new gtlds .Loan and .Loans

[BoGoKing]

It was the sale by donuts of Home.Loans January 18, 2018 for 500K that's had Bulloney going "loan crazy"
From Refund.Loans to TaxRefund.Loans to NationalHome.Loans to JumboMortgage.Loans there's no way imho, an aggressive marketing effort with the backing of someone like a Wells Fargo or Bank Of America can't put the .loan(s) nTLD on the Domain Map. I started this thread to see who's interested in getting in on the ground floor of .loan(s) extensions. Pros and Cons welcome, but please research how HUGE this industry is before you comment. Thanks.

 

[Cruncher]

[QUOTE="Bulloney, post: 6607922, member: 1005089", but a dumb loan...I've had a lot of experience with those[/QUOTE] Haha! I think we all have experience of those,never again though.

I know it is unavoidable for some, but I hate being in debt,would rather go without if possible!

Back on topic though,I think .loan(s) extension may be very popular in the near future,along with alot of other extensions,and I think with the right keywords they will prove to be profitable.

 

[Brands.International]

@Josh R

thank you for your feedback - I will tell it nicely as you seems to be a nice guy. I learned in my life to be very careful who I listen to, and when it comes to new gTLDs I tend to listen to people who actually owns great new gTLD portfolios.

I do not mean it in bad manner, but you seem to focus on .com, and without actually having at least few hundreds of great new gTLDs, your experience and advise is more or less theoretical. I hope we can agree on that. I do not see your portfolio anywhere - show me some nice new gTLDs you own and I will listen to your every word!

New G's are pretty complex, and when you operate mostly in .com , you sometimes might not understand what new gTLD investors are doing and why we are doing it: please understand that many of us are rather not making any assumptions, and we simply test the names.

For those names I listed above I am testing traffic, offers and feedback from end users when I present them the names. When I see at renewal time there is no traffic, no offers and no feedback for a name, I drop it like a yesterday newspaper. I have dropped hundreds of new gTLDs, when I saw they are not performing. And vice versa, when I see traffic, or any other form of interest, I keep them. It is as easy as that, and you can read more in few articles I wrote about it (in my signature).

I did not like one thing: I posted 13 names, and noted that 3 of then are im plural, unfortunately - in your post you focused exactly on those 3 weak (nonsensical) names, and then posted your vlog link which should "help"...the 10 names with potential obviously escaped your attention) I would prefer (if you want to be that helpful) to focus on those, as pointing the obvious does not bring any added value to anyone.

And you can be succesful only if you bring added value to people - there is no way around

 

[BoGoKing]

I'll chime in because about 1 yr ago I had the exact same thought and plan - well close enough.

Someone was having a 88c sale on all .loan domains. I thought WOW how could I lose with State or City + Home. loan, auto.loan, payday.loan.? I saw them at minimum paying for their own renewal fees with either parking or the sale of a couple/few.

I got about 100 of them - they were 88c and I was wanting to see how they would do in terms of traffic.

Well, luckily it was not a ton of money because my experiment was a failure. I'll be dropping them on renewals. Not one bit of interest, and I sell actively, not a penny in parking - seriously not 1 penny per all of them.

I dont really see a Category Killer sale as a boost to the whole extension or similar extentions - category killers are killer names and they stand alone, I dont see them pulling the extension/s up.

but that's just my opinion/experience - take it with a grain of salt as all should.

If you have a plan work it - no one else knows what the angle you can come up with and who it may interest. I have learned, over the years, to not doubt others abilities to sell - have met /worked some amazing sales people.

