new gtlds .Loan and .Loans

[ThatNameGuy]

It was the sale by donuts of Home.Loans January 18, 2018 for 500K that's had Bulloney going "loan crazy"
From Refund.Loans to TaxRefund.Loans to NationalHome.Loans to JumboMortgage.Loans there's no way imho, an aggressive marketing effort with the backing of someone like a Wells Fargo or Bank Of America can't put the .loan(s) nTLD on the Domain Map. I started this thread to see who's interested in getting in on the ground floor of .loan(s) extensions. Pros and Cons welcome, but please research how HUGE this industry is before you comment. Thanks.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I don't own any G's I don't think. I've only ever considered buying Business.Loans.

I didn't focus on just the 3 that were plural. I didn't mention Properties.Loans...Instead I mentioned HouseEquity.Loans which perhaps was helpful?

If it's not helpful then I guess I shouldn't have wasted my time. I sincerely wish you all the best with your investments. Just trying to help

I just thought I would mention to you that there's another extension that fits great with the words "loan" and "loans" and that's "online", like...BusinesLoans.Online...I've bought a few of those that fit, but I've used the word "online" combined with with some of my other key business words like OnlineBuilding.loan etc.










b.loan etc.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

For the record I love new GTLDs - too much... but I focus on the names that make me money (.coms for the most part) and invest in others with "extra" funds. I have DotCom.Domains, DomainName.Help, I even have BackIn.Black.
And HAHAHA on the Good edit - I never notice changes HHAHAHAHA

Actually...I'm an EODG or an Equal Opportunity Domain Guy...I own as many .coms as gTLD and nTLD's.
I good name is a good name regardless whether it's a .com or a gTLD or a nTLD.

 

[Brands.International]

I don't own any G's I don't think. I've only ever considered buying Business.Loans.

I didn't focus on just the 3 that were plural. I didn't mention Properties.Loans...Instead I mentioned HouseEquity.Loans which perhaps was helpful?

Other names like Lien.Loans don't make much sense to me either and there is no sales data for those two keywords but I won't mention any others because I was only trying to help.

If it's not helpful then I guess I shouldn't have wasted my time. I sincerely wish you all the best with your investments. You're a nice guy and I certainly don't want to offend you in any way.

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

 

[Josh R]

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

Good man!
We are all in the same boat at the end of the day.

To make sales !

 

[ThatNameGuy]

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

Stupid question lolwarrior...what exactly is the difference between gTLD and nTLD? I started using nTLD for most of my non .com domains because most of the extensions I use are "new". I guess I'm too new to know.

 

[Joe N]

Stupid question lolwarrior...what exactly is the difference between gTLD and nTLD? I started using nTLD for most of my non .com domains because most of the extensions I use are "new". I guess I'm too new to know.

Strictly speaking, gTLD refers to any generic top level domain, which includes .com, .net, .org, and all the newer extensions. gTLDs are more-or-less available for anyone to register, regardless of industry or geographic location.

The correct term for the New Generic Top Level Domains is ngTLD. However, I think it's come to be commonly understood in this forum that whether you're saying gTLD, nTLD, or ngTLD, you're talking about the newer generic extensions. Otherwise you just say .com, .org, .info, etc.

 

[Joe N]

@lolwarrior - You're definitely one of the bigger boosters of the new extensions on NP. I'm always curious to hear the experiences and methods of those with larger ngTLD portfolios, like @Fancy.domains and @kerala. How much success have you had with the names to date? Are your sales typically derived from inbound enquiries, or from outbound marketing efforts? And if it's the latter, do you target .com owners who might be wanting for a shorter/catchier name?

 

[FolioTeam]

Having said that. I did bid 10K for Business.Loans at NamesCon.. I would consider Business.Loans up there with Home.Loans though.

I feel that only the very very best of these names have high end-user potential.

The combination has to be perfect.

I agree with you. The only time these names make sense to me is if they are really generic words like Business.loans, Auto.loans, Car.loans etc.

