whats up with this estibot being the place to go thing
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whats up with this estibot being the place to go thing
do these guys get paid by estibot or something?
I mean everyone on np knows estibot is not the place to go. whats up
Hopefully I don't come off to sound malicious here — I thank you for paying the tab at the pub and if I ever make it out to Seattle again for a conference, I got you back during happy hour — but, name three experienced domain name investors (other than yourself and paid advertisers as there is bias here) that use Estibot for decision-making.Experienced domain name investors use the tool to discover:
The problem with this statement is that the data is out of date. Who in this business would ever base their decision on data that's out of date? I certainly wouldn't.The underlying critical data that shows domain name value, like exact match search volume, cost-per-click of advertising for the exact match search phrase, what other domain extensions are registered, and whether it has type-in traffic.
I thank you for paying the tab at the pub and if I ever make it out to Seattle again for a conference, I got you back during happy hour
I know that they're a paid advertiser, and, you need to back them up as part of your moral contract with them by doing so in public or they'd probably pull their paid advertising contract.
The problem with this statement is that the data is out of date.
Who in this business would ever base their decision on data that's out of date?
Case in point, engine.com; let's take a look at the underlying critical data for that (apart from the valuation that's not even arguably junk unto itself). As Keyword Planner has been updated, the 300K exact match may be correct as I am seeing 100K-1M on my side. However, I'm also seeing that the suggested bid is $0.83 and not $1.56 as shown by Estibot. This number is very important when it comes to some investors (particularly those that choose to park and develop) so using the source (e.g. Keyword Planner) to retrieve this information is much better to make a business decision on.
Experienced domain investors use real analytical tools and, well, mainly, their experience to valuate domains. Not Estibot.
you are purposefully misleading readers now. If the CPC is $1.50 on Google and $0.80 on Bing, they shouldn't use a "good enough" number. They are explicitly stating that the number is from Google, and, I provided you a clear example: engine.com.
Also, in my opinion, we are not that exact to begin with -- so $0.83 CPC at Google versus $1.14 at Estibot (which may be biased by Bing, Yahoo, etc. other search engines who are charging more) close enough for my use.
One can only assume the CPC is collected from Google, as the average searches displayed in the exact same table are.Show me your data. Where on Estibot.com does it say that the CPC they display is from Google?
One can only assume the CPC is collected from Google, as the average searches displayed in the exact same table are.
If a domainer is wanting to enter development or parking, an inaccurate CPC can be costly. This number, when accurate, determines a rough estimate of monthly earnings.
Esitbot is a good indicator but not always.
Blindly trusting Esitbot is the equivalent of automatically trusting banks. Many use it, most don't understand it, but you can't trust it 100% of the time.
Most likely not. Again, an assumption. But the algorithm behind Estibot is based upon their aggregated data. If that data is ambiguous, or proprietary to Estibot, nobody should take it for its word, never use it, and only rely on sources where the real data lies.Estibot support, I'm sure they'll clarify it for you.
How many of the Sherpas are on the pay roll or affiliated in any way with Estibot?I believe all Sherpas would agree with that statement as well.
Sorry, that was a low blow.Not to attack your credibility or anything, let me remind everyone, Adam Dicker was a Sherpa as well...
What I meant by that, sometimes people we come along, or in this case, money received can cloud judgement.
Those are your exact words when advertising Estibot.com in your videos.DomainSherpa said:First, if you’re buying or selling a domain name or portfolio and you want an estimate of it’s value, Estibot.com is the place to go. Just like you’d visit Zillow.com to get an estimate of a house value, Estibot.com provides key information about the most important statistics so you can make an informed decision based on data.
Completely agree. Though, instead of just taking action and taking his videos down, you should have voiced yourself about the situation instead of remaining quiet. In this case, words do speak louder than actions. This is the first time you have ever voiced your opinion, as far as I'm aware, about Adam Dicker. I commend you for that. Really.There were many people in the industry who were tricked by Adam Dicker. Frank Schilling extended credit to Adam Dicker at his registrar, and then had to go public on Twitter to get paid. Many individuals unfortunately lost their investment or money to him when they paid him in advance of services rendered and then he failed to deliver.
I don't have much against Andrew Rosener, but, I can honestly say that @Domain Shane's opinion is highly discredited with me for various reasons, e.g., stances he has on things around the industry that I disagree with.No hard feelings, but I think I've described why I think Estibot has value. If you spent time to watch the video that I linked-to above, you will also understand why Andrew Rosener and Shane Cultra find value from Estibot.
It's the blind leading the blind. If you honestly believe Estibot is the right tool, then so be it, use it, and be blinded by the fact that it has inaccurate data everywhere.
Unfortunately. And, because it's pedalled so hard by people that are looked highly upon by new investors in this industry (@DomainSherpa and @Domain Shane [from what Michael stated]), it's likely to remain that way for a long time.Estibot is still around?
The underlying critical data that shows domain name value, like exact match search volume, cost-per-click of advertising for the exact match search phrase, what other domain extensions are registered, and whether it has type-in traffic.
