Is parking dead?

[mpls]

Hi guys, in your opinion, is parking dead?

Look at my last month screenshot, there are a lot of days with clicks and $ 0 revenue. 3 clicks and $ 0.01....

My stats:
CTR: 1.5% (LOL)
RPC: $ 0.01 (LOL! But only when I'm lucky! Otherwise 3 clicks $ 0!)
RPM: $ 0.11 (Seriously??? 1k user to earn $ 0.11? $ 0.11??)
Last month earning: $ 0.09 (LOL!!!!) .

I suppose I'll move away all my domain from parking companies and redirect them to sedo/uniregistry/afternic landing page.

This situation does not make sense.

 

[SpareDomains]

When you say "your own servers which are mine", do you mean your own hosted virtual servers or physically your own servers in your home or office?

My own dedicated servers located in a fully managed data center about 3 1/2 hours away.

Like a lot of things I see with Efty and a few other sales page providers but none are 100% there yet to what I need exactly so prefer to run my own servers at the moment so any changes I need aren't a possible feature request to a company but an instant implementation from myself as I have zero patience.

Can achieve the same with a shared or vps account and your own sales script/wordpress plugin but I have quite a few developed sites 40+ so having my own servers makes financial sense. Been there forever so deals come up here and there as well where a dedicated box isn't much more than grabbing a VPS. My last 2 fully managed dedicated servers I grabbed cost $99 and $109/month with ssd drives/centos7/whm/cpanel/raid10 etc...

 

[toughdomains]

My own dedicated servers located in a fully managed data center about 3 1/2 hours away.

Like a lot of things I see with Efty and a few other sales page providers but none are 100% there yet to what I need exactly so prefer to run my own servers at the moment so any changes I need aren't a possible feature request to a company but an instant implementation from myself as I have zero patience.

..

what specially are you looking for in a sales page that current services dont provide?

 

[SpareDomains]

i would argue that an rss feed on a page with affiliate links is better than the default registrar page or a parking page but if you disagree its only a small part of what our system can do to help manage and sell names...

Generally you'll make more on domains that have traffic by parking them. Most advertisers don't want content on a page they just want the handoff to the advertiser to happen quick which is the reason parking companies were restrictive on letting users add anything to their parked pages as Google didn't want it and the reason the most generic looking pages always performed better than fancy looking pages as the goal was to get clicks not confuse them with graphics, other content etc... That's the reason the domain sponsor default page was always the simplest page for many years outta a handful of options as they had millions of domains running through their system so free statistics to back up that decision.

SmartName had shops
WhyPark
DomainZaar
Amazon AStores
Various mini site builders
etc...

and the earnings on auto generated rss feeds rarely if ever equaled domain parking earnings. Throw adsense codes on those pages and you'll get a $1 click here and there and then after Google looks at quality then those clicks turn into .02 and then your users get an email saying their adsense account has been disabled as no unique content.

Unique content=Yes
Same RSS feeds on hundreds of domains=No

I admire your willingness to listen to users and try to make adjustments or develop what users want. In my opinion though...

If a domain has traffic park it or do real development not rss automated development
If it doesn't have traffic straight to a clean sales lander
If ya wanna hybrid which is what I do clean sales lander with a couple text links or banners out of the way in the side bar or footer where the sales page is still the #1 focus of the page

I've done smartname shops, domainzaar, amazon a stores, various mini site builders and have a folder of quite a few domain sales scripts, mini site scripts from the last 14 years of me testing and analyzing numbers.

So think you should focus more on clean sales pages and market features over anything who's primary content source is repetitive RSS feeds as that was the rage 10 years ago and where are they now?

Good Luck as options are good just feel RSS is like I just woke up in 2006 all over again and I know the ending already and it's bloody.

what specially are you looking for in a sales page that current services dont provide?

In da middle of working on a site but I'll look at yours and Efty and make a list in the near future of what I like and don't like and then you can copy those ideas free of charge.

 

[toughdomains]

Generally you'll make more on domains that have traffic by parking them. Most advertisers don't want content on a page they just want the handoff to the advertiser to happen quick which is the reason parking companies were restrictive on letting users add anything to their parked pages as Google didn't want it and the reason the most generic looking pages always performed better than fancy looking pages as the goal was to get clicks not confuse them with graphics, other content etc... That's the reason the domain sponsor default page was always the simplest page for many years outta a handful of options as they had millions of domains running through their system so free statistics to back up that decision.