Investing in these new gtlds are risky enough as it is. Investing in something like wegive.loans for instance, will be increasing that risk factor further.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I agree with you. The only time these names make sense to me is if they are really generic words like Business.loans, Auto.loans, Car.loans etc.

Investing in these new gtlds are risky enough as it is. Investing in something like wegive.loans for instance, will be increasing that risk factor further.

Thanks Folio Team...I agree, but I think "generic words" are like "smart" loans or "fixed" loans. Names like, Home.Loans, Auto.Loans, Business.Loans are more "specific" than "generic" imho. Most of the .loan(s) that I own are more specific like; TaxRefund.Loans, and I personally think it has more value than just Refund.Loans that I also own. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Joe N]

Thanks Folio Team...I agree, but I think "generic words" are like "smart" loans or "fixed" loans. Names like, Home.Loans, Auto.Loans, Business.Loans are more "specific" than "generic" imho. Most of the .loan(s) that I own are more specific like; TaxRefund.Loans, and I personally think it has more value than just Refund.Loans that I also own. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I agree Rich, yours are definitely more specific in nature. I have to wonder if that will limit their value significantly? For example, when I search the term "tax refund loans" I get a ton of results, but very few of them are from businesses that deal exclusively in these types of loans. Most results are from larger financial companies that deal in many different financial instruments.

So to me, this name will be most valuable as an exact match name that can give a slight boost to a company's SEO for their site, or maybe as a lead generation page (once developed and marketed... but that doesn't affect the pure value of the name). And this probably holds the value down to under $1K, particularly since it doesn't get any traffic, and because it will need to be directly marketed to potential buyers.

I do like some of your names; however, I think it's important to keep perspective on them. EMDs have their value, but the more narrow the term, the less you can typically expect to get for them. Add in the extra challenge of selling a ngTLD to an end user, and the high renewals and lower expected sale prices, and they look less appealing.

More or less, I think it means you'll need to sell through at a 10% rate to break even (if you plan to keep the names... if not then it means selling enough in a year to recoup costs). It's a tall order, but of course I'm talking strictly about selling the names on their own merits. I know you have more of a "full package approach" to domaining that could include development, networking, and/or the creation of business ideas around each name... and that's a different animal altogether.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

I agree Rich, yours are definitely more specific in nature. I have to wonder if that will limit their value significantly? For example, when I search the term "tax refund loans" I get a ton of results, but very few of them are from businesses that deal exclusively in these types of loans. Most results are from larger financial companies that deal in many different financial instruments.

So to me, this name will be most valuable as an exact match name that can give a slight boost to a company's SEO for their site, or maybe as a lead generation page (once developed and marketed... but that doesn't affect the pure value of the name). And this probably holds the value down to under $1K, particularly since it doesn't get any traffic, and because it will need to be directly marketed to potential buyers.

I do like some of your names; however, I think it's important to keep perspective on them. EMDs have their value, but the more narrow the term, the less you can typically expect to get for them. Add in the extra challenge of selling a ngTLD to an end user, and the high renewals and lower expected sale prices, and they look less appealing.

More or less, I think it means you'll need to sell through at a 10% rate to break even (if you plan to keep the names... if not then it means selling enough in a year to recoup costs). It's a tall order, but of course I'm talking strictly about selling the names on their own merits. I know you have more of a "full package approach" to domaining that could include development, networking, and/or the creation of business ideas around each name... and that's a different animal altogether.

Joe...maybe your perspective of my domains comes from us living in two different countries. Take for example the term Refi, maybe the mortgage market in Canada isn't familiar with the term Refi, but pretty much everyone in the US who has ever owned a home is very familiar with it. Refinancing of a home is a mega Billion dollar industry in the US. Moving on to, Tax Refund Loan....you apparently aren't familiar with that term either? What I am aware of Joe is that pretty much all the major tax preparers in the US, like H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt and Liberty Tax, all make tax refund loans in anticipation of a taxpayer getting a refund from the government for taxes they overpaid. There are over 10 Million RAL's (refund anticipation loans) as they are called, made to taxpayers every year....so bottomline, they're huge. As a matter of fact, I just slipped away for a minute and bought RefundAnticipation.Loans because it's the exact match for RAL's as described even on Wiki's site for "Refund Anticipation Loans" Suggest you Google it, and read all about it.

