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3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun :)

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You skipped the question and tried asking another. You also reported a post in this thread, you snowflake.

Yes, you can get more bullets off with an AR-15. And no, they're not using shotguns as the primary weapon in these mass shootings. Maybe, you can educate the mass shooters and let them know they're doing it wrong.
 
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You skipped the question and tried asking another. You also reported a post in this thread, you snowflake.

1) I didn't skip anything.

2) You forged a quote using my handle. I don't tend to get mad but lying about me / slander will do it.

3) Bullets per minute? You mean rate of fire? That's not what you said... you said fly faster because you heard it someplace.
 
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1) I didn't skip anything.

2) You forged a quote using my handle. I don't tend to get mad but lying about me / slander will do it.
1) I didn't skip anything.

2) You forged a quote using my handle. I don't tend to get mad but lying about me / slander will do it.

3) Bullets per minute? You mean rate of fire? That's not what you said... you said fly faster because you heard it someplace.

You did skip.

You are a little baby. That was a joke.

I explained what I meant, and if you want to get technical about it, it's also true. You can simply look it up, ballistics, feet per second. Shotgun vs. AR-15. An NRA supporter doesn't know this?

But, I meant getting off more bullets per minute. Either way, I'm right.

And you did skip this:

"If you have 2 people, one with an AR-15, one with a shotgun. Who can get more bullets off in a minute?"
 
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You did skip.

You are a little baby. That was a joke.

I explained what I meant, and if you want to get technical about it, it's also true. You can simply look it up, ballistics, feet per second. Shotgun vs. AR-15.

But, I meant getting off more bullets per minute. Either way, I'm right.

1) If it was a joke, you should have said so when I posted my complaint to you.

2) an AR-15 can shoot faster. But the context of the question was restricting AR-15's wouldn't stop mass shootings.

3) Your wrong about everything.
 
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1) If it was a joke, you should have said so when I posted my complaint to you.

2) an AR-15 can shoot faster. But the context of the question was restricting AR-15's wouldn't stop mass shootings.

3) Your wrong about everything.

2 doesn't match up with 3. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

And spend some time reading about ballistics, I'm right on that as well.
 
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You did skip.

You are a little baby. That was a joke.

I explained what I meant, and if you want to get technical about it, it's also true. You can simply look it up, ballistics, feet per second. Shotgun vs. AR-15. An NRA supporter doesn't know this?

But, I meant getting off more bullets per minute. Either way, I'm right.

And you did skip this:

"If you have 2 people, one with an AR-15, one with a shotgun. Who can get more bullets off in a minute?"

It's really funny you think the speed of a bullet would matter in this situation.
 
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It's really funny you think the speed of a bullet would matter in this situation.

I explained what I meant, bullets per minute. But you thought it was something else. Then I pointed out, I'm right on that as well.
 
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2 doesn't match up with 3. Thanks for admitting I'm right.

And spend some time reading about ballistics, I'm right on that as well.

You're a loon. If AR-15's are so great at close range.. Why do people who hunt at close range use shotguns?
 
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You're a loon. If AR-15's are so great at close range.. Why do people who hunt at close range use shotguns?

Quote where I said anything about close range? They're good for killing a mass amount of people. That's why they're used. You struggle with the obvious.
 
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I explained what I meant, bullets per minute. But you thought it was something else. Then I pointed out, I'm right on that as well.

It's funny because you don't know what you're talking about. Shit-bird sociopath dressed up like a military person b/c he thought that what killers do.

He wouldn't last 60 second in fire-fight with an experienced shooter using a hand-gun.
 
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Quote where I said anything about close range? They're good for killing a mass amount of people. That's why they're used. You struggle with the obvious.

Quote the original context of the question. It wasn't about which gun had a higher rate of fire, it was about the inanity of trying to restrict purchase of an AR-15.

You're the person who keeps bringing up faster guns.
 
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It's funny because you don't know what you're talking about. sh*t-bird sociopath dressed up like a military person b/c he thought that what killers do.

He wouldn't last 60 second in fire-fight with an experienced shooter using a hand-gun.

Serious question. Do you have some diagnosed by a doctor medical condition? If so, just let me know and I will keep that in mind with my replies. Because you quote stuff and then respond to something entirely different. You quote me talking about bullets per minute, then respond with how the shooter was dressed.

Do you even have a clue to what you're debating? Seriously. AR-15's are used because they are easy to get and can kill a lot of people. They are the #1 choice in mass shootings.

But JB, fist fights kill people. You actually posted that.
 
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Serious question. Do you have some diagnosed by a doctor medical condition? If so, just let me know and I will keep that in mind with my replies. Because you quote stuff and then respond to something entirely different. You quote me talking about bullets per minute, then respond with how the shooter was dressed.

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Do you even have a clue to what you're debating? Seriously. AR-15's are used because they are easy to get and can kill a lot of people. They are the #1 choice in mass shootings.

But JB, fist fights kill people. You actually posted that.

Right.. when you can't win with facts, use insults.
 
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Maybe they might start importing these.

 
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the A-10, has the highest speed I know of.
 
