ok? and the seller, of the shoe store, brings to you a white shoe... You ignore him? or you say no thank you I didn't ask for this?

I agree with you but we also need to consider that not everyone is doing this full time. Maybe they are too busy with other stuff.

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

We are having here a lot of repeated opinions and examples and ...

@sellers we are only looking at what we want, a reply from the buyer, be it a positive YES (You have struck gold my friend) or NO (Better luck next time mate!). Why hasn't anybody proposed a solution that will be beneficial for both parties. By beneficial I mean time saving for the buyers and time/anxiety-saving fro the sellers.

The simple argument is buyers don't reply with that 2 letter NO. Do you know it takes at the least 2 seconds to type NO and another 2-5 seconds to click the send button and get your page reloaded back for you to move on to your next message. Considering this 1 minute for every 10 "NO" messages. You can do the math for how many ever samples you want.

So here is my solution: Have an Yes/No Quick reply buttons added to the PM. If an user makes use of this button, then the an automatic reply is sent to the recipient based on the button clicked and the page auto-magically loads the next un-read PM. This way it would take 1-2 seconds for the entire process. The 1-2 seconds is the same or lesser time a buyer would take to come back to his inbox from a message and go the next un-read message.

This is my opinion, you can add your suggestion and make this idea better, valuable and implementable or say it not even worth the typing-time and thrash it


EDIT: changed 1 minute for every 10 "NO" messages from every 20 "NO"
messages. (I am bad at math... lol :P)

Great suggestion except that it will have problems. What if it is a normal conversation that doesnt talk about domains or sales? And I accidently click No. That would be awkward lol

 

[Abdullah Abdullah]

Well very often. I most of the time use my Note3 which is becoming small lol. Still though, that is a good idea

 

[Dineshkp]

Lol... guess the yes/no button should most likely not be placed near the send button in any case then

 

[NameOmnia]

I think say "no thank you" show respect.

Even if a seller send you domains that dont meet the criteria, as a buyer, you STILL should show some sort of respect and seriousness.

Absolutely no. I don't have time to waste for those who do not even take the time to read what's required.

But, being sent the domains that you did not ask for is a burden, time wasting and disrespect to the buyer

+1


People here ask buyers to show respect by answering ALL messages...isn't disrespectful of sellers to send any sort of crap that does not meet buyers' requirements? YES IT IS.

I do not post often in the WTB section but when I do I am extremely specific with what I want and yet I get any sort of stuff that is everything but what I have asked. 80-90% of PMs are junk. Is that respect?

Sure everyone can make mistakes and misunderstand a request and I am sure I made mistakes too but there is a limit.

Do I get offended and upset when a buyer does not reply to one of my PMs? No I don't. I move on and sell my names to someone else. We are both buyers and sellers therefore should understand both sides of the negotiation process. It is just that simple, really.

 

[james haw]

here is my solution: Have an Yes/No Quick reply buttons added to the PM. If an user makes use of this button, then the an automatic reply is sent to the recipient based on the button clicked and the page auto-magically loads the next un-read PM. This way it would take 1-2 seconds for the entire process.

It's a good idea.
Although it's not much faster than a quick PM, so I wonder how many buyers who currently don't bother to reply will also not click the button (especially with many PMs)? hmm, maybe at least some will.

Also, not sure how the forum could determine if the PM is from a sales enquiry, or do we have "yes/no" on all PMs?
(Well, just "no", as "yes" is pointless as they'd be writing a PM anyway )


Expanding on your idea, I would think a full function would be better:

In "Wanted" forum threads, a seller can click a button which invokes a popup dialogue with two options, each with a checkbox and a textarea:

1. Reply to Thread: Tick checkbox to reply to thread, and write message in the box (ie "PM sent")
   
2. Send PM: Tick checkbox to send PM to buyer, and write message in the box (ie "my domain and price..")
   
3. Submit - does whatever was selected in 1 & 2

Users can then

1. PM only
2. PM and reply
3. Reply only (if they just want to post their domain/price in the thread)

As this is a specific function, it can have an identifier so PMs can distinguish normal PMs from sales enquiries, and so only sales related will then have the "No thanks" button, and other PMs won't have it.

Additionally, might be good for us to be able to choose what the "No thanks" message is. So can be edited and set in profile options "I'm not interested in your domain name(s) thanks". A personalised message may push more users to use it, as it's their words and reply rather than a "system" one

 

[james haw]

EXACTLY.
Isn't everyone here sharing opinions? Mine is that yours is a fake problem.

But your opinion is "I don't care if I don't get a PM reply", and that's fine, but it's inaccurate to state "it's a fake problem", it's just "not a problem to you". The problem exists, defined by the users in the very thread you are discussing it in

Interestingly enough those who make an issue out of this are members who joined recently; maybe they are not used to "how things go" in the forum yet and they will.

Being new has nothing to do with personal preference. Of course they can "get used to" the way it is and not receiving replies, but really, more time on the forum does not mean you come to like it!

BTW I am one of those who does her best to reply to all people who sell appropriate names

That's great, so you agree with me then, surely? Why would you be against sellers trying to ask buyers to do something which you yourself already do?

but I am also one of those who reports the hell out of those who don't.

Good stuff. Will keep people at bay and threads and comms to a professional level. I would welcome more buyers to do this as I see a lot of offers not even close to the criteria, so sellers get penalised.
Should buyers be penalised instead when they report something which was not covered by their criteria? Or is there no risk for buyers here and only sellers can be "punished"? We're all "domainers".

 

[james haw]

unless many more stand up I am afraid it won't be considered much of a problem at a forum level.

No-one has said it's a forum level problem, it's personal preference, which has been my tone all along. We're just discussing it and putting forward possible solutions to benefit all concerned.

Ask Eric.

But, given your very strong views on this, I asked you, not Eric.

I also put myself in both positions ( buyer and seller ) and I understand both parties and reasons.

Someone who believes others shouldn't have a problem just because they don't is not really being unprejudiced.

We can go on forever, however. I see your opinion is you don't think we should care about not receiving PMs and the forum won't currently care either. I have no issue with your opinion, other than I disagree with it

 

[Salai Domains]

I wrote this thread to find a better way to communication, to make better deals, to create a little more interaction between domainers.

I believe that, I believe that when someone answer to you, saying No or saying yes show respect, show that you treat him as a person. Even when I receive some domains that doesn't meet the criteria. Why not to creta a relation a friendship,

I have 3 friends here, 2 of this friends I don't made any transaction, and we talk and discuss everyday. My other friend is the guy that bought a lot domains from me.

So I believe that "No, thank you" makes difference.

Just my opinion. And I show respect to everyone that disagree with this

 

[james haw]

there is no problem to be solved; not on a bigger scale at least.

Well, now you have changed it from "no problem exists" to "not on a bigger scale at least" I can agree that is possibly true.

at the end I am not the one experiencing problems and so is 99.9% of the members.

"99.9%" is entirely fabricated and without any stats, you may be right, but we do not know. I could state 40% agree with the thread, 10% agree, it's just guesses and pointless, and again based on your own personal status.

No worries, we'll agree to disagree

 

[Dineshkp]

You have said something meaningful which is generic and would be helpful tips to newbies.

This has turned out to be a debate. It was supposed to be a suggestion/improvement thread :/