Actually Joe...the more "specific" the name is the more valuable it should be to the end user. Take an auto dealer for example who sells hybrid cars. The domain HybridCars.com would be far better than just Hybrid.com or Cars.Com. If I were shopping for a Hybrid automobile for example, I'd be far more likely to click on HybridCars than either Cars or Hybrid by themselves. Make sense?

Joe...I do appreciate your input, but we're really not on the same country page. Thanks

 

[Joe N]

Joe...maybe your perspective of my domains comes from us living in two different countries. Take for example the term Refi, maybe the mortgage market in Canada isn't familiar with the term Refi, but pretty much everyone in the US who has ever owned a home is very familiar with it. Refinancing of a home is a mega Billion dollar industry in the US. Moving on to, Tax Refund Loan....you apparently aren't familiar with that term either? What I am aware of Joe is that pretty much all the major tax preparers in the US, like H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt and Liberty Tax, all make tax refund loans in anticipation of a taxpayer getting a refund from the government for taxes they overpaid. There are over 10 Million RAL's (refund anticipation loans) as they are called, made to taxpayers every year....so bottomline, they're huge. As a matter of fact, I just slipped away for a minute and bought RefundAnticipation.Loans because it's the exact match for RAL's as described even on Wiki's site for "Refund Anticipation Loans" Suggest you Google it, and read all about it.

Actually Joe...the more "specific" the name is the more valuable it should be to the end user. Take an auto dealer for example who sells hybrid cars. The domain HybridCars.com would be far better than just Hybrid.com or Cars.Com. If I were shopping for a Hybrid automobile for example, I'd be far more likely to click on HybridCars than either Cars or Hybrid by themselves. Make sense?

Joe...I do appreciate your input, but we're really not on the same country page. Thanks

Ha ha! We might drink too much beer up here in the Great White North, but I am familiar with tax refund loans.

I do get what you're saying, but I think the missing link is that you're thinking of the domain as a means of attracting motivated buyers, when it can't actually do that based on the specificity of the name alone, because no one will type it into the url bar, and the domain won't appear high on Google searches unless very well developed (due to what I'm assuming is a highly competitive market).

I think what you're talking about is the value of a lead that's been generated from a lead generation site based on those keywords... And in that case I absolutely agree: the more specific the niche, the more certain you can be that the lead is a quality one and is ready to pay for the service/product in question.

But that value doesn't necessarily translate to a domain name with those specific keywords. It depends very much on the industry and how much the potential buyers depend on that specific revenue stream (obtained via online referral) as a means of success. And of course there's the added challenge in getting your buyers to see the value in the new extensions if they have never used or heard of them.

I think a lot of these new extensions are really cool. I just don't know how to sell them! I think it takes a very enlightened buyer, heavy time investment into developing the names, or an extremely good sales pitch. Most of the consistent ngTLD sellers I've followed on NP seem to mostly report sales of short, brandable type names in the high XXX to low XXXX range.

 

[Fancy.domains]

@lolwarrior - You're definitely one of the bigger boosters of the new extensions on NP. I'm always curious to hear the experiences and methods of those with larger ngTLD portfolios, like @Fancy.domains and @kerala. How much success have you had with the names to date? Are your sales typically derived from inbound enquiries, or from outbound marketing efforts? And if it's the latter, do you target .com owners who might be wanting for a shorter/catchier name?

I have been kind of successful with my new gTLDs, IMO. Abut 120-125 sales, from 2014 until now. My portfolio is not that large. I have about 300 new gTLDs at the moment. I stay away from names with +$40 renewal fees .

All my sales are derived from inbound enquiries. In 2015 I tried to contact companies for a short while, without any success.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I was wondering if this would be the correct place to discuss the relative merits of .loan and .loans TLDs.