Funny that you mention that because the "type-in" traffic Michael refers to domains having is derived from Overture data. See below for my example provided to him ofAs relevant as Yahoo's overture tool.
engine.com
:To educate you, @DomainSherpa and everyone else, nothing can tell you whether a domain name has type-in traffic. Even GoDaddy's "traffic" next to auctions is their best guess based upon a proprietary algorithm that they have (most likely unique visitors over the period of when they have the "renew this domain" page up times 12 divided by some fancy number to arrive at a figure that's "good enough" to display). I know Verisign has a good tool that analyzed DNS traffic, but even it isn't good enough to rely on solely for the purpose of calculating estimated earnings.Type-in Score:
Overture (domain): 280
Overture (sld): 75,229
Overture (keyword): 75,229
Word Tracker (keyword): 1,223
And I owe you two beers.
Pretty much off topic completely. My restaurant and bar etiquette would call for picking up the entire tab as you said whether we originally ate or drank at a hole in the wall bar to me repaying the favor at let's say, Red Lobster (that is a fancy restaurant in Japan, but I've since come to learn that may be a poor example as it's not so classy in America...).Completely off topic, but 2 beers huh? Were you implying that Michael bought you 2 beers so that's why you owe him only two beers? Pretty nice of Michael to pick the tab up.
Proper etiquette would be for you to get the next tab, regardless of the amount (of course within reason, not hundreds of dollars).
My apologize if I misunderstood your comment, but 2 beers sounded pretty specific and you made the comment after Michael said you can get the next tab.
PS: I'm such a nice guy, I think I even PayPal'd Shane some extra money (as I only had cards on me at the time) to restock the Grey Goose that I drank out of his hotel's mini fridge. I think it was like $9 for the Goose and $9 for the orange juice. Having said this, I later come find out how cheap Shane is. He replaced it with store bought OJ and liquor store bought Goose, saving him like $15 bucks.
Pretty much off topic completely. My restaurant and bar etiquette would call for picking up the entire tab as you said whether we originally ate or drank at a hole in the wall bar to me repaying the favor at let's say, Red Lobster (that is a fancy restaurant in Japan, but I've since come to learn that may be a poor example as it's not so classy in America...).
Hope you get my drift.
I was just reminding him of the time that he bought me two beers at a microbrewery. So, hopefully, he remembers the two that he bought before, as he did recommend them, so that if we go back to the same place I can start where I left off and try the other brews.
Of course, much like the first time, trying to pick up the tab in secrecy. But, @DomainSherpa and I are very much alike. He conveniently "went to the bathroom" (usually my trick as well) and picked up the tab on the way back. I was in preparation to pay for @Shane Bellone and his girlfriend, as well as Michael and myself, had it not already been done before I "had to use the bathroom".
PS: I'm such a nice guy, I think I even PayPal'd Shane some extra money (as I only had cards on me at the time) to restock the Grey Goose that I drank out of his hotel's mini fridge. I think it was like $9 for the Goose and $9 for the orange juice. Having said this, I later come find out how cheap Shane is. He replaced it with store bought OJ and liquor store bought Goose, saving him like $15 bucks.
Good times with good people that day.
I have nothing against Michael. Capitalism rules.
First, if you’re buying or selling a domain name or portfolio and you want an estimate of it’s value, Estibot.com is the place to go. Just like you’d visit Zillow.com to get an estimate of a house value, Estibot.com provides key information about the most important statistics so you can make an informed decision based on data.
Well, if we take a look at @DomainSherpa's tutorial on how to use Estibot, we'll see this:How can you advertise Zillow.com as a place to get an accurate estimate of house value? Tell me any three professional home buyers that use Zillow for that purpose.... and I'll buy a beer if I'm in Bainbridge but only if it's properly rated by RateBeer.com where I go to get an estimate of its quality.
*Sigh*
So, in essence, making an informed decision based upon an estimate that is proportionally incorrect, is still an informed decision, whether that be using Zillow.com or Estibot.com.The Estibot value is $110 for DomainSherpa.com. While I paid $500 for the domain name back in 2010, it’s on the same order of magnitude. $100 is pretty much the same as $500. Again, this is a brandable domain name so I’d not use Estibot for an appraisal, but even still it’s correct on an order of magnitude.
$500 and $100 are pretty close
And, you actually got a naive investor to follow blindly with that.DomainSherpa said:If there was a discrepancy, I would guess that Google might update their data more frequently than Estibot, but I do not know for sure. In this case, the difference between 260 and 172 is negligible. If you noticed one data source saying 5,000 and another saying 500, that would be a case to spend some time to investigate further.
I can finally confirm now from the tutorial:So Estibot references 2007 Yahoo Overture Tool? Can someone confirm cause that sounds way off.
For those that aren’t familiar with search engine history, GoTo.com was a search engine that launched in 1998, went public in 1999, and changed it name to Overture in 2001. In 2003, Overture bought two other search engines named AllTheWeb.com and Alta Vista before being acquired by Yahoo. So while Overture doesn’t exist any more, a lot of domain name investors still love that data and Estibot has it saved from 10 plus years ago.