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I visited here every day.But seems no more news here.
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
.mobi dead or .mobi on NP dead ?
You are wrong, look at post# 183
But we can all agree with you if you want.
See you in the future
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Kate - Points taken but I'm very curious though why you do you apply the same microscope and doubt to .us as to .mobi. RE: it is nice to see your recent purchase of a real world term LLL.US.Guess what, some of the companies you quoted have .jobs domains too. Actually there are quite a few large companies that own their .jobs.
That doesn't make .jobs a well-known, high-profile extension.
I would be willing to accept your points, but in the end it all boils down to critical mass. Until it is embraced on a large scale by end users, it will remain a fringe extension.
It's not just a question of time. Extensions like .biz have been around for years and they are as worthless as they were at birth. Ditto for the obscure ccTLDs with no local market.
What does post 183 have to do with what I just said? (a list of several companies using .mobi).
So all of these blogs writing about CNO-only preference "domainers" now moving from parking to developing their minisites are working on Failing Extensions too?snoop said:Claiming you are a developer has got a heck of alot more common (especially in failing extensions) because it is plain to see that their is pretty much no money in alot of areas of domaining right now.
Most of us are sitting on names waiting for buyers and in domainer language "development" usually means setting up some garbage quality template site, adding some content on a topic you known nothing about (you only set up the site because you own the domain, right?), and sticking alot of adsense ads on it. Outside of the domain industry very few would see that as development.
There's a rational statement. :lol:I would rather invest in Beenie Babies.
Many nice .mobi generics in private hands. Some nice developments in progress. Not as much as most people would like to see but a step in the right direction.Most of the exceptional names are held by mTLD. I see that as a problem for the extension don't you? Even what's released at sunrise how many have $xx,xxx value? I personally don't see any $xx,xxx mobi sales happening anytime soon.
Wrong again - See jmcc's posts - he has a better handle on the numbers and .mobi has stabilized and is climbing again.Well it's not as bad as 3-4 months ago but it's still losing numbers. Click the link I posted.
Probably because you don't have any nice ones to sell.Mobi fans continue to herald the coming of every major corp using mobi but I see little to indicate corps are willing to pay serious money to acquire mobi domains.
So now "expert" domainers dictate HOW LONG .mobi names should be held. And if we develop any of them then we have to leave the "domainer" clubhouse?Are mobi domainers unaware they are INVESTING into mobi to make money or are they simply happy to "collect" mobi names for some cool factor amongst their friends? Next thing you know Mobi is going to make collector cards for it's fan base. Domaining is about investing in domains to turn a profit. If you develop sites to make money...I got news for you. You're out of the domainer category for the most part.
So we should collectively cancel all plans for our generic mobis and run off to buy CNOs because many of you "experts" don't like .mobi or can't understand time frames past flipping or parking CNOs?If you believe that then hold your domains. I don't believe it for one second. Neither do many others. And most bad investments take time to realize it too. There really isn't a big point here from you. It's another comparison of mobi to com which borders on the absurd.
You know better than that. .mobi has and is a different animal. Built in marketing for a mobile market.Yup...mobi hasn't reinvented the wheel here. It's just made a twist on it. For the most part mTLD is just another extension like info, biz, or name. I would much rather own some good biz domains right now.
Psst ... sold a couple LLL.mobis to end users on Sedo for $5,xxx. Not today but within last 12 months. Can I now join the "real domainer" club even though I still hold other .mobi names? I rarely mention my sales publicly but these were reported and it just gets ridiculous to see the nonsense bashing of .mobi by those who don't hold any/many without replying. If one can't experience something first hand then they can't REALLY know what they are talking about.Psst...just sold a LLL.biz today for $600.
So all of these blogs writing about CNO-only preference "domainers" now moving from parking to developing their minisites are working on Failing Extensions too?
Who the hell CARES what you or me or any others refer to as "domaining". But as I'm sure you really like to hear other's opinions .... Domaining to me is when one buys/sells/uses multiple domain names for whatever purpose they choose aside for showcasing or marketing their MAIN business.
As has already been said many .mobi speculators are now banking on development, that is because the reason why they registered those domains in the first place has not worked out, they can't resell for a profit and there is no traffic. I'm fairly sure what the next thing to not work out will be....it starts with a "d".
Sorry, I was being facetious. Of course com/net/org are not "failing extensions". When people and businesses decide to actually use a domain name in ANY extension and it continues to build over time it is a success. If the registry stays in business and makes money it is a successful business.No, I don't see any signs that com/net/org is failing.
I think the reason for that move is because their domains were probably never traffic domains in the first place, or at least very marginal. I do think the /com/net/org people moving to minisites from parking are mainly making the same mistake though. Parking doesn't work for them so they move to another idea that really doesn't work well either. Development is something that works, but not over dozens or hundreds of domains, it doesn't scale.
