sales $6006.13 X2 for "white hat hacker" that "owned" Google.com

[Mr. Deleted]

As I pointed out before, he never owned it, and in fact, while M$ actually dropped a domain they used for email, this domain was never dropped, and people would have noticed at any time that a name like Google would be offline. And you can't register a domain that is a live website. And not to mention, the site was in fact where he was on to allegedly register it. You can't go on domains.google.com and register google.com.

With the Microsoft name, no one, except some users that could not access their free email, knew there was a problem to begin with, but if Google.com was dropping, or near dropping, Google would hear about it in the news.

Oh. and the 6006.13 is supposed to spell Google. Cute for advertising purposes.

Sources:
http://9to5google.com/2016/01/29/google-paid-how-much-domain-back/
http://www.owler.com/iaApp/article/56ac3c23e4b0dd10f933c0c4.htm

 

[brindle123]

And you can't register a domain that is a live website

But you can sell a domain that is an active website!
You can sell and active website!

Google cheaped out by only giving him $6006.13
Yes they donated some money that they can write off, but not until he donated some money first.

They should have given him $600613 or at least the charity.
$6006.13 seems really cheap for such a HUGE mistake. The legal fees would be much more than that.

If he bought it through them even for 1 second, then the onus is on google to honor that sale.

How stupid of them of all people/companies to make a mistake like that.

If I sell something, I can't go back and take it from the person I sold it to.

I would have been a pain in their butt!

Then they would have to use the domain 600613.com if they could get it. They think it's funny...I don't.
They would probably go after the domain owner of 600613.com for TM issues.

Are you saying he didn't OWN it just because they took it back after 1 minute? Business doesn't work like that!

 

[Mr. Deleted]

He never owned it. It showed in his account as if he did, but it just must not have connected correctly to Registry to show that it was actually not available. Yes, they had a glitch in the system, but Google.com was never, not even for a second actually in his account. They did not sell it to him, or register it for him, it just showed in the account as the Registry connection had shown it as available.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

Note: Google does not even have Google.com registered at it's own registrar. It is registered at MARKMONITOR INC., where it keeps all of it's corporate domains. So even if it was appearing on the domains.google.com website, it was never actually registered there. In order for that to happen, they would have had to drop it, which would have taken down the domains.google.com website, or transfer the name to that service, which requires an EPP code. Both are not possible in this case.

http://whois.domaintools.com/google.com

 

[brindle123]

I know there is probably room for google to back out of the sale in any contract they had for any sales.

$6000 is beyond great for a $12 investment. Just think it could have cost them more even though they have a team of lawyers on their side.

I would have liked them to donate more than $6k to the charity when some poor guy did it. It's not my money so I have no real say in the matter. Other than this post

They get more than $6k in marketing on this mistake. Even though they don't need to market google.com

The $6k they can write off for the charity.

When I read it, it came off as cheap with the $.13 at the end. Would be nice if the guy got something even after the $6k, if he is that much of a stand-up guy to donate it in the first place.

Google should have given him another $6k to keep for himself. Again not my money to say.

That would still be less than $20k for something that could have been soooo much bigger.
I would love to read the fine print on the sale/mistake.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

The guy donated the first 6006.13, and then they gave another 6006.13 to him. The 12K they paid out to him was cheap publicity, no doubt, but the domain was never actually his.

 

[brindle123]

it was never actually registered there

Not sure if it matters where it was registered. If I can sell a domain on their website to you, then they could have sold it to him on there...accident or not. Just by looking at the site right now it looks like that can happen.
You can reg an new domain or buy a Premium in their Aftermarket.

Aftermarket premium domains - These are domains offered for resale by owners for a premium price.

The domain doesn't need to be dropped to be sold on the site. I might look into the "TERMS of SERVICE" to see if there is anything in there that would hold them legally responsible. Not that I would try to go after google. I'm just curious like that.

You can sell a domain that you have a current active website on. As soon as it goes into someones account and they change the controls (namesrevers) and it will stop the website. Someone smarter than me can correct me if I'm wrong about any of this, but it looks it could have sold on there just by taking a quick look.

Very interesting. Please post if you find any more info.(I'm sure you will...me too)

Thanks for bring all this up!!

 

[Mr. Deleted]

You are not getting it, it was never his. It was just a registry error. Like me going to name.com and registering name.com, or godaddy.com and registering godaddy.com. It had nothing to do with a "sale".

Most of the time when you search a name, it comes back if it is taken, and this must just have been a glitch, that came back "available", when in fact that was not the case.

Years ago I kept trying to register AC.org after it was dropped and reserved, and it kept saying it was available, but I could not get it.

 

[brindle123]

The article said he "owned the domain for one minute before Google realized the mistake and cancelled the purchase."

"When Google found out, they matched his gift, bringing the donation to $12,012.26."

So google got their domain back for $12,012.26 They didn't give him another $6k, they gave it to charity!

CHEAP for a mistake of this magnitude.

I still think there is more to this case. Is there an official statement from google?

 

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And this BS is up again....

 

[Mr. Deleted]

So in total, $12,012.26 was given to Sanmay Ved, doubling Google’s initial $6,006.13 offer. Google reportedly decided to increase the amount of money it planned to reward Ved after the hacker revealed his intentions to donate the money to a foundation called ‘The Art of Living India,’ an organization that helps bring education to impoverished regions of India.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

The article said he "owned the domain for one minute before Google realized the mistake and cancelled the purchase."

"When Google found out, they matched his gift, bringing the donation to $12,012.26."

So google got their domain back for $12,012.26 They didn't give him another $6k, they gave it to charity!

CHEAP for a mistake of this magnitude.

I still think there is more to this case. Is there an official statement from google?

I highly doubt that there was an actually thinking going on here. People keep making it sound like he owned it, but reality check, he COULD NOT have owned it. And if it took a "minute" to realize it, it was a computer that did so, after checking with the registry, and removed it from the account. Not sure why you still believe the fake story. He did not own it, and never will.

 

[djum]

Few days ago there was story at DomenForum where one guy bought PC.com.

Unfortunately, he'll be waiting 30 days just to get his money back
Registrars can you this loophole as a free credit source and loan your money for free.

 

[brindle123]

I highly doubt that there was an actually thinking going on here. People keep making it sound like he owned it, but reality check, he COULD NOT have owned it. And if it took a "minute" to realize it, it was a computer that did so, after checking with the registry, and removed it from the account. Not sure why you still believe the fake story. He did not own it, and never will.

The article said he owned it. I'm just quoting them.

Try reading it. You didn't catch the amount of money that Google paid him and the charity so maybe you missed the part about him owning it. Or just read what you wanted.

Unless there is another article or an official statement from google, come up with some more facts besides just saying "he COULD NOT have owned it".
Why is that, because you say so?
Because it is the Almighty google?

How about google not sell domains! Specially their own domain (glitch or no glitch).
They sold their domain on their own website!! How about holding them somewhat responsible or liable for their own actions.
Maybe I should just agree with everything that you say on here, because you started the thread you must be right.
I'll pass on that agreement.

You "Liked" the post that said "And this BS is up again...." Boy that's a helpful and thoughtful post chuck full of info.

Not sure why you still believe the fake story.

Then why did you start a thread about a FAKE story???

I can ask the same question about you?

I highly doubt that there was an actually thinking going on here.

Get me some facts please.

 

[bigbagofbricks]

He didn't own it. Just the same as if a registry made a mistake and let me briefly own your domain. They weren't even the registrar for the domain and hadn't let it expire. You think they should give away $600k for absolutely no reason?


Stop thinking the world revolves around domains by the way. It wasn't a huge mistake. A huge mistake would have been forgetting to renew it.

 

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It is a big BS story for people who have no idea about domaining. Just read about the domain cycle and try to think.
He didn't owned the domain Google.com.
It isn't even Google's mistake.
The mistake here was from the buyer's side. How would you be so dumb and register a huge global trade mark?
It is all a BS story to attract some attention, that's all.

The article said he owned it. I'm just quoting them.

Try reading it. You didn't catch the amount of money that Google paid him and the charity so maybe you missed the part about him owning it. Or just read what you wanted.

Unless there is another article or an official statement from google, come up with some more facts besides just saying "he COULD NOT have owned it".
Why is that, because you say so?
Because it is the Almighty google?

How about google not sell domains! Specially their own domain (glitch or no glitch).
They sold their domain on their own website!! How about holding them somewhat responsible or liable for their own actions.
Maybe I should just agree with everything that you say on here, because you started the thread you must be right.
I'll pass on that agreement.

You "Liked" the post that said "And this BS is up again...." Boy that's a helpful and thoughtful post chuck full of info.



Then why did you start a thread about a FAKE story???

I can ask the same question about you?


Get me some facts please.

 

[Mr. Deleted]

Then why did you start a thread about a FAKE story???

Maybe because the guy got all excited and posted it on social media, and google decided to take advantage of the publicity by donating to some charity. It was all done for Public Relations. It was a PR move. And I am not the only one that says he never owned it, and I have pointed out multiple reasons why he could not have owned it.

It was, however, a smart move to donate 12K to a charity to make themselves look good in the media. But, if you understood how domains worked, and their lifecycle, you would have come to the same conclusion as I and a few others did.

https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/gtld-lifecycle-2012-02-25-en

 

[Acroplex]

Old news

 

[brindle123]

I didn't know it was an old story, sorry for beating a dead horse. But I like to beat dead horses.

Trying to tell me how domains work is a mute point. Your diagram of how domains work is pointless. It has nothing to do with the sale of a domain. A domain can be bought or sold by someone at almost any point during the domain life cycle process. If the domain is in your account and hasn't expired then you can sell it. You might not be able to transfer it, but you can sell it. If you don't know that, then you don't know how domains work!

I'm not sure how googles domain sales website works, but it sounds like they can push it to an account instantly after being sold or he wouldn't have had any access to it. He said he could complete the checkout process. He had access to the webmaster controls for a minute.

If he paid for the domain on their site and was charged for the domain, then he has legal rights like everyone else, no matter how stupid of a mistake it was to list and sell the domain in the first place by google.

If I sell you a domain name on here, and you paid me for it, you have legal rights!!! Period.
It doesn't have to be transferred to you for you to have legal rights to that domain name. A court would say you now own it regardless if it was ever transferred to you.

If he didn't own the domain for even one second, why would google pay him a reward or anything at all?
Yes they looked stupid for selling it in the first place so they did the PR stunt to make themselves look better.

Now if you are a TM owner then you can get it back after a CD or court ruling.
Yes it is a TM domain but that is a different issue that he would lose. Yes I know plenty of TM law so don't try to school me on TM issues or how a domain works.

It is a big BS story for people who have no idea about domaining. Just read about the domain cycle and try to think.
He didn't owned the domain Google.com.
It isn't even Google's mistake.
The mistake here was from the buyer's side. How would you be so dumb and register a huge global trade mark?
It is all a BS story to attract some attention, that's all.

You don't know the difference between a sale and the domain cycle. We're not talking about it dropping or being expired.

Yes it is googles fault. They have a website that sells domains. Their domain came up on their website and their website sold it. How is it this guys fault? To think he could keep it is a completely different story.

I don't think google needs to start a BS story to attract attention. I think we've all heard of google.
They do need to cover up their mistake by paying this guy more than the $12 he paid. They have to make the story funny by the play on numerics and give to charity so they don't look like aholes.

He didn't own it. Just the same as if a registry made a mistake and let me briefly own your domain. They weren't even the registrar for the domain and hadn't let it expire. You think they should give away $600k for absolutely no reason?

Stop thinking the world revolves around domains by the way. It wasn't a huge mistake. A huge mistake would have been forgetting to renew it.

$600613 looks better than $6006.13 if they want to be funny about it. There is no (.) in Goog.le
$600k is nothing to a multi billion $ company that made the mistake of selling their own domain on their own website.

At least give that much to charity if they want to look better in the public eye. Google giving $12k to charity is really a joke.

Show me a legal agreement on how a sale works vs the life cycle of a domain. Google doesn't have to be the registrar or registry to sell the domain. I'm not a either and I can sell a domain.

If someone accidentally sells my domain without me listing it for sale is different than me having a website that I sell domains on it, and accidentally listing, selling, and accepting payment for said domain.

Do I need to beat this horse some more? Let me know. If you do, at least sound like you know what you are talking about.

 

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@brindle123, I don't know if you are using the so called "logic" while writing these posts.
First of all, domains.google.com offers domain registration service, they don't sell domains.
So, visiting the site domains.google.com and trying to register the domain google.com is silly. Claiming to even register it is stupid. The glitch of "available" domain appearance happens a lot. Google probably payed for the reason that guy noticed/reported a glitch, otherwise it is a pure fake story.