Good Luck,

Actually...I see you edited your post and changed God Luck to Good Luck, lol. I was going to say when you have God on your side you always have Good Luck. I see where some of the gTLD and nTLD haters are coming out of the woodwork and liking your post. I thanked you for it more than liked it. There were some other decent sales of .loans other than Home.Loans for 500k, and here they are from Namebio's;
home.loans 500,000 USD 2018-01-21 Donuts
investmentproperty.loans 7,500 USD 2017-11-16 Acheeva Domains
cashadvance.loans 2,500 USD 2017-09-03 Pvt Sale
banking.loans 5,000 USD 2017-02-03 TLDPros.com
money.loans 2,499 USD 2017-01-26 Select.Auction

If you had 100 of these, you may have let go of some of them too soon Both God and Good Luck to you my friend.

 

[Josh R]

@Josh R

thank you for your feedback - I will tell it nicely as you seems to be a nice guy. I learned in my life to be very careful who I listen to, and when it comes to new gTLDs I tend to listen to people who actually owns great new gTLD portfolios.

I do not mean it in bad manner, but you seem to focus on .com, and without actually having at least few hundreds of great new gTLDs, your experience and advise is more or less theoretical. I hope we can agree on that. I do not see your portfolio anywhere - show me some nice new gTLDs you own and I will listen to your every word!

New G's are pretty complex, and when you operate mostly in .com , you sometimes might not understand what new gTLD investors are doing and why we are doing it: please understand that many of us are rather not making any assumptions, and we simply test the names.

For those names I listed above I am testing traffic, offers and feedback from end users when I present them the names. When I see at renewal time there is no traffic, no offers and no feedback for a name, I drop it like a yesterday newspaper. I have dropped hundreds of new gTLDs, when I saw they are not performing. And vice versa, when I see traffic, or any other form of interest, I keep them. It is as easy as that, and you can read more in few articles I wrote about it (in my signature).

I did not like one thing: I posted 13 names, and noted that 3 of then are im plural, unfortunately - in your post you focused exactly on those 3 weak (nonsensical) names, and then posted your vlog link which should "help"...the 10 names with potential obviously escaped your attention) I would prefer (if you want to be that helpful) to focus on those, as pointing the obvious does not bring any added value to anyone.

And you can be succesful only if you bring added value to people - there is no way around

I don't own any G's I don't think. I've only ever considered buying Business.Loans.

I didn't focus on just the 3 that were plural. I didn't mention Properties.Loans...Instead I mentioned HouseEquity.Loans which perhaps was helpful?

Other names like Lien.Loans don't make much sense to me either and there is no sales data for those two keywords but I won't mention any others because I was only trying to help.

If it's not helpful then I guess I shouldn't have wasted my time. I sincerely wish you all the best with your investments. You're a nice guy and I certainly don't want to offend you in any way.

 

[BrandPlease]

For the record I love new GTLDs - too much... but I focus on the names that make me money (.coms for the most part) and invest in others with "extra" funds. I have DotCom.Domains, DomainName.Help, I even have BackIn.Black.
And HAHAHA on the Good edit - I never notice changes HHAHAHAHA

 

[BoGoKing]

I don't own any G's I don't think. I've only ever considered buying Business.Loans.

I didn't focus on just the 3 that were plural. I didn't mention Properties.Loans...Instead I mentioned HouseEquity.Loans which perhaps was helpful?

If it's not helpful then I guess I shouldn't have wasted my time. I sincerely wish you all the best with your investments. Just trying to help

I just thought I would mention to you that there's another extension that fits great with the words "loan" and "loans" and that's "online", like...BusinesLoans.Online...I've bought a few of those that fit, but I've used the word "online" combined with with some of my other key business words like OnlineBuilding.loan etc.










b.loan etc.

 

[BoGoKing]

For the record I love new GTLDs - too much... but I focus on the names that make me money (.coms for the most part) and invest in others with "extra" funds. I have DotCom.Domains, DomainName.Help, I even have BackIn.Black.
And HAHAHA on the Good edit - I never notice changes HHAHAHAHA

Actually...I'm an EODG or an Equal Opportunity Domain Guy...I own as many .coms as gTLD and nTLD's.
I good name is a good name regardless whether it's a .com or a gTLD or a nTLD.

