The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

I forgot, most Democrats think they are fucking Albert Einstein too, not all, but most do , big I. Little you syndrome, they talk Aloooootttt , but do little, they incite then run away , they don’t apologize when they are a fuckup and bash people’s character @JB Lions - Jong Un , hows your sick cousin Kim???

Your nonsense again.

First, what does Kim have to do with me? It's your boy Trump that brags about getting love letters from him. I guess Trump and Putin will have to go it alone in private time.

Second, it is you that keeps bringing up protests. Whatever I post is based on what you post. In regards to filming, you said you couldn't. That's because security had to deal with you and nurses had to take your temp, even tho you didn't go there because you were sick. You went because you were bored, had nothing better to do, you said that. So stop crying about me basically repeating what you post.

'He wrote me beautiful letters and we fell in love': Donald Trump on Kim Jong-un

 

[.X.]

You state in the first quote that "the only way i see the hatred and division ending is if both party's and the people in the middle come to an agreement,"

And in the second quote you say "there is no give and take with these people". You seem to be putting all the blame on them (the left) for not budging from their viewpoint and yet you haven't shown any indication of areas that you would give ground on in an effort to meet "in the middle."

Did I miss a post where you listed some specific things or ideals that the hard right was wrong about holding on to, which they could give up or relent on in order to find a middle ground?

If it is only one side giving anything up, then it isn't a middle ground. It is a surrender.

That could happen, but for that to happen the Far Left would have to be taken care of as well, it goes both ways.

If we can’t even agree on the smallest things, like having to go to the poll and vote in person with confirmed identification, that for this election, only so there will be lip service from either side as to who actually wins the 2020 election, then I highly doubt we are going to agree on anything, that is a simple task to go to the voting booth.

 

[TestCase]

That could happen, but for that to happen the Far Left would have to be taken care of as well, it goes both ways.

You won't get any argument from me on that!

If we can’t even agree on the smallest things, like having to go to the poll and vote in person with confirmed identification, that for this election, only so there will be lip service from either side as to who actually wins the 2020 election, then I highly doubt we are going to agree on anything, that is a simple task to go to the voting booth.

As far as voting goes, I'm more afraid of the digital voting booths that many states are now using. As we know about all things digital - they can and will be eventually hacked!

With the digital booths there is no paper trail! If ever there is a concern about questionable votes/voting, there is no way of comparing the results reported by the machine vs the actual votes that were cast.

But, I'm paranoid that way...

With vote by mail, it can all be traced and verified if necessary - it would just take some time and effort.

(Ps. Got to run. May not be back on today.)

 

[.X.]

You won't get any argument from me on that!



As far as voting goes, I'm more afraid of the digital voting booths that many states are now using. As we know about all things digital - they can and will be eventually hacked!

With the digital booths there is no paper trail! If ever there is a concern about questionable votes/voting, there is no way of comparing the results reported by the machine vs the actual votes that were cast.

But, I'm paranoid that way...

With vote by mail, it can all be traced and verified if necessary - it would just take some time and effort.

(Ps. Got to run. May not be back on today.)

request paper ballots,, no one would oppose that I wouldn’t think, punch the votes in the booth. Sounds great to me

 

[.X.]

Your nonsense again.

First, what does Kim have to do with me? It's your boy Trump that brags about getting love letters from him. I guess Trump and Putin will have to go it alone in private time.

Second, it is you that keeps bringing up protests. Whatever I post is based on what you post. In regards to filming, you said you couldn't. That's because security had to deal with you and nurses had to take your temp, even tho you didn't go there because you were sick. You went because you were bored, had nothing better to do, you said that. So stop crying about me basically repeating what you post.

'He wrote me beautiful letters and we fell in love': Donald Trump on Kim Jong-un

the only thing you and i can maybe agree on is that we have something like we haven’t had since the civil war, the people have divided 50/50 , nether side is going to give, there is no sign that the division will ever change at this point .

so what if the US was divided into two countries??? let the red states be one, The blue states the other, all the illegal immigrants go to the blue states of course. Y’all won’t let us get them out, so y’all take them.

I would have no problem seeing the states break apart and two countries formed at this point, people want to get on with their lives, life is short.


