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EXCLUSIVE: 'Creepy, crazy and weird': Former classmates say Texas gunman was an 'outcast' who 'preached his atheism' online before killing 26 in the state’s worst ever mass shooting
  • Devin Patrick Kelley, 26, shot dead 26 people and injured 24 others in Texas
  • Walked into First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs in Texas and opened fire
  • He was wearing black, tactical gear and carrying a military style assault rifle
  • Kelley was shot by local Stephen Willeford, 55, and died after a car chase
  • Former classmates have described him as an 'outcast', 'creepy' and 'weird'
  • Another said he talked 'about how people who believe in God were stupid'
  • LinkedIn reveals Kelley was an Air Force veteran and ex-Bible studies teacher
  • He was court martialed in 2014 for two counts of assault on his spouse and child
  • He was living in New Braunfels, a suburb of San Antonio, and was married
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-outcast-preached-atheism.html#ixzz4xfL0LaIM
 
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When Kelley exited the church, he dropped his rifle, a law-enforcement source told The Daily Beast. Kelley was pursued by a civilian with a shotgun and died near the city of New Berlin, Sheriff Joe Tackett said Sunday evening at a press conference. It is unclear if Kelley was killed or died from a self-inflicted gunshot wound

If he dropped the rifle, and THEN the civilian pursued and shot him... Never mind that he deserved it, can the civilian justify it legally? (Though we don't know for sure if he shot himself first.)

He should not have been able to buy that rifle to begin with. The system failed those 50 people. How do we fix it?
 
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Police know if he shot himself or if it was a shot from a distance. They just know not to say anything conclusive until the bullet is compared to the guns.

Sounds like he lied on the paper work.
 
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If he dropped the rifle, and THEN the civilian pursued and shot him... Never mind that he deserved it, can the civilian justify it legally? (Though we don't know for sure if he shot himself first.)

It is thought he had a pistol as well. Based on the account of the pursuit, he suddenly veered off the road and came to a stop. Either he shot himself or one of the prior rounds shot at him finally did the trick.

It is too bad he was not caught alive...public stoning and/or hanging comes to mind (after a full and fair trial of course).
 
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Another guy who loathes those who “cling to their religion"
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Well if nothing else is clear, there's no doubt that nothing will change and it will happen over and over and over again...

But then what do you expect from a country that was invaded and plundered by using violence and more violence to force people to work on the lands and more violence for personal entertainment...

Your best option is to stay in your home, ultra-secure your property, add bullet proof windows to your car, stock up with more and more powerful guns to keep up to date with what the enemy might have, ultra-secure your guns if you have children...

But by all means, you need to enjoy your life, so you must have 18+ insane violent movies, tv, and games. What would life be without shooting enemies and aliens dead as an imagination?

The Shocking Savagery of America’s Early History

Bernard Bailyn, one of our greatest historians, shines his light on the nation’s Dark Ages

It’s all a bit of a blur, isn’t it? That little-remembered century—1600 to 1700—that began with the founding (and foundering) of the first permanent English settlement in America, the one called Jamestown, whose endemic perils portended failure for the dream of a New World. The century that saw all the disease-ridden, barely civilized successors to Jamestown slaughtering and getting slaughtered by the Original Inhabitants, hanging on by their fingernails to some fetid coastal swampland until Pocahontas saved Thanksgiving. No, that’s not right, is it? I said it was a blur

Enter Bernard Bailyn, the greatest historian of early America alive today. Now over 90 and ensconced at Harvard for more than six decades, Bailyn has recently published another one of his epoch-making grand narrative syntheses, The Barbarous Years, casting a light on the darkness, filling in the blank canvas with what he’s gleaned from what seems like every last scrap of crumbling diary page, every surviving chattel slave receipt and ship’s passenger manifest of the living and dead, every fearful sermon about the Antichrist that survived in the blackened embers of the burned-out churches.

Bailyn has not painted a pretty picture. Little wonder he calls it The Barbarous Years and spares us no details of the terror, desperation, degradation and widespread torture—do you really know what being “flayed alive” means? (The skin is torn from the face and head and the prisoner is disemboweled while still alive.) And yet somehow amid the merciless massacres were elements that gave birth to the rudiments of civilization—or in Bailyn’s evocative phrase, the fragile “integument of civility”—that would evolve 100 years later into a virtual Renaissance culture, a bustling string of self-governing, self-sufficient, defiantly expansionist colonies alive with an increasingly sophisticated and literate political and intellectual culture that would coalesce into the rationale for the birth of American independence. All the while shaping, and sometimes misshaping, the American character. It’s a grand drama in which the glimmers of enlightenment barely survive the savagery, what Yeats called “the blood-dimmed tide,” the brutal establishment of slavery, the race wars with the original inhabitants that Bailyn is not afraid to call “genocidal,” the full, horrifying details of which have virtually been erased.