SmartName had shops (applied and never heard back)
WhyPark (RIP)
DomainZaar (hosted script )
Amazon AStores (no custom content options or banner options)
Various mini site builders (they charge btw $200 and $400 per domain)


and the earnings on auto generated rss feeds rarely if ever equaled domain parking earnings. Throw adsense codes on those pages and you'll get a $1 click here and there and then after Google looks at quality then those clicks turn into .02 and then your users get an email saying their adsense account has been disabled as no unique content.

Unique content=Yes
Same RSS feeds on hundreds of domains=No

I admire your willingness to listen to users and try to make adjustments or develop what users want. In my opinion though...

If a domain has traffic park it or do real development not rss automated development
If it doesn't have traffic straight to a clean sales lander
If ya wanna hybrid which is what I do clean sales lander with a couple text links or banners out of the way in the side bar or footer where the sales page is still the #1 focus of the page

I've done smartname shops, domainzaar, amazon a stores, various mini site builders and have a folder of quite a few domain sales scripts, mini site scripts from the last 14 years of me testing and analyzing numbers.

So think you should focus more on clean sales pages and market features over anything who's primary content source is repetitive RSS feeds as that was the rage 10 years ago and where are they now?

Good Luck as options are good just feel RSS is like I just woke up in 2006 all over again and I know the ending already and it's bloody.



In da middle of working on a site but I'll look at yours and Efty and make a list in the near future of what I like and don't like and then you can copy those ideas free of charge.

A few points we would like to address

1. we have been testing and running adsense with unique content (content from our blog) for about year now without any issues. and rev from adsesne is about 5 times that of parking...if parking provided $5 on our test names we generated over $25 with adsense.

2. if you write your own articles and pull in the feeds its unique content.

3. also there are top news sites http://alltop.com/ that just combine news feeds from different sources using adsense so how does that differ from an rss mix on a mini site?

4. if you dont want to use adsesne you can run affiliate or banners to your own company or portfolio.

5. these sites are either no longer around or have really bad old looking templates.
SmartName had shops (applied and never heard back)
WhyPark (RIP)
DomainZaar ( script that requires hosting and installation for $200+)
Amazon AStores (no custom content options or banner options only amazon products)
Various mini site builders (they charge btw $200 and $400 per domain)

Also if you were an advertiser would you rather have your ad on a mini site or on a parked page?
Users are trained to click away from a parking page the bounce rate are super high.

I agree a mini site is not as good as a fully developed site like time.com however if you find advertisers looking for and willing to accept this traffic its a win. Advertising on a real site will cost you thousands. What if you could advertise on 5000 names for a few hundred a month?

We have working sites and proof that this method works on all levels so you may need to re evaluate options.

 

[toughdomains]

[QUOTE="In da middle of working on a site but I'll look at yours and Efty and make a list in the near future of what I like and don't like and then you can copy those ideas free of charge. [/QUOTE]

Looking forward to this post...Ill make the changes you request to our system free of charge.

 

[frank-germany]

Generally you'll make more on domains that have traffic by parking them. Most advertisers don't want content on a page they just want the handoff to the advertiser to happen quick which is the reason parking companies were restrictive on letting users add anything to their parked pages as Google didn't want it and the reason the most generic looking pages always performed better than fancy looking pages as the goal was to get clicks not confuse them with graphics, other content etc... That's the reason the domain sponsor default page was always the simplest page for many years outta a handful of options as they had millions of domains running through their system so free statistics to back up that decision.

SmartName had shops
WhyPark
DomainZaar
Amazon AStores
Various mini site builders
etc...

and the earnings on auto generated rss feeds rarely if ever equaled domain parking earnings. Throw adsense codes on those pages and you'll get a $1 click here and there and then after Google looks at quality then those clicks turn into .02 and then your users get an email saying their adsense account has been disabled as no unique content.

Unique content=Yes
Same RSS feeds on hundreds of domains=No

I admire your willingness to listen to users and try to make adjustments or develop what users want. In my opinion though...

If a domain has traffic park it or do real development not rss automated development
If it doesn't have traffic straight to a clean sales lander
If ya wanna hybrid which is what I do clean sales lander with a couple text links or banners out of the way in the side bar or footer where the sales page is still the #1 focus of the page

I've done smartname shops, domainzaar, amazon a stores, various mini site builders and have a folder of quite a few domain sales scripts, mini site scripts from the last 14 years of me testing and analyzing numbers.

