Streak of dead transactions

[polyromcom]

Not sure if this is a trend, but have had 2 DAN transactions and 1 domainagent transaction die on the vine after agreeing to price in the last month. Feels like this is odd. Not sure if it's a streak of bad luck or if hackers are looking for vulnerabilities to take domains? Anyway, thought i would mention it...

 

[NickB]

Definitely something to do with their poor platform which is not really helpful for endusers in making payments or closing domain deals. I might sound like a broken record, but I had to mention this one here

Refer: https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-buyers-payment-issues-with-dan-com.1161584/

There's no market shift as such, as being claimed by several members because all other domain name marketplaces are selling 6-7 figure worth of domain names (.COM majorly) each week and sharing/reporting their sales like a boss!

Not just that, Namepros Report Completed Sales Thread is ringing registers for most domainers as well.

Thanks for sharing the link, appreciate it.

Closing you account for raising genuine issues is disgraceful and as a company owner his responses where way out of line.

 

[Lox]

There's no market shift as such, as being claimed by several members because all other domain name marketplaces are selling 6-7 figure worth of domain names (.COM majorly) each week and sharing/reporting their sales like a boss!

You know (data, diligence) something that I don’t know or you’re guessing there’s no 5-6-7F sales @ Dan?

 

[twiki]

One thing I have definitely noticed:

After about 3 weeks with just 1 inquiry, I switched to Efty these days. Now I'm getting at least one lead each day.

In fact I got 2 good ones in hours after uploading on Efty. The offers are low, but definitely not lowball (I could accept them). Still negotiating and awaiting on them to get back. Not getting any $100 offers anymore.

I can't say whether there is a problem at @Dan or not, but to me the best option is 100% clear now. Not to mention that you can call and discuss with the client = all prospect leads have provided phone numbers, so I'm polishing my phone negotiation skills these days.

 

[Josytal]

Relating to DAN, I think It's more of technical issues than anything else.

 

[polyromcom]

Crypto payments with escrow for offers would help alot. It's very easy to escrow ethereum and conditionally (if you're offer is accepted) release the funds, or return them if not. That would prevent iffy buyers. But may only be one factor.

 

[BrandEntrance.com]

The market is shifting, and for good reason.

It's like in cars. Ordinary people would buy a Honda, but not everyone would buy a Rolls Royce.

.COMs are the Rolls Royce of domains. They are more expensive, and you can't really lower the price, it's not sane - as the supply is low. It's diamonds, why would you sell them for ruby price.

Such domains will always be in demand, but for the more upscale customers. Everyday people will buy .xyz or whatever because they DO NOT NEED .COM.

But who does NEED .coms?

Very true.

Not all successful businesses NEED a website, domain name or domain name upgrade either, there are many that just have one for info but who have too many bookings, customers and growth outside of the internet.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Change DAN captcha option from high-risky to for ALL.
+ set default minimum to at least $2XX...
I'm not sure if it helps - but for me such fake bids disappeared.

 

[twiki]

Change DAN captcha option from high-risky to for ALL.
+ set default minimum to at least $2XX...
I'm not sure if it helps - but for me such fake bids disappeared.

If that's the case, logic says they aren't fake bids, but lowballers who make offers on a whim and obviously won't ever go through with the payment. Cause a fake bid can have any amount.

I'm having an VERY interesting situation. After testing Efty, (not 100% satisfied, though a good offer) decided to go back to our custom lander and build that further. The interesting thing is that in the whole Dan -> Efty -> own landers moving saga, the lowballers followed me. The reaction is always the same, they go silent when there was time for the payment. I even google them when I can find something, and they're likely real people not bots as I can geo correlate with stats etc. Indeed, setting a 2xx price will get rid of these offers.

But what is the reason for that? Obviously a real market shift/streak thing, but can't be sure as of yet why the situation (started about 1 month ago or so).

 

[wwwweb]

I noticed dan doesn’t allow payments in crypto, might help some sales if they did.

 

[namemarket]

Has anyone else noticed if you make a counter-offer on DAN the platform immediately appears to remove the buyer offer? That means if you change your mind a few hours later, next day or whenever and try to accept the buyer offer it cannot be done because it was already removed and voided by DAN.

I do understand in a court case the buyer can win by saying the sellers counter-offer voids his original offer so from a legal viewpoint it is understandable but we are not talking about a court case here. I am sure automatically deleting buyer offers are not actually required so there's very little reason for DAN to do it,

Why not simply keep it on the table and allow the seller to revert back and late accept it? Of course, if the buyer protests saying it's no longer legally binding that if fine and understandable so we can agree to cancel with no hassle.

A lot of buyers may not be aware of legality issues or even care about it and may simply pay as originally offered. This is a major negative, imo.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Crypto is allowed on Dan...
If it doesn't work right now - this is another question and looks like temporary issue...

But from my long negotiation experience - I still didn't meet the buyer who was ready to pay in crypto...
So I don't think that it has any impact on sales.