I will wait for rebuttal lol

 

[JB Lions]

the only thing you and i can maybe agree on is that we have something like we haven’t had since the civil war, the people have divided 50/50 , nether side is going to give, there is no sign that the division will ever change at this point .

so what if the US was divided into two countries??? let the red states be one, The blue states the other, all the illegal immigrants go to the blue states of course. Y’all won’t let us get them out, so y’all take them.

I would have no problem seeing the states break apart and two countries formed at this point, people want to get on with their lives, life is short.


I will wait for rebuttal lol

Not sure what that reply had to do with what you just quoted.

And no, you know nothing like that will ever happen, doesn't even make sense. And things change, one election a state can go Red, another it can go blue. And the Purple Map, I think it was, shows a clearer picture. A state can go 51% Republican, 49% Democrat, so you can call it Red but it would be more accurate to say it's pretty evenly divided.

Purple Map, Purple America, you can Google more - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_America

We're like Prince, Purple.

 

[.X.]

Not sure what that reply had to do with what you just quoted.

And no, you know nothing like that will ever happen, doesn't even make sense. And things change, one election a state can go Red, another it can go blue. And the Purple Map, I think it was, shows a clearer picture. A state can go 51% Republican, 49% Democrat, so you can call it Red but it would be more accurate to say it's pretty evenly divided.

Purple Map, Purple America, you can Google more - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_America

We're like Prince, Purple.

nope, we are equally divided pretty much, it has destroyed the country because it has been going on so long, at this point, I would love for it to happen so my up and coming grand children can have a life, what we are doing is not living, we are existing. All the time our kids and grand kids are paying the price, as well as ourselves.

I would take the last 20 years, the highest number of blue or red would go that color to each state, do 50 years or whatever if you like.


This shit is miserable and the zit has a big whitehead on it right now

 

[.X.]

The Democrats in red states go live in blue states and visa versa , that would solve all that purple problem

 

[JB Lions]

The Democrats in red states go live in blue states and visa versa , that would solve all that purple problem

We'll vote out the clown in November, that will start to solve the problem. The Great Joe Biden will unite us as one. We'll reach out and touch somebody's hand and make this a better world if we can.

 

[.X.]

We'll vote out the clown in November, that will start to solve the problem. The Great Joe Biden will unite us as one. We'll reach out and touch somebody's hand and make this a better world if we can.

That won’t work , because even myself who is an independent does not trust the Democratic Party because of the Socialist they allow to put Democrat-Socialist on their name plaque. Imagine how a Republican feels about it.

I doubt I could ever trust the Democrat party again because of that, unless every person in the party left and was replaced. Again, imagine how a true Republican must feel about it.

 

[.X.]

We will never unite as a country again, the wounds are to deep now, no one can take back what has been done.

that is why we need to split up into two different countries, so people can actually live again

 

[.X.]

A Change.org is probably necessary, split the USA and make it great again, it works for South Korea and North Korea, Viet Nam as well. North America and South America , it works for me.

 

[JB Lions]

Boredom drives people nuts.

 

[.X.]

I can just see it now, um excuse me sir and ma’am, we are going need to move the Statue of Liberty out of your state, we will be done as soon as possible , thank you

 

[.X.]

Boredom drives people nuts.

I have never been more serious in my life , fuck all this shit, it is going no where and only causing people to miss out on life, this is no life we are having, and we have wasted a ton of our lives going through all this bullshit.

life is way to damn short to live like we are, miserable and bitter with each other, just separate and everyone will be happy and live life like it is supposed to be lived

even though we disagree on most everything @JB Lions , you have to admit there is good logic in that

 

[.X.]

Boredom drives people nuts.

, it can, but I have been working from home since this began, I am close to testing a project I began two years ago, Tri-Bucker pickups for electric guitars. Hand wound braided copper with super magnetic magnets, the tones and sounds are wicked , i just haven’t got them to that sweet spot I am looking for while playing on them yet

 

[lennco]

1- That people die because of lack of jobs/money.

Lack of Jobs is Not a Highly Contagious virus. Nobody ever just died because they lost their job.

2- That many jobs will not come back. Not soon enough to matter, anyway.