So think you should focus more on clean sales pages and market features over anything who's primary content source is repetitive RSS feeds as that was the rage 10 years ago and where are they now?

Good Luck as options are good just feel RSS is like I just woke up in 2006 all over again and I know the ending already and it's bloody.



In da middle of working on a site but I'll look at yours and Efty and make a list in the near future of what I like and don't like and then you can copy those ideas free of charge.

I have been through similar experiences over the years
I park like since 2001 or so

I loved whypark
- the idea -
but they never made me any money


astore has never worked as it looked really sh*tty
and now amazon has stopped it



parking companies
don't give a shit
as long as "they" make money

I can see no efford in any parking company
to improve income for parked domains since 2012 or so
when parkingcrew was doing it differently

I was able to created my own parking layout at the time over there
I developed one that was performing much better
- later they reversed it into their default theme
- it was that one with grey font on black background -
meanwhile they removed that create function

nowadays they don't show 1click pages no more
-they call it 1click lander - but its not showing ads unless you click somewhere-

I feel like I have seen it all for years

if you ask me,
all those parking companies make to much money
otherwise they would become creativ

I really hope some day someone will come with a better concept

 

[ajenipa]

i hand regged this in 2016

disabilitylawers.com 133 visitors 14 clicks > $15.87 USD

it average $1.13 per click at sedo

also regged in 2016:
taxlawers.com 16 visitors 2 clicks > $11.87 USD

then dropped it and re-regged again last month for $3.99 at directnic


imo...

also handregged windstream.online and i have over 40 visitors and $0.04 revenue in a month

 

[biggie]

@biggie if there is any alternative to parking out there we should be discussing it. ....
Im trying to see if there is any service or solution that can be better than 1 cent. If we can crack this nut we all win.

i think, "alternatives to parking" should have their own thread.

and that the subject of "is parking dead", shouldn't become another promotional thread, again, for @toughdomains.

just because you only get $0.01 per click, doesn't mean everybody else does.

so, i'm thinking... if you want to crack some nuts, maybe start with those you have already collected.

then come back with some real factual data, and maybe, it will be worth reading about.

not some blah about obscure test domains, and increased numbers based on undisclosed "actuals".

imo....

 

[domvault]

yes parking is dead if compared to what it was 11-12 years back

am i right ?

 

[toughdomains]

i think, "alternatives to parking" should have their own thread.

and that the subject of "is parking dead", shouldn't become another promotional thread, again, for @toughdomains.

just because you only get $0.01 per click, doesn't mean everybody else does.

so, i'm thinking... if you want to crack some nuts, maybe start with those you have already collected.

then come back with some real factual data, and maybe, it will be worth reading about.

not some blah about obscure test domains, and increased numbers based on undisclosed "actuals".

imo....

We get $10 clicks on parking here and there....but it seem from reading this thread most domainers are getting south of 10 cents....

If an advertiser is giving you $50 clicks with parking then the traffic from that domain is worth alot more. Google increased its max bid to $1,000 have you ever seen any $600 clicks? They do exist but not in parking land
https://www.en.advertisercommunity....and-Reporting/Adwords-Bid-to-large/td-p/96438

Yes this conversation is about parking being dead. Yes its still paying something but its now paying so little that there are better methods.

@biggie you know as well as I do that you cant share adsense data publicly.
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/adsense/qoj9y0KCLrY

but seriously do you really doubt that a developed page with the 3 highest rev generating ad sizes in adsense would generate more rev than a parked page with a two click system?

..

 

[Donny]

Let me explain what's happened over the past few years and maybe that will clear up some of the different issues some people have.

• If you went back 5 years ago Yahoo was a viable player in the domain parking space, now they are not. They are only viable if you are doing arb of some type.
• Technology has gotten a lot better, which means that low quality clicks are now filtered out where in the past they weren't.
• I remember when you could have a click from China and it would pay the same price as a click in the US. That doesn't happen anymore.
• Parking companies do give a shit, because they get paid based on what you get paid. If you make $100, they get a percentage of that money.
• 1 click lander pages are gone from our upstream ad provider. Most parking companies had gotten rid of them years ago, we still offered it, but you made a lot less with 1 click than 2 click landers. I bet most people didn't even realize 1 click ads were different than 2 click ads.
• Parking companies can