 

[Brands.International]

I don't own any G's I don't think. I've only ever considered buying Business.Loans.

I didn't focus on just the 3 that were plural. I didn't mention Properties.Loans...Instead I mentioned HouseEquity.Loans which perhaps was helpful?

Other names like Lien.Loans don't make much sense to me either and there is no sales data for those two keywords but I won't mention any others because I was only trying to help.

If it's not helpful then I guess I shouldn't have wasted my time. I sincerely wish you all the best with your investments. You're a nice guy and I certainly don't want to offend you in any way.

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

 

[Josh R]

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

Good man!
We are all in the same boat at the end of the day.

To make sales !

 

[BoGoKing]

You also mentioned in your reply: "P.S - I also notice you have a gTLD portfolio in the hundreds. Watch out for those renewals. Sometimes it's better to focus on quality rather than quantity."

I better do not comment that "Quality rather than Quantity" statement, everyone can visit my site and make their own picture, I hide nothing.

But if you can, really read my articles - some people told me they are too complicated and boring, but when you make it through those articles, you will be able to understand how new gTLDs can be highly profitable...for now I can just tell you that I do not need to watch my renewals, because I watch them from the very start! I am basically obcessed with renewals and all new gTLD investors need to be, imo.

Saying that, thank you for your wishes for my new gTLDs, and I wish you nice sales for .coms as well

Stupid question lolwarrior...what exactly is the difference between gTLD and nTLD? I started using nTLD for most of my non .com domains because most of the extensions I use are "new". I guess I'm too new to know.

 

[Joe N]

Stupid question lolwarrior...what exactly is the difference between gTLD and nTLD? I started using nTLD for most of my non .com domains because most of the extensions I use are "new". I guess I'm too new to know.

Strictly speaking, gTLD refers to any generic top level domain, which includes .com, .net, .org, and all the newer extensions. gTLDs are more-or-less available for anyone to register, regardless of industry or geographic location.

The correct term for the New Generic Top Level Domains is ngTLD. However, I think it's come to be commonly understood in this forum that whether you're saying gTLD, nTLD, or ngTLD, you're talking about the newer generic extensions. Otherwise you just say .com, .org, .info, etc.

 

[Joe N]

@lolwarrior - You're definitely one of the bigger boosters of the new extensions on NP. I'm always curious to hear the experiences and methods of those with larger ngTLD portfolios, like @Fancy.domains and @kerala. How much success have you had with the names to date? Are your sales typically derived from inbound enquiries, or from outbound marketing efforts? And if it's the latter, do you target .com owners who might be wanting for a shorter/catchier name?

 

[FolioTeam]

Having said that. I did bid 10K for Business.Loans at NamesCon.. I would consider Business.Loans up there with Home.Loans though.

I feel that only the very very best of these names have high end-user potential.

The combination has to be perfect.

I agree with you. The only time these names make sense to me is if they are really generic words like Business.loans, Auto.loans, Car.loans etc.

Investing in these new gtlds are risky enough as it is. Investing in something like wegive.loans for instance, will be increasing that risk factor further.

 

[BoGoKing]

I agree with you. The only time these names make sense to me is if they are really generic words like Business.loans, Auto.loans, Car.loans etc.

Investing in these new gtlds are risky enough as it is. Investing in something like wegive.loans for instance, will be increasing that risk factor further.

Thanks Folio Team...I agree, but I think "generic words" are like "smart" loans or "fixed" loans. Names like, Home.Loans, Auto.Loans, Business.Loans are more "specific" than "generic" imho. Most of the .loan(s) that I own are more specific like; TaxRefund.Loans, and I personally think it has more value than just Refund.Loans that I also own. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

 

[Joe N]

Thanks Folio Team...I agree, but I think "generic words" are like "smart" loans or "fixed" loans. Names like, Home.Loans, Auto.Loans, Business.Loans are more "specific" than "generic" imho. Most of the .loan(s) that I own are more specific like; TaxRefund.Loans, and I personally think it has more value than just Refund.Loans that I also own. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

I agree Rich, yours are definitely more specific in nature. I have to wonder if that will limit their value significantly? For example, when I search the term "tax refund loans" I get a ton of results, but very few of them are from businesses that deal exclusively in these types of loans. Most results are from larger financial companies that deal in many different financial instruments.