“In truth, I didn’t think anyone sat around erasing it,” Bailyn tells me when I visit him in his spacious, document-stuffed study in Harvard’s Widener Library. He’s a wiry, remarkably fit-looking fellow, energetically jumping out of his chair to open up a file drawer and show me copies of one of his most-prized documentary finds: the handwritten British government survey records of America-bound colonists made in the 1770s, which lists the name, origin, occupation and age of the departing, one of the few islands of hard data about who the early Americans were.

“Nobody sat around erasing this history,” he says in an even tone, “but it’s forgotten.”

“Conveniently?” I ask.

“Yes,” he agrees. “Look at the ‘peaceful’ Pilgrims. Our William Bradford. He goes to see the Pequot War battlefield and he is appalled. He said, ‘The stink’ [of heaps of dead bodies] was too much.”

Bailyn is speaking of one of the early and bloodiest encounters, between our peaceful pumpkin pie-eating Pilgrims and the original inhabitants of the land they wanted to seize, the Pequots. But for Bailyn, the mercenary motive is less salient than the theological.

“The ferocity of that little war is just unbelievable,” Bailyn says. “The butchering that went on cannot be explained by trying to get hold of a piece of land. They were really struggling with this central issue for them, of the advent of the Antichrist.”

Suddenly, I felt a chill from the wintry New England air outside enter into the warmth of his study.

The Antichrist. The haunting figure presaging the Apocalypse from the Book of Revelation plays an important part in Bailyn’s explanation of the European settlers’ descent into unrestrained savagery. The key passage on this question comes late in his new book when Bailyn makes explicit a connection I had not seen before: between the physical savagery the radical dissenting Protestant settlers of America wreaked on the original inhabitants, and the intellectual savagery of their polemical attacks on the church and state authorities they fled from in Europe—and the savagery of vicious insult and vile denunciation they wreaked upon each other as well.

“The savagery of the [theological] struggle, the bitterness of the main contenders and the deep stain it left on the region’s collective memory” were driven by “elemental fears peculiar to what was experienced as a barbarous environment—fears of what could happen to civilized people in an unimaginable wilderness...in which God’s children [as they thought of themselves] were fated to struggle with pitiless agents of Satan, pagan Antichrists swarming in the world around them. The two [kinds of struggle, physical and metaphysical] were one: threats from within [to the soul] merged with threats from without to form a heated atmosphere of apocalyptic danger.”

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Continue reading: smithsonianmag.com/history/the-shocking-savagery-of-americas-early-history-22739301/?page=2
 
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LOL... Amazing. Now I'm really worried, wondering if I could get arrested for having watched this video from beginning to end. :wtf: :nailbiting:

More laws = More crime = More prisons = More lawyers = More police = More Jobs.
Nothing like stimulating the economy in an artificial manner and creating more gov't jobs.
 
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Well if nothing else is clear, there's no doubt that nothing will change and it will happen over and over and over again...

History always repeats itself.
 
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Should we rely on these individuals to share 'their' wealth [through charity]?

Nope. Nobody is "entitled" to anybody elses stuff.
 
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It is too bad he was not caught alive...public stoning and/or hanging comes to mind

Won't bring the victims back. Or deter anyone that unhinged to begin with.

He also had a history of both domestic violence and animal abuse - both predictive of sociopathic behavior.

Obviously very confused if he taught bible studies AND rejected religious folk as stupid... might be interesting to know when and why his belief systems turned upside down. Or not.

Checking fingerprints would have turned up his felony convictions.

Sheriff office now saying final gunshot was self inflicted. That's why upping the punishment won't work - most of these guys want to die and expect to die.

Also saying his MIL is a congregation member (I knew that a few days ago when they said her PO Box was in that small town.) He had been sending her threatening texts. She was not there Sunday.
 
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Or deter anyone that unhinged to begin with.

On this we disagree...a PROPERLY raised child (eventual adult) will be taught there are consequences to unapproved or unaccepted behavior.