Stating the obvious:
*The huge sale of the year was a .loans not a .loan
*Registration and renewal cost less for a .loan than .loans
*Some words work better with one than the other - i.e. home.loans is better than home.loan in my opinion, although I think both cases can be made
*There are way more .loan registrations, so less choice in words
*So far there have been 2 sales of .loan in the Namebio database with a median price of $26,000, while 5 of .loans with a median price of $5000

Other thoughts?

 

[ikhub]

Some of the ngtld extensions are just .confusion and .confusions

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Some of the ngtld extensions are just .confusion and .confusions

Yes, I did not comment on why we have .loan and .loans, .review and .reviews, etc. but clearly IMHO that was a huge mistake, and hurts both parts of the pair.

 

[Premiums]

• RealEstates.Loans
• Properties.Loans

plural.plural has no value sorry.. nobody buys them

 

[Harvest Moon]

Hello everyone , great discussion ! I think lots of us newbies ( especially ) see the new ext as an opportunity to get a great portfolio started with little money and solid keywords that are still available. I personally try a common sense approach. Ex. When your speaking to friends or family members about filling out paperwork for a car loan/ home loan etc. .. Their eyes will gloss over at just the thought of filling out paperwork ! Lol !! So, my one and only .loans is .. Simple.loans. That's my 2 cents I would love to here any feedback ! Or offers ! Lol ! Thanks !!!

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Hello everyone , great discussion ! So, my one and only .loans is .. Simple.loans. That's my 2 cents I would love to here any feedback ! Or offers ! Lol ! Thanks !!!

Welcome (I guess you have been on but this is first post?) to NPs. I must say I like simple/simpler etc. as a keyword in multiple extensions, and in loan it is nice. I notice that it has a very good GoValue estimate, that with some potential buyers may help you in getting a good price. Good luck with it!

 

[Harvest Moon]

Thank you Metbob ! I really appreciate that ! And yes, it's my first post. I enjoy this so much that I spend almost all of my free time doing it

 

[Premiums]

Hello everyone , great discussion ! I think lots of us newbies ( especially ) see the new ext as an opportunity to get a great portfolio started with little money and solid keywords that are still available. I personally try a common sense approach. Ex. When your speaking to friends or family members about filling out paperwork for a car loan/ home loan etc. .. Their eyes will gloss over at just the thought of filling out paperwork ! Lol !! So, my one and only .loans is .. Simple.loans. That's my 2 cents I would love to here any feedback ! Or offers ! Lol ! Thanks !!!

i would reg "just.loans"

 

[Harvest Moon]

In response to "premiums " reply , I think that's a winner as well ! I have reached my limit for buying this week however. That's an awesome tip though ! Thank you

 

[MapleDots]

13K to REGISTER a name that has no proven value...no thanks.
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Not entirely correct..... the domain has instant value because someone just paid 13k to register it.

And not only that, you brought nice value to the registrar

 

[Brands.International]

Some more of my .loans domain names :

• Secret.Loans
• Maxi.Loans
• Multi.Loans
• IPO.Loans
• Ultra.Loans
• Multiple.Loans
• SmallDollar.Loans
• FairPlay.Loans
• Xmas.Loans
• Shared.Loans

I like this small discussion about value of .loans names - I let some of you guys discuss it up and down, and meanwhile I will simply get them

 

[Brands.International]

@lolwarrior - You're definitely one of the bigger boosters of the new extensions on NP. I'm always curious to hear the experiences and methods of those with larger ngTLD portfolios, like @Fancy.domains and @kerala. How much success have you had with the names to date? Are your sales typically derived from inbound enquiries, or from outbound marketing efforts? And if it's the latter, do you target .com owners who might be wanting for a shorter/catchier name?

Joe, sorry I somehow missed this. I unfortunatelly do not discuss my sales publicly, only to friends. I work mostly directly with end users, I connect on personal level with most of them. I am not afraid to get on phone and have longer conversation about new gTLDs. If someone contact me via some venue I process this as well of course, but I really like to know who my buyer is. I do not sell my names cheaply, as I have renewals to pay and I am not charity