So no-one is capable of handling both "domaining" and "webmastering"? No person, no partnership, no company?The point is that "domaining" and "webmastering" are entirely different skillsets.
As has already been said many .mobi speculators are now banking on development, that is because the reason why they registered those domains in the first place has not worked out, they can't resell for a profit and there is no traffic. I'm fairly sure what the next thing to not work out will be....it starts with a "d".
I am not exactly sure of what the strict interpretation of 'domaining' is, its probably quite vague, I would say it is something like- making financial benefit from domain names.
I think you will find with many mobi investors, especially the ones with solid generics, there is the realization that due to the quality of names owned, there is a genuine opportunity to develop a substantial business.
If you look at the subcategories on this site, you will see development, monetization and marketing related topics, hence we on this forum have differing motivations.
snoop said:Most of us are sitting on names waiting for buyers and in domainer language "development" usually means setting up some garbage quality template site, adding some content on a topic you known nothing about (you only set up the site because you own the domain, right?), and sticking alot of adsense ads on it. Outside of the domain industry very few would see that as development.
I would be willing to accept your points, but in the end it all boils down to critical mass. Until it is embraced on a large scale by end users, it will remain a fringe extension.
I say .mobi has an additional complexity in that it relates to a medium that mostly does not exist as yet.
But then some people are using the current price and usage as if this is its already a done deal.
Its definitely not a question of time. There has to be a need.
This probably also needs to be done before the gTLDs kick off and the world has TLD overload.
They are using .mobi, and not using .net or .org.
acc said:Probably because you don't have any nice ones to sell.
Jesse - You have often touted how you develop and live off of revenues from websites you've built. Does that mean that you are not a domainer now - and just playing one on TV?
Does the admin here at NP know you faked your application for Modship at this "domaining-only" forum.
So we should collectively cancel all plans for our generic mobis and run off to buy CNOs because many of you "experts" don't like .mobi or can't understand time frames past flipping or parking CNOs?
snoop said:As has already been said many .mobi speculators are now banking on development, that is because the reason why they registered those domains in the first place has not worked out, they can't resell for a profit and there is no traffic. I'm fairly sure what the next thing to not work out will be....it starts with a "d".
When people and businesses decide to actually use a domain name in ANY extension and it continues to build over time it is a success. If the registry stays in business and makes money it is a successful business.
I'm sure that the "experts" and those who hang on their every word are not pleased with the unfortunate losses many "domainers" have taken (IF they sold) or that they are experiencing on the millions of dollars worth of .com domains that they bought from 2006-2008. Bought based on 5-8 years of PPC stats, etc. You know, the way all the "experts" valued domains.
Who said that .mobi domains would be high traffic domains ASAP. Can't you see and admit that the buildout of the mobile web is JUST starting. Somehow that small fact can not be grasped by those who continue to proclaim that .mobi is finished. What a bunch of uninformed hooey.
All I hear you say is what doesn't work ... PPC parking not working, minisites won't work, etc. What is the snoop's real life prescription for those domainers who hold dozens or hundreds of domains ... com/net/org/mobi/etc? Are you holding out with a secret formula that we should all know about?
So no-one is capable of handling both "domaining" and "webmastering"? No person, no partnership, no company?
How could you or anyone else possibly know what my or other .mobi investors' or speculators' plans are for profiting from our .mobi name holdings, short-term, mid-term or long-term??
How could you somehow know and state for a fact that we can't sell at a profit .... now, next month, next year, ever ... none of our names, some of our names?
Is there an official time limit that "true domaining" domainers should sell names by? Within one month, within one year, within five years? Should time limit that pertain to all of our names, some of our names, some extensions, all extensions?
Finally, many people of all levels of experience have in the past and in all likelihood will continue to in the future register subpar and downright awful domain names in EVERY extension. In new extensions and in old established extensions. Just look at the JUNK that gets dropped every day in ALL extensions.
Far more money will be lost and wasted by domainers dropping com/net/org names in a month or two than on .mobi names in a whole year. Now that the natural initial junk dump phase is completed .mobi will grow more organically and eventually mimic the movement of com/net/org.
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snoop;'Hooray said:More like "Hooray, the squatters, TM infringers, and ppc schemers are don't want them!" Basically, the pond-scum in this business don't want the names.
also am enjoying the new "recovering-jerk" labrocca.. still very much a smartass but i like that and i think he would take this as a compliment.
i am enjoying this thread.
and from a pure play domaining perspective i find myself agreeing with snoop much much more often than disagreeing. if we're talking about the "here and now" a lot of his points are dead on.
also am enjoying the new "recovering-jerk" labrocca.. still very much a smartass but i like that and i think he would take this as a compliment.
and from a pure play domaining perspective i find myself agreeing with snoop much much more often than disagreeing. if we're talking about the "here and now" a lot of his points are dead on.
