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I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
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+1 internets for you sir. :tu:
So Labrocca i am glad to hear your list is profitable for you. Do you think that all .mobi names have negligible value or do you think there are some generic word mobis that may be more valuable in the long run than many of your sub-generic names?
For a domain investor/speculator (in any extension) it doesn't take many sales from that part of your holdings to cover the annual reg fees - IF you have a number of usable generics and good LLLs and then get a few decent sales. You can wait out a market downturn or bide time while you develop some of the names as planned. And keep selling along the way as needed.
So here's a real example,
One $1500 sale pays for 150 renewals
One $2500 sale pays for 250 renewals
One $5000 sale pays for 500 renewals
Before you summarily dismiss the numbers above, they are actual examples of some personal end-user .mobi name sales this year - a couple of the above were reported on Sedo and the other was a private sale.
What "failure rate is so high"? What rate? What is a "failure rate"? Are you making a term up? Show us all the math. Show us all the names. Do you think your math applies to everyone?
Why aren't ALL the .mobi names on the market selling? Several reasons.
My view is that domainers who have experienced and/or see the potential in .mobi have likely had their fill from all their original regs/purchases in 2006-2008 plus a nice second helping of good names acquired during the first major drop cycle that occurred in 2008/2009.
Let's put things in real perspective. Add up how many names drop every single day from domainers giving up names in ALL extensions.
Add up ALL those dropped name DOLLARS going forward. To have comparable situations you can not use the artificially high drop rates from the peak months of the recent initial .mobi drop cycle and compare drops of other extensions during that time period. So let's add up the DOLLARS going forward.
In the aftermarket sadly, actual losses are happening even with good .COM names in big chunks. Your "documented domain losses" thread at another forum you know well shows this. For those who have paid big $$$$ for names in ANY extension, if they sold off at a loss it IS a loss. If they hold onto those names with a plan it is a paper loss. Yes, that even applies to .coms.
So IMHO, the anti-mobi-save-the-domainers-evangelists should focus their efforts where it will have the most material impact - saving the 1000s of new and average domainers who are regging TM names, typos, brandables, and chasing LLLLLLs and CVVVVCVCVCVCVs buyouts just because they are Com/Net/Org. But, if that's someone's thing - have at it.
Big .com domainers hold out for better prices and are praised for doing so when their record sales are reported and then discussed to death on domainer forums and blogs. Non-CNO domain holders are held to a different standard by some.
Alternative extension sales obviously happen on a much smaller scale (frequency and price point), but there are similarities. It baffles me why domainers can't acknowledge success of others who choose to include not-yet-mainstream products (names) on a smaller scale.
Investments require the same patience and planning whether they are part of a ten million dollar portfolio or a thousand dollar portfolio. If you run an upscale business in Manhattan there is no reason to look down your nose at someone who runs a similar but more modest business in the new suburbs. Suburbs grow. Opportunities exist.
If domain holders have a game plan, with a plan B and maybe a even a plan C & D in the wings - and they hold usable-in-the-real-world-keyword names in a new or "alternative" extension, then there is a good possibility that they can make their investment be successful. (But God-forbid they "develop" any names along the way to deviate from being "pure domainers"... some people just don't think that's right ... )
You're stating the obvious but not adding that it doesn't have to do well.
On my websites I have had nothing but increasing revenue. Do you park?
btw acc...do you have a portfolio list? I am curious to see what you hold.
You can go have a laugh at my dwinndling portfolio here:
Domain for Sale
It's now filled with forum names as it's my development specialty and I have sold off a good deal of my good keyword names. Not an A-list portfolio but I still get end-user sales.
Personally I haven't seen anythign to suggest developed sites with PPC ads on them are doing any better than park pages (ie revenue heavily down). I kind of wonder about pure ecommerce sites as well, there is a reason why ad rates are falling, it isn't just quality issues, especially in recent months.
Acc - Still waiting to see a portfolio list. I am very curious to see your overall investments..
My adsense/adbrite revenue is up (better CPM) and my sedo parking payouts are down. I am just one person so it may not reflect the market but most of the complaining I see are with parking PPC.
For me when something I am doing isn't giving me a return I ditch it and focus on the things that are bringing in the revenue.
I wonder how many mobi domainers are diverse enough to actually get out of the mobi market. Some seems so heavily invested they may have no choice but to stick with it.
Would you be prepared to do the same as you ask of ACC?