 

[Jv1999]

Has anyone else noticed if you make a counter-offer on DAN the platform immediately appears to remove the buyer offer? That means if you change your mind a few hours later, next day or whenever and try to accept the buyer offer it cannot be done because it was already removed and voided by DAN.

I do understand in a court case the buyer can win by saying the sellers counter-offer voids his original offer so from a legal viewpoint it is understandable but we are not talking about a court case here. I am sure automatically deleting buyer offers are not actually required so there's very little reason for DAN to do it,

Why not simply keep it on the table and allow the seller to revert back and late accept it? Of course, if the buyer protests saying it's no longer legally binding that if fine and understandable so we can agree to cancel with no hassle.

A lot of buyers may not be aware of legality issues or even care about it and may simply pay as originally offered. This is a major negative, imo.

...because they want to follow the law...

you want to be able to accept a voided offer, causing DAN to send a notification to the buyer that "an agreement has been reached." That makes no sense, and would simply put DAN in a very bad legal position.

Unless you want a system change where the old offer is left on the table, and when you accept it after the buyer rejects your counter, DAN sends a notification saying: "The seller has accepted your previous offer of X, do you accept this?"

 

[Bertrell]

I noticed dan doesn’t allow payments in crypto, might help some sales if they did.

From DAN website:

 

[namemarket]

...because they want to follow the law...

you want to be able to accept a voided offer, causing DAN to send a notification to the buyer that "an agreement has been reached." That makes no sense, and would simply put DAN in a very bad legal position.

Unless you want a system change where the old offer is left on the table, and when you accept it after the buyer rejects your counter, DAN sends a notification saying: "The seller has accepted your previous offer of X, do you accept this?"

Thanks for the excellent feedback, I can see why it is cannot be done from a legal viewpoint. I should have thought about it more and gone into better detail by adding this: "The seller has changed their mind regarding the counter-offer higher price and has now agreed to accept your previous offer of $X, do you accept this? If you do, please click-here to confirm the original offer is still valid. Thank you, Dan.com

Some buyers would not agree however I believe an unknown percentage would in-fact agree with a result of less dead transactions and buyer silence, with more sales possible so why not do it?

 

[Soofi]

Apologies for the delayed response. I havent been online much lately due to offline business requirements.

Thanks for sharing the link, appreciate it.

Closing you account for raising genuine issues is disgraceful and as a company owner his responses where way out of line.

Thank you for the kind words and support.

I was a staunch and strong supporter of Dan for few years, at least in India, and had been suggesting their platform at every event I spoke or webinars/videos I had published, as I have (some) following in the Internet marketing industry in India.

But seeing the response, after I had raised a valid issue with the payment processing (at @DAN.COM ) which was directly brought up by my enduser, I think they are the worst platform ever to be used.

The DAN owner and management stooped to the level of calling me a liar and name-called or ridiculed me for doing that which is why I will never ever suggest anyone to use their useless platform.

 

[Soofi]

You know (data, diligence) something that I don’t know or you’re guessing there’s no 5-6-7F sales @ Dan?

I dont know anything about their sales report, as they're quite hideous about those things.. I am also not guessing anything to be honest, but sharing from my personal experience and the experience of other domain investors.

Am I doing something wrong?

 

[Soofi]

One thing I have definitely noticed:

After about 3 weeks with just 1 inquiry, I switched to Efty these days. Now I'm getting at least one lead each day.

In fact I got 2 good ones in hours after uploading on Efty. The offers are low, but definitely not lowball (I could accept them). Still negotiating and awaiting on them to get back. Not getting any $100 offers anymore.

I can't say whether there is a problem at @Dan or not, but to me the best option is 100% clear now. Not to mention that you can call and discuss with the client = all prospect leads have provided phone numbers, so I'm polishing my phone negotiation skills these days.

You have experienced it yourself Twiki. Good move!

More power and success to you!!

 

[Soofi]

Relating to DAN, I think It's more of technical issues than anything else.

Wish they'd understand and fix it rather than going after people who point such issues out in public.

 

[Lox]

I dont know anything about their sales report, as they're quite hideous about those things.. I am also not guessing anything to be honest, but sharing from my personal experience and the experience of other domain investors.

Am I doing something wrong?

... hurting the rest of (100k+) domainers in their ability to market and lowering their chances to sell domains ... constantly feeding your fire-horse and crushing domainers rights to choose whatever platform suits them with negative feedback (vs constructive) and spreading bad reviews online. Keep going ... no further comments from my side (my last post).

Wish you Good luck and all the Best in 2020!

Regards

 

[Soofi]

But seeing the response, after I had raised a valid issue with the payment processing (at @DAN.COM ) which was directly brought up by my enduser, I think they are the worst platform ever to be used.

The DAN owner and management stooped to the level of calling me a liar and name-called or ridiculed me for doing that which is why I will never ever suggest anyone to use their useless platform.

Guess you missed reading this Sir @Lox

Still want me to keep their issues under the sheets?