Raising the profile doesn't mean the value will significantly increase. Yes it would go up some but I believe relative to CNO it wouldn't be much. What would raise the value substantially? Another round of hype. However I have never seen a 2 round hype of any market. People can be fooled once into believing something is "it" but that time has passed. I would rather invest in Beenie Babies.
Most of the exceptional names are held by mTLD. I see that as a problem for the extension don't you? Even what's released at sunrise how many have $xx,xxx value? I personally don't see any $xx,xxx mobi sales happening anytime soon.
My point was (as I thought it fit with the rest of that rebuttel about being a "pure domainer" as snoop is trying to say we all should be. According to his logic, .mobi does not hold value as a PPC magnet yet any talk of developing .mobi domains as an alternative to selling makes one a failure, makes the extension a failure in his eyes.
Guys, those of us who believe in the potential to be successful with .mobi domains will resell, develop, or do whatever OUR OWN business models allow.
Reg money is being thrown at ALL extensions, (including mostly at the fully annointed .com/.net/.org no matter how useless many of those names are). And of course I know that those extensions are larger hence more money will be spent and lost on them.
An extraordinary amount of negativity has been and continues to be directed at .mobi. The microscopes of those with no skin in the game have been for some reason pointed more often and more passionately at .mobi.
They do NOT apply the same standards to .mobi as other "acceptable" established extensions.
They do not give credence, acknowledgement, or even the benefit of the doubt to those who choose to pursue .mobi "domaining" and/or developing.
A nice portfolio of generic .mobi domains has and can have the same potential to generate a nice return on investment compared to any other recently available domains in the same price range in othert extensions.
It comes down to foresight, not hindsight
It's ironic that in the past one of your main arguments against .mobi was that no one knows about it, but now you're saying that even if .mobi is a household word and is developed and promoted by even well known companies that it still has little effect on the value of the extension.
I have no problem with mTLD holding Premium names, would they be better off in the hands of a domain speculator parking them with Sedo?
Which perspectives do you find most accurate? An awful lot (or maybe a lot of awful:]) has been said.
In general though I agree it's been a good thread, the mud slinging has been kept to a minimum from both sides of the fence.
I knew I was going to be called out on that one. But as time passes my views mature. I think mobi is past the point that it can be a strong domain investment. I am however seeing the light on mobi development potential. While I won't say it's a must-have it's certainly used enough that if you do have a mobile site using mobi might be your best option. But isn't that the entire intent of mobi? And again..that's sort of my point. They have achieved their goal. Want a mobile website...then get a mobi! Yet valuations stink for domainers. When mobi was released I didn't have a cell phone with internet usage. Since Xmas I have had a G1 (love it) so I am now a mobile net user. It's slightly changed my view on mobi. Mobile compliant sites can be great but unfortunately my cell is used more for apps. I have played with Blackberry's and iphones and they have the same APPS style too. The internet isn't used the same way. People don't "browse" on cell phones. Heck it's very rare I type a URL at all into my phone. Normally it's off search. Eventually searches will draw mobile content only or the cells will deal with full sites in their own manner. The mobi mission imho is achieved. It's as successful as it will get imho.
What about giving them to appropriate companies? The premiums have been discussed plenty. For the most part it seems many agree that something should be done with them and mTLD holding them forever is a waste.
Sales of .mobi names can and do pay for renewals of other names held in a person's domain portfolio. (Of course the better the quality names, the better the risk-reward ratio.) Why can't .mobi fit in the puview of "successful domaining" too?
But investing in and the development of .mobi names is as valid a path of domaining as any other.
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Where are these success stories?
Given the failure rate is so high, how can it be concluded it is just as valid a path as other areas of domaining. It comes back to the same old question, who is making money from these domains? If there is money in it why have the domainers that were buying stopped buying? ie prices are down 90%-100%. At the end of the day the values in aftermarket are the best guide you'll ever get as to how well domainers are doing with an extension.
The state of ANY market (real or percieved) today will be different in the future.
Continued falling of PPC revenues and lower selling/flipping prices for CNOs means less "free money" to flow into other domaining sectors.
You're stating the obvious but not adding that it doesn't have to do well.
On my websites I have had nothing but increasing revenue. Do you park?
btw acc...do you have a portfolio list? I am curious to see what you hold.
You can go have a laugh at my dwinndling portfolio here:
Domain for Sale
It's now filled with forum names as it's my development specialty and I have sold off a good deal of my good keyword names. Not an A-list portfolio but I still get end-user sales.
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+1 internets for you sir. :tu: