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Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1
 
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Chinese market is back to work again :)
 
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emails and offers are back again as well
 
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Looking at the chart on ShortNames the trend is still down for chips.
 
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This thread is like...

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Sure, however if you have more insight than a meme, would love to hear it.
 
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Sure, however if you have more insight than a meme, would love to hear it.

No offence intended. I got this thread mixed up with a similar thread that I had commented on:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/future-of-llll-com.1036111/

A little bit more insight below / context from the other threads:

Thanks for sharing this @Whizzbang



I recently tried to map out the trends for average transaction values, it may be of some use to you: https://www.namepros.com/threads/soft-sales-in-2017-anyone-else.1022744/page-3#post-6262103

I think we're going to see some of the speculative investing dry up over the next couple of years. A bunch of reasons for this:
  • Reduced capital flows from Chinese buyers (compared to 2013 to 2016)
  • Many investors moving across to crypto
  • A compounding effect of the above two will bring down liquid values, reducing the influx of new speculators.
  • An ever increasing volume of small businesses using Facebook pages / social media instead of building websites
  • Continuing decline of PPC / display ad revenue.
The market won't implode but it will shift back towards domains that actually have real end-user value... domains that businesses will actually use.
We won't see the same level of use for domains as speculative commodity-like assets (or to move money between borders), as bitcoin/altcoins have filled this void.

I know that Namebio data isn’t perfect but here’s the topdown view of the data that is available...

I took this snapshot at the H1 interval for 2017 (a couple of weeks ago), and doubled both the sales volume and revenue for a simple extrapolation of 2017. Unless Q3 and Q4 contain a heavier weighting of the overall annual transactions, it looks like:

- 2017 will be slightly down when compared to 2016 and 2015 in terms of total recorded sales.
- However, this year will be marginally above 2016 in respect to average transaction value.

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A couple of other notes:

- The average deal size of any year can be skewed by a handful of super-sized sales.
- [Long-term trend] The average sale size is shrinking (or potentially more smaller sales now reported).
- [Long-term trend] The volume of transactions is increasing (or again, just more data feeds available to Namebio). The recent rise of 'liquid' transactions is the most obvious driver of this trend.

Below, I’ve also broken down the Top 1, 5, 10, 20, 50 and 100 transactions of each year. This hasn’t been extrapolated for this year but shows the position as at close of H1 of 2017. The Top5 sales this year account for almost half of the total $ for 2017. Most years, the Top5 sales equate to between 20 to 40% of the Top100 sales. This could be bad news if it means there's compression in the rest of the ‘tail’ (sales 6 to 100) in terms of overall ($) value.


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The years 2011, 2012 and 2013 look unusual in both graphs. Either this is a fallout from the financial crisis or has been mentioned to me that its most likely to be missing sales data from one of the major marketplaces.

A potential reason for lower liquidity in 2017 could be short-term investors pushing money out of domains and into crypto. The remaining sales hopefully contain a higher proportion of ‘end-users’ and thus a higher sales price. It would also be cool to know the composition of the sales by domain type (brandable, premium one-word, liquid, etc). I've only used public facing data for the graphs above but someone with access to the full data set could answer this in more depth.

Personally, 2017 has been slower than 2016 - but the few sales that I've had, have mostly been to end-users who've paid close to or above asking price. Not statistically significant but backs up the hypothesis above.

Not an award-winning analysis but hope it's of some use to the thread.

(One last bonus graph below, couldn't help myself. Looks like 2004/2005 might be incomplete datasets?)

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Gaje.com $2700 sold on NJ.
And now I got another CVCV to my portfolio :xf.smile:
 
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Got two more CVCV today private deal.
Gehi.com
And
Refe.com :cigar:
 
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SnapNames:

ziko.com $8,500
nsng.com $1,361
sdvf.com $504
cbsv.com $276
alel.com $2,306
bequ.com $2,223
pgtg.com $1,561
 
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nvnv.com auction
$40,906 10/18/2017 Ename

This sale caught my eye....China's domain marketplace is interesting.
 
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Some interesting sales in the past days:

baig.com 4,200 USD 2017-10-20 NameJet
bosc.org 2,500 USD 2017-10-20 BuyDomains
gagz.com 2,500 USD 2017-10-20 Flippa
flyl.com 2,100 USD 2017-10-20 Flippa
edio.com 4,400 USD 2017-10-19 NameJet
spew.com 4,204 USD 2017-10-19 NameJet
pffp.com 1,500 USD 2017-10-19 NameJet
cbjt.com 1,417 USD 2017-10-19 NameJet
irao.com 1,305 USD 2017-10-19 NameJet
bagy.com 3,800 USD 2017-10-18 Flippa
 
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I'm testing the market, put up sigd.com and some others on Namejet without any reserve. Few days left until auction and only 4 bids doesn't seem too promising though.

http://www.namejet.com/Pages/Auctions/BackorderDetails.aspx?domainname=sigd.com&cat=

Namejets been a bit slow for some 4l domains recently, i had one listed on there which had 56 backorders upto $200 before auction started. Over the 3 day auction period i didnt get a single bid, lucky i had a reserve
 
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The reserve might put off some bidders. I'm also more motivated to bid on domains that have no reserve.
 
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On NJ if your 4L has :
- a reserve $501-$1000 you will probably not get any action unless its a great one.
- a reserve Under $500 you will get some action.
- No reserve definitely gets more interests unless it is a random 4L. Those are not sough after.
 
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On NJ if your 4L has :
- a reserve $501-$1000 you will probably not get any action unless its a great one.
- a reserve Under $500 you will get some action.
- No reserve definitely gets more interests unless it is a random 4L. Those are not sough after.

My reserve was only $400. So it would have said $500 or less
 
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When you set "Under $500", people instinctively think its $500.
But if its a good Western Premium or very good pronounceable, you will get bids.
If its a random 4L with a reserve, you will not get many bids.
 
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On NJ if your 4L has :
- a reserve $501-$1000 you will probably not get any action unless its a great one.
Definitely agree. I ignore those by default.
 
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When you set "Under $500", people instinctively think its $500.
But if its a good Western Premium or very good pronounceable, you will get bids.
If its a random 4L with a reserve, you will not get many bids.

I have previously failed to sell a good western premium on NJ with a $400 reserve, bids went up until $300. I have put the same domain up again to auction with no reserve. This will be an interesting test to see how far the bids will go.
 
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I have previously failed to sell a good western premium on NJ with a $400 reserve, bids went up until $300. I have put the same domain up again to auction with no reserve. This will be an interesting test to see how far the bids will go.

I sold/bought a lot of Western on NJ and they are unpredictable.

You will always reach $300. I think the user "BrandProtection" always at least bid up to that price on Western Premium.

To reach higher value, you will need one of the other like "Taryn" to like your domain otherwise it will stay around $300.

I would not suggest selling a western premium without a reserve. Especially with the 15% commission. The risk is very high that it will sell for $300 (only $255 for you). You would have no problem selling it here on NP for a better return.

One domain you did not sell for $400 could easily reach that level when republished a month or two later. Be patient.
 
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I sold/bought a lot of Western on NJ and they are unpredictable.

You will always reach $300. I think the user "BrandProtection" always at least bid up to that price on Western Premium.

To reach higher value, you will need one of the other like "Taryn" to like your domain otherwise it will stay around $300.

I would not suggest selling a western premium without a reserve. Especially with the 15% commission. The risk is very high that it will sell for $300 (only $255 for you). You would have no problem selling it here on NP for a better return.

One domain you did not sell for $400 could easily reach that level when republished a month or two later. Be patient.

I agree if you just sell one western premium. I see quite a few (see in my sig). My theory is that on average they will sell for more than if I would sell them one-by-one here on NP, because some will get additional bidders that bring it above 300. Let's see.

Few months ago I sold triple repeats on NJ for around 3k mark. This I would never get here on NP.
 
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mycd.com 5,099 USD 2017-10-22 NameJet
gmix.com 2,412 USD 2017-10-22 Sedo
wkjz.com 1,230 USD 2017-10-22 NameJet
 
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