... hurting the rest of (100k+) domainers in their ability to market and lowering their chances to sell domains ... constantly feeding your fire-horse and crushing domainers rights to choose whatever platform suits them with negative feedback (vs constructive) and spreading bad reviews online. Keep going ... no further comments from my side (my last post).

Wish you Good luck and all the Best in 2020!

Regards

Wow, you dont really want me or others to point out issues we face in any domain name platforms, eh? Trying to keep it under the sheets? Related to Underdeveloped somehow, are we?

How in the world am I crushing anybody's rights by voicing my experience/opinion about a platform? You sure do know a lot more than me or others!!!

Plus, I also have every right to provide feedback about a platform, whose attitude is negative towards their customer(s).

Am I holding (any/every) domainer from using any or that particularly useless platform? Not at all, but I sure do have every right to voice my experience/opinion about any/every platform I use or have used, just the way you have every right to share your not-so-good comments about me

Wish you the Best for everything!

 

[Mister Funsky]

However, I have decided that names that are still making me money via PPC will not be pointed to Epik as the lander that comes up when a link is clicked takes the user to a 'marketplace' page rather than the ssl landers. With those names I will begin to use the Voodoo inquiry page that is available. If/when I can forward my ppc parked names to the Epik ssl landers I will switch back.

Thanks for that, sent it to the dev team for consideration. There should be a solution if you want to keep the traffic outside the marketplace listing.

I was wondering if/what has come from your suggestion to the dev team. Maybe they are not back to the grindstone after the holiday period yet and no info is available. If it is currently active or if it is still being considered, please let me/us know as I am motivated to start making changes and would rather not direct away from epik if something is coming very soon.

 

[Mister Funsky]

However, I have decided that names that are still making me money via PPC will not be pointed to Epik as the lander that comes up when a link is clicked takes the user to a 'marketplace' page rather than the ssl landers. With those names I will begin to use the Voodoo inquiry page that is available. If/when I can forward my ppc parked names to the Epik ssl landers I will switch back.

Thanks for that, sent it to the dev team for consideration. There should be a solution if you want to keep the traffic outside the marketplace listing.

I am posting all this again as, with all the activity keeping up with things here, you may have missed the alert related to my last post above.

This upcoming weekend I have set time aside to start my redirection of 'inquiry' clicks on monetized domains. A recent click for about $30 on a name (it paid out) that had made only pennies for the last couple of years has led me to consider reverting back to ppc parking.

When those inquiry links, on the ppc parked pages, are used/clicked the person doing the inquiry is led to a marketplace on epik where they have options to search for other names...not something I want to happen. Most of the major parking providers offer some type of contact page for a 'clicker' to reach me if I set it to do so. I will reluctantly have to begin using those unless the option to send that 'clickers' inquiry to the epik ssl lander where they can buy/rent/lease without having search options available.

So, please let me know if this something that is possible to do on your end (re coding, etc). If so, when may we expect it to be functional...if it is soon I will make plans to golf rather than spend hours changing to a ppc provider's contact form(s). If not, it will be a long weekend resulting in finger cramps and consumption of mass quantities of coffee.

EDIT: I corrected a misspelling

 

[DanSanchez]

I am posting all this again as, with all the activity keeping up with things here, you may have missed the alert related to my last post above.

This upcoming weekend I have set time aside to start my redirection of 'inquiry' clicks on monetized domains. A recent click for about $30 on a name (it paid out) that had made only pennies for the last couple of years has led me to consider reverting back to ppc parking.

When those inquiry links, on the ppc parked pages, are used/clicked the person doing the inquiry is lead to a marketplace on epik where they have options to search for other names...not something I want to happen. Most of the major parking providers offer some type of contact page for a 'clicker' to reach me if I set it to do so. I will reluctantly have to begin using those unless the option to send that 'clickers' inquiry to the epik ssl lander where they can buy/rent/lease without having search options available.

So, please let me know if this something that is possible to do on your end (re coding, etc). If so, when may we expect it to be functional...if it is soon I will make plans to golf rather than spend hours changing to a ppc provider's contact form(s). If not, it will be a long weekend resulting in finger cramps and consumption of mass quantities of coffee.

Thanks I definitely missed the first notification, the Devs are focusing on NameLiquidate and the Escrow/CRM backend right now. Will add that to the list of ideas we should have implemented in the near future. I also like the idea.

 

[namemarket]

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When those inquiry links, on the ppc parked pages, are used/clicked the person doing the inquiry is led to a marketplace on epik where they have options to search for other names...not something I want to happen. .....

That's for sure! I have not used Epik pages myself and never will if they are doing that.

 

[DanSanchez]

That's for sure! I have not used Epik pages myself and never will if they are doing that.

Right, most pages hosted at Epik do not use PPC and I discourage it personally. You are gifting your traffic for pennies instead of possibly finding a buyer that organically came to your domain. Also most browsers block the ads completely regardless of which parking company delivers the ads.