Won't work on those possessed of evil or who are mentally deficient, but the other 80% (my guessed at number...therefore no link to support) may remember the sight of someone dangling and decide to get drunk/stoned and pass out rather than go on a rampage.

(disclaimer: I am not now nor have I ever been a psychiatrist but I played one in a high school production)
 
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Won't work on those possessed of evil or who are mentally deficient
Or insane. Like I said, won't deter these crazies because they expect and want to die.

Sane people wouldnt go on a shooting rampage to begin with. Would you? Wouldn't even cross my mind and not because of the consequences. Or upbringing. Or religion. Just ...not something sane folk do.
 
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So like the stats showed earlier, over half of mass shootings are family/domestic in nature, so this one was as well. In laws attended the church, one of the victims being the grandmother in law.

I heard they do have video of what happened, what I posted earlier about them taping each week.

So in the last 5 weeks we have 2 of the worst mass shootings in U.S. history. The Las Vegas one, the worst ever. This Texas one, the worst in Texas, the 5th in U.S. history.

Las Vegas, those bump stocks should be illegal.

This Texas one, he shouldn't have been able to purchase those guns, so the system failed.

This is the type of stuff that needs to get talked about and fixed. These are the type of topics that people want to get addressed when the gun control topic comes up.

So people in this thread, are you against these 2 issues? Do you think bump stocks should stay legal? Do you think it's ok to have a broken system where people who shouldn't be able to buy guns, can?

It's never been get all your guns. That's just NRA marketing who are beholden to gun sales/gun manufacturers.

The New York terror attack, 8 people were killed and within 24 hours, Trump was all over the place, we're going to do this and that.

After the Las Vegas incident, it's something we'll look into in the future, the bump stocks/gun control debate.

He could step up and besides just talking tough all the time, actually stand up the NRA. But like most Republicans, he's a coward. Scared of the NRA and all the attack ads that will come with it.

Of course I'm watching news now, listening to Cruz. Talking about the pain, the usual thoughts and prayers.......... Never any real action.

He was just asked about gun control, complained about politicizing it, changed the subject. Let's celebrate love and unity, sounding like a hippy. Let's not actually address the problems. Cruz is one of the biggest weasels out there.
 
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Nope. Nobody is "entitled" to anybody elses stuff.
What about fairness, starting on a level playing field?

Times change. What was acceptable and legal in 1800, that made many of these families hugely rich and powerful, are frowned upon or banned by governments now & and many things that made people/families super-rich today will be frowned upon tomorrow (such as slavery, opium, opiates, cigarettes, fossil fuels, animal abuse, buying up people’s homes, offshore tax evasion, etc.)

Do you really believe that anyone is deserving of the huge amounts of wealth that they are ‘hoarding’? Hoarding is actually a mental illness.

These people are entitled to their ‘stuff’ (i.e. our planet) because they are special (or especially greedy and selfish)?
 
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Trump points to mental health after shootings, but little action

"President Donald Trump, asked about the deadly shooting at a church in Sutherland Springs, Texas, labeled the incident a "mental health problem at the highest level," not a "guns situation."

It's the same point he raised in the wake of the mass shooting in Las Vegas last month. But he has yet to suggest any legislative or policy changes that could have curbed the shootings.

He's also moved to make it easier for people with mental health issues to gain access to weapons.

In February, Trump signed a measure that got rid of a regulation that aimed at keeping guns out of the hands of people who were either receiving full disability benefits because of a mental illness and couldn't work or people who were unable to manage their own Social Security benefits and needed the help of a third party.

Using the Congressional Review Act, Republican majorities in the House and Senate voted to revoke the rule enacted by former President Barack Obama as part of a series of efforts to curb gun violence after similar measures failed to pass through Congress.

Trump signed the bill in private, without his typical public signing ceremony meant to draw attention and fanfare.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...action/ar-AAuw7EP?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout
 
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Trump Nixed Gun-Control Rule

Q: Did President Donald Trump repeal a rule that aims to block some people with mental disorders from buying guns?


A: Yes. The Social Security Administration is no longer required to submit the names of certain mentally disabled beneficiaries to a federal agency that conducts gun background checks.


http://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/trump-nixed-gun-control-rule/
 
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If there are no enemies (e.g. mentally ill people) out there to kill, why do you need to protect yourself with guns at all? That wouldn't be good for business now would it?
 
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