So to me, this name will be most valuable as an exact match name that can give a slight boost to a company's SEO for their site, or maybe as a lead generation page (once developed and marketed... but that doesn't affect the pure value of the name). And this probably holds the value down to under $1K, particularly since it doesn't get any traffic, and because it will need to be directly marketed to potential buyers.

I do like some of your names; however, I think it's important to keep perspective on them. EMDs have their value, but the more narrow the term, the less you can typically expect to get for them. Add in the extra challenge of selling a ngTLD to an end user, and the high renewals and lower expected sale prices, and they look less appealing.

More or less, I think it means you'll need to sell through at a 10% rate to break even (if you plan to keep the names... if not then it means selling enough in a year to recoup costs). It's a tall order, but of course I'm talking strictly about selling the names on their own merits. I know you have more of a "full package approach" to domaining that could include development, networking, and/or the creation of business ideas around each name... and that's a different animal altogether.

 

[BoGoKing]

I agree Rich, yours are definitely more specific in nature. I have to wonder if that will limit their value significantly? For example, when I search the term "tax refund loans" I get a ton of results, but very few of them are from businesses that deal exclusively in these types of loans. Most results are from larger financial companies that deal in many different financial instruments.

So to me, this name will be most valuable as an exact match name that can give a slight boost to a company's SEO for their site, or maybe as a lead generation page (once developed and marketed... but that doesn't affect the pure value of the name). And this probably holds the value down to under $1K, particularly since it doesn't get any traffic, and because it will need to be directly marketed to potential buyers.

I do like some of your names; however, I think it's important to keep perspective on them. EMDs have their value, but the more narrow the term, the less you can typically expect to get for them. Add in the extra challenge of selling a ngTLD to an end user, and the high renewals and lower expected sale prices, and they look less appealing.

More or less, I think it means you'll need to sell through at a 10% rate to break even (if you plan to keep the names... if not then it means selling enough in a year to recoup costs). It's a tall order, but of course I'm talking strictly about selling the names on their own merits. I know you have more of a "full package approach" to domaining that could include development, networking, and/or the creation of business ideas around each name... and that's a different animal altogether.

Joe...maybe your perspective of my domains comes from us living in two different countries. Take for example the term Refi, maybe the mortgage market in Canada isn't familiar with the term Refi, but pretty much everyone in the US who has ever owned a home is very familiar with it. Refinancing of a home is a mega Billion dollar industry in the US. Moving on to, Tax Refund Loan....you apparently aren't familiar with that term either? What I am aware of Joe is that pretty much all the major tax preparers in the US, like H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt and Liberty Tax, all make tax refund loans in anticipation of a taxpayer getting a refund from the government for taxes they overpaid. There are over 10 Million RAL's (refund anticipation loans) as they are called, made to taxpayers every year....so bottomline, they're huge. As a matter of fact, I just slipped away for a minute and bought RefundAnticipation.Loans because it's the exact match for RAL's as described even on Wiki's site for "Refund Anticipation Loans" Suggest you Google it, and read all about it.

Actually Joe...the more "specific" the name is the more valuable it should be to the end user. Take an auto dealer for example who sells hybrid cars. The domain HybridCars.com would be far better than just Hybrid.com or Cars.Com. If I were shopping for a Hybrid automobile for example, I'd be far more likely to click on HybridCars than either Cars or Hybrid by themselves. Make sense?