They said the exact same thing 10 years ago after the great rescission. And yet we came back to Full employment.

3- That millions of people don't have enough savings to last a month. Or even a week.

I agree. I wont argue with that. That is why this is not an easy time to go through this. But sometimes in life these are the decisions we have to make to survive and save the most lives.

you need to be talking to someone that is scared of the Virus, or more scared of the virus than have a depression in the USA, also someone who is scared to die, I don’t fit any of that criteria

And as I pointed out before is that if you are not scared for yourself maybe you should be scared for your love ones.

I find it very elitist when all these people say "it's only money." To them I say: then give all yours away - think how many lives you can save. That matters more than your money, right?.

I am far from ever being an elitist.
I will let you and everyone here in on a little secret. I was once homeless for a few years.

It was all due to financial hard times which I will not get into here. It had nothing to do with drugs or anything else, it was purely financial. I lost everything. Several homes, cars, several hundred thousand $$$ all went bye bye.

It can happen to anybody, I don't care if you are the richest person in the world. You can lose it all, nothing is guaranteed. Fortunes are made and lost everyday in this world.

I fought my way back financially and back to a nice life.
I know all to well that it can happen again, but I have no problem losing it all again if it meant saving the lives of my love ones from this virus. And if that's what happens then so be it.

 

[.X.]

Lack of Jobs is Not a Highly Contagious virus. Nobody ever just died because they lost their job.


They said the exact same thing 10 years ago after the great rescission. And yet we came back to Full employment.


I agree. I wont argue with that. That is why this is not an easy time to go through this. But sometimes in life these are the decisions we have to make to survive and save the most lives.


And as I pointed out before is that if you are not scared for yourself maybe you should be scared for your love ones.


I am far from ever being an elitist.
I will let you and everyone here in on a little secret. I was once homeless for a few years.

It was all due to financial hard times which I will not get into here. It had nothing to do with drugs or anything else, it was purely financial. I lost everything. Several homes, cars, several hundred thousand $$$ all went bye bye.

It can happen to anybody, I don't care if you are the richest person in the world. You can lose it all, nothing is guaranteed. Fortunes are made and lost everyday in this world.

I fought my way back financially and back to a nice life.
I know all to well that it can happen again, but I have no problem losing it all again if it meant saving the lives of my love ones from this virus. And if that's what happens then so be it.

In the beginning of getting the total shit scared out of us, about two weeks into the coronavirus, my family and myself made a commitment to not let the virus ruin our lives, so far so good, we are doing the social distancing thing, wearing a mask supplied by the stores we enter, washing hands constantly and all that , but not afraid of getting the virus or die from it. By the way they talk, there is no running from it long term, so

 

[JB Lions]

, it can, but I have been working from home since this began, I am close to testing a project I began two years ago, Tri-Bucker pickups for electric guitars. Hand wound braided copper with super magnetic magnets, the tones and sounds are wicked , i just haven’t got them to that sweet spot I am looking for while playing on them yet

Yeah, I have no idea what people here do for a living, so it might affect people differently. My income is all online for the last 18 years, right now about 95% domaining, 5% affiliate marketing. So, I'm used to being home, first year was an adjustment, but really not much of a change since this happened. I do get groceries delivered a bit more, mostly from Amazon Fresh. But that's pretty much it. I did go out and get some groceries last week, didn't not wear or even own a mask. A county next to us, you have to.

So if you were used to going into work everyday and because of this you can't, it's a change.

 

[Domainace]

Lack of Jobs is Not a Highly Contagious virus. Nobody ever just died because they lost their job.

Millions have. Poverty is one of the most common causes of early death.

They said the exact same thing 10 years ago after the great rescission. And yet we came back to Full employment.

Good luck with that. 2008/9 was a foreshock that was papered over with funny money for the rich, allowing the problem to fester and grow for 11 years.

That is why this is not an easy time to go through this. But sometimes in life these are the decisions we have to make to survive and save the most lives.

Yes, and a good decision considers the outcomes of both courses of action. Consider what you mean by "not an easy time."

I fought my way back financially and back to a nice life.
I know all to well that it can happen again, but I have no problem losing it all again if it meant saving the lives of my love ones from this virus. And if that's what happens then so be it.