You are correct to point out a differentiation between parking revenues generated on websites and PPC from just parking. Your ongoing developments and organic link building ripens your websites nicely and can increase traffic to bring in more revenue in many forms compared to static parked pages. Although people/companies do very well with all kinds of domain use models. I was originally referring to fallen parking revenue because that is my own experience. I mostly park names while for sale or in hold mode. Starting to make minisites and other sites are in the works.On my websites I have had nothing but increasing revenue. Do you park?
btw acc...do you have a portfolio list? I am curious to see what you hold.
You can go have a laugh at my dwinndling portfolio here:
Domain for Sale
It's now filled with forum names as it's my development specialty and I have sold off a good deal of my good keyword names. Not an A-list portfolio but I still get end-user sales.
Each name has an idea for it when I reg or buy them. But yes, everyone looks at their portfolios and let some go if ideas/motivations change.Thanks Acc for posting a few. What's your total number of holdings in mobi?
You have some good names in there...the geo's of course.
Can I ask how these do for parking revenue?
A24. LakeErie
A25. LakeMichigan
A26. LakeSuperior
A27. LakeOntario
Hoping you at least make reg fee from them. It's names like that imho are good indicators of traffic/revenue for mobi.
Do you ever look at your portfolio now and shake your head with some of the registrations? Do you think "that's not mobile appropriate"?
I know in a previous thread that you said you don't personally surf much on a hand held. Others do. And I think accessing the internet from ones mobile will become as common as doing at a desktop/laptop is today. That's what got and keeps me (and I think many others) very optimistic about .mobi's chances going forward.
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Jesse - Here is a small sample of some of my mobis. Maybe not my best...
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Meanwhile you may wish to go buy one of these to improve your mobile experience-
YouTube - HTC Hero - First Look
Take a look at usage in Japan and extrapolate across the globe, that is what we are looking at.
That's very cool. It's Android based which is the G1 OS. The video is nearly 5 minutes and only 13 seconds are devoted to browsing. Most if it is the applications including Twitter. I really believe most mobile devices will be application based more than "surfing" pages. Also all pages the HTC showed were regular sites nothing mobi or mobile compliant.
Japan is rarely a trend setter otherwise cucumber soda would be huge.
Cucumber Soda Anyone? - CBS News
For the most part the Japanese are much more into their technology and gadgets than the rest of the world.
While I will say that mobile internet usage will continue to rise I don't see how this will greatly increase the mobi values. We already see a backward trend now sinced mobile usage is increasing and mobi is decreasing in value. How do you explain that? And don't discuss the economy. The fact is that growing sectors are on the rise such as energy.
Japan has always been a peculiar market. But tell me how popular .mobi is in Japan. Since mobile usage is so prevalent there it could reasonably be expected that .mobi would blossom in a more favorable environment.Regarding Japan and the mobile web, they have been far ahead of us for the last decade in usage. They still are, contactless payments using your phone is a standard practice over there, as is spending your whole day staring at your phone.
Japan has always been a peculiar market. But tell me how popular .mobi is in Japan. Since mobile usage is so prevalent there it could reasonably be expected that .mobi would blossom in a more favorable environment.
Is that the case ?
On the face of it I understand why people talk about how large corporations use their domains, but I think a far better barometer would be to look at SMEs, or even internet-based startups. Those groups are where you find the ideas and innovation of the future, not the crusty old corporations whose management layers have nothing better to do than come up with new initiatives to try and win promotions. An even better community to look at would be web developers, who are often the real decision makers - what will they advise clients with specifications for mobile usability?
"mtld needs to target the startup guys. The startup guys will be generating a buzz around their new sites and .mobi can be along for the ride. I think a great strategy would be to sponsor one of the many startup conferences. These events get a lot of coverage on social media and these are the people who will probably initiate the breakout mobi sites. Time to act mtld."
:bingo: This has been the argument all along, mtld not being active enough to better promote .mobi
mtld needs to target the startup guys.
Just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it isn't happening.
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I haven't seen it, i am looking. I read plenty of blog sites related to tech startups, social media, mobile trends and technology, everyday, I rarely see mobi in the headline.
I understand what you're saying, I'm referring to mTLD being receptive to start-ups, no one really knows how receptive or not they are unless you are a start-up who approaches them or if as a start-up you've been approached by them. A lot goes on hidden from public view in any private company, mTLD is no exception.