Joe...I do appreciate your input, but we're really not on the same country page. Thanks

 

[Joe N]

Joe...maybe your perspective of my domains comes from us living in two different countries. Take for example the term Refi, maybe the mortgage market in Canada isn't familiar with the term Refi, but pretty much everyone in the US who has ever owned a home is very familiar with it. Refinancing of a home is a mega Billion dollar industry in the US. Moving on to, Tax Refund Loan....you apparently aren't familiar with that term either? What I am aware of Joe is that pretty much all the major tax preparers in the US, like H&R Block, Jackson Hewitt and Liberty Tax, all make tax refund loans in anticipation of a taxpayer getting a refund from the government for taxes they overpaid. There are over 10 Million RAL's (refund anticipation loans) as they are called, made to taxpayers every year....so bottomline, they're huge. As a matter of fact, I just slipped away for a minute and bought RefundAnticipation.Loans because it's the exact match for RAL's as described even on Wiki's site for "Refund Anticipation Loans" Suggest you Google it, and read all about it.

Actually Joe...the more "specific" the name is the more valuable it should be to the end user. Take an auto dealer for example who sells hybrid cars. The domain HybridCars.com would be far better than just Hybrid.com or Cars.Com. If I were shopping for a Hybrid automobile for example, I'd be far more likely to click on HybridCars than either Cars or Hybrid by themselves. Make sense?

Joe...I do appreciate your input, but we're really not on the same country page. Thanks

Ha ha! We might drink too much beer up here in the Great White North, but I am familiar with tax refund loans.

I do get what you're saying, but I think the missing link is that you're thinking of the domain as a means of attracting motivated buyers, when it can't actually do that based on the specificity of the name alone, because no one will type it into the url bar, and the domain won't appear high on Google searches unless very well developed (due to what I'm assuming is a highly competitive market).

I think what you're talking about is the value of a lead that's been generated from a lead generation site based on those keywords... And in that case I absolutely agree: the more specific the niche, the more certain you can be that the lead is a quality one and is ready to pay for the service/product in question.

But that value doesn't necessarily translate to a domain name with those specific keywords. It depends very much on the industry and how much the potential buyers depend on that specific revenue stream (obtained via online referral) as a means of success. And of course there's the added challenge in getting your buyers to see the value in the new extensions if they have never used or heard of them.

I think a lot of these new extensions are really cool. I just don't know how to sell them! I think it takes a very enlightened buyer, heavy time investment into developing the names, or an extremely good sales pitch. Most of the consistent ngTLD sellers I've followed on NP seem to mostly report sales of short, brandable type names in the high XXX to low XXXX range.

 

[Fancy.domains]

@lolwarrior - You're definitely one of the bigger boosters of the new extensions on NP. I'm always curious to hear the experiences and methods of those with larger ngTLD portfolios, like @Fancy.domains and @kerala. How much success have you had with the names to date? Are your sales typically derived from inbound enquiries, or from outbound marketing efforts? And if it's the latter, do you target .com owners who might be wanting for a shorter/catchier name?

I have been kind of successful with my new gTLDs, IMO. Abut 120-125 sales, from 2014 until now. My portfolio is not that large. I have about 300 new gTLDs at the moment. I stay away from names with +$40 renewal fees .

All my sales are derived from inbound enquiries. In 2015 I tried to contact companies for a short while, without any success.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I was wondering if this would be the correct place to discuss the relative merits of .loan and .loans TLDs.

Stating the obvious:
*The huge sale of the year was a .loans not a .loan
*Registration and renewal cost less for a .loan than .loans
*Some words work better with one than the other - i.e. home.loans is better than home.loan in my opinion, although I think both cases can be made
*There are way more .loan registrations, so less choice in words
*So far there have been 2 sales of .loan in the Namebio database with a median price of $26,000, while 5 of .loans with a median price of $5000

Other thoughts?

 

[web3dev]

Some of the ngtld extensions are just .confusion and .confusions