That's an impressive story, so I am surprised you underestimate the effects of poverty. Or maybe what you are underestimating is the effects of poverty under a collapsing economy, while you are overestimating the benefits of lockdowns. We'll leave it at that. But please don't suggest that people who disagree with you don't care if people die. Death is death, and this virus, from what I can see, ranks among the less painful ways to die. What's awful about it is that people must die alone in quarantine - away from their family members. How would you feel about that aspect of quarantine?

As an aside, I was homeless for a month or two as well. But even with a nice Mercedes to sleep in (not mine, so I couldn't sell it), I was feeling suicidal. In prosperous nations like the US, suicide is one of the more likely ways poverty causes death. In other countries, lack of potable water and starvation can come into play.

 

[lennco]

In the beginning of getting the total shit scared out of us, about two weeks into the coronavirus, my family and myself made a commitment to not let the virus ruin our lives, so far so good, we are doing the social distancing thing, wearing a mask supplied by the stores we enter, washing hands constantly and all that , but not afraid of getting the virus or die from it. By the way they talk, there is no running from it long term, so

Then it will most likely be people like you who will spread it faster and farther then what would be if everyone stayed sheltered in place.

So if/when the numbers do spike back up I will know it was people like you who could have prevented it.

 

[JB Lions]

@mr-x what's he taking about here -

https://twitter.com/x/status/1253457503364329473

 

[lennco]

Millions have. Poverty is one of the most common causes of early death.

Good luck with that. 2008/9 was a foreshock that was papered over with funny money for the rich, allowing the problem to fester and grow for 11 years.

Yes, and a good decision considers the outcomes of both courses of action. Consider what you mean by "not an easy time."

That's an impressive story, so I am surprised you underestimate the effects of poverty. Or maybe what you are underestimating is the effects of poverty under a collapsing economy, while you are overestimating the benefits of lockdowns. We'll leave it at that. But please don't suggest that people who disagree with you don't care if people die. Death is death, and this virus, from what I can see, ranks among the less painful ways to die. What's awful about it is that people must die alone in quarantine - away from their family members. How would you feel about that aspect of quarantine?

As an aside, I was homeless for a month or two as well. But even with a nice Mercedes to sleep in (not mine, so I couldn't sell it), I was feeling suicidal. In prosperous nations like the US, suicide is one of the more likely ways poverty causes death. In other countries, lack of potable water and starvation can come into play.

What we are going through right now with the virus is small compared to what we will go through if the there is a second wave, either if we open up too early or one in the fall/winter.

This was just a Test of what we need to prepare for. For all you people who are so concerned about the economy right now then just take a minute and imagine if next time it is only twice as bad. Imagine what hospitals, business will look like then.

Now, if there is a second wave, it will not be twice as bad, it will be far worse and if we get caught with our paints down next time, well then you will see what a truly devastating economy really looks like.

We need to take our medicine now so we don't All lose everything later.

 

[.X.]

Yeah, I have no idea what people here do for a living, so it might affect people differently. My income is all online for the last 18 years, right now about 95% domaining, 5% affiliate marketing. So, I'm used to being home, first year was an adjustment, but really not much of a change since this happened. I do get groceries delivered a bit more, mostly from Amazon Fresh. But that's pretty much it. I did go out and get some groceries last week, didn't not wear or even own a mask. A county next to us, you have to.

So if you were used to going into work everyday and because of this you can't, it's a change.

I have a shop , i can go there, but can't open it for business until next weds.

 

[.X.]

Then it will most likely be people like you who will spread it faster and farther then what would be if everyone stayed sheltered in place.

So if/when the numbers do spike back up I will know it was people like you who could have prevented it.

dude that's fucking crazy, I , nor my family have not been sick at all, there was no testing available until right now, what the hell do you expect people to do if they are completely well and there is no testing thanks to our suck ass CDC???

the family and myself are getting tested tomorrow, but the results take 3 days i was told, none of us have any symptoms of anything, but i had called my doctor the other day to find out if i could be tested with no symptoms and my doctor said yes, so i made the appointment for tomorrow for all of us.