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Sometimes, I actually feel bad for you:

"But compared to the same week last year, Fox News was -18 percent in prime time viewers, and -14 percent in total day viewers."

Are you aware of this thing called the Olympics?

mr-x Has Another Embarrassing Post

So your crowing b/c Fox was only down 18% compared to CNN's 28%?

What was it called? Hate Fatigue?
 
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A little light reading for JB this weekend, so he can educate himself a little better.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/476409/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-weapon-types-used/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/02/14/ar-15-mass-shootings/339519002/

Just one quote form the AR-15 article.
Dean Hazen, owner of The Gun Experts in Mahomet, "Ill., and a master firearms instructor, said the reason mass shooters are turning to the AR-15 is due to a copy-cat" mentality more than any feature of the rifle.

"It’s really just a perception thing," Hazen said. "There are rifles that are more powerful and more dangerous than that, but they're not being used."
 
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I used to work in info security.
You know how you guarantee a computer system can’t be hacked?
Take it off the network, lock it in an unbreachable container and destroy the key.
True story.

One of the key principles of Infosec is that there’s no such thing as “foolproof” security. Implementation of security protocols isn’t about absolute prevention, it’s about assessing vulnerabilities and minimizing risk.

Same applies to school shootings. Is it feasible or even possible to guarantee it won’t happen again, or that these people won’t just try another means? No, but how can we minimize risk?

Arming teachers is asinine.
  • Even if they are a pretty good shot on a range, do they have what it takes mentally to perform well in a crisis? Will they be trained in simulated active shooter situations? Can they jump mentally from teaching geometry immediately into first responder mode with no preparation? Will they freeze? Or panic and shoot the wrong person? Could they bring themselves to shoot someone who may have been their own student? In parkland we had presumably trained responders couldn’t bring themselves to go into the building...
  • Kids who do this are on a suicide mission to begin with. Knowing teachers are packing won’t deter them.
  • And what about the everyday risks? One or two bigger students jump a teacher, take the gun? Teacher with anger management issues?
  • Overall Increased risk, not reduced risk.

Raising the legal age to buy a gun -
  • Most states determined that kids aren’t mature enough to responsibly handle alcohol until age 21. Raising the legal age (for all or some class of firearms) should be a no brainer. “Depriving our kids of the ability to defend themselves” is bs.
  • Parkland shooter bought the gun legally. This would have made it more difficult for him to obtain a weapon = reduced risk.
Banning gun ownership for those with violence-linked mental illnesses and history of domestic abuse
  • Back when 2A was implemented by the founders, there were bans on gun ownership for citizens judged to be “untrustworthy”.
  • History of domestic abuse is a recurring theme in gun murders - individual and mass shootings. Texas church shooter for example (aside from the fact that the army dropped the ball when he was dishonorably discharged) had a history of domestic violence. His MIL (of his estranged or ex wife) was a member of the church he chose to shoot up.
  • Make it illegal = make it more difficult to obtain = reduced risk.
Owner biometrics - only the owner can shoot.
  • Interesting potential future solution.
  • Feasibility issues - Cost, difficult to implement. Wouldn’t be applicable to historic /legacy weapons
  • Would prevent kids from using a gun stolen from parents (Sandy Hook)
  • Would deter gun theft in general (though determined criminals could remove or alter)
  • Would also prevent some accidental shootings (kid gets a hold of parents gun, accidentally shoots sibling or friend)
  • Reduced risk, but implementation obstacles,

Banning or closely restricting ownership of a certain class of weapons, types of ammo, etc. (The most controversial option)
  • AR15s and the like weren’t designed to protect you from a burglar or to hunt deer - they were developed as weapons of war, intended to quickly maim or kill large numbers of people. Maximum damage, minimum effort. They seem do that very effectively.
  • Individuals are already banned or heavily restricted from owning other weapons of war (“destructive devices”) you can’t buy your own nukes, grenades are restricted and/or banned as title ii weapons, you can’t keep those damned kids off your lawn by planting land mines.
  • “People will just use other types of guns. Or knives . Or punch people. Or make their own. Or blow things up.” True. But are they as easy to do implement and are they likely to do the same amount of damage in the same amount of time, in the hands of the average person? Fertilizer purchases have been restricted since OKC - we don’t see too manny fertilizer bombs these days.
  • “We need them to protect against the government.” Fair point. But the government has drones and other weapons of war.. If they really want to go rogue and take you out, no contest.
  • “But 2A” - 2A specifically puts gun ownership in context of “a well regulated militia” that is necessary for the “security of a free state.” Originally the “free state” planned to rely on calling upon these “well regulated” groups to defend itself in an emergency. Public safety. OTOH, this it’s been interpreted by SCOTUS to apply to individuals, but we’ve gotten pretty far from the spirit of the original intent. Just sayin.
  • Would this reduce risk? Make it illegal = make it more difficult = reduced risk.

There’s a saying “You if you do what you’ve always done, you get what you’ve always gotten.”
Whatever we’re doing now isn’t working.
Lots of options to reduce risk. Pick one or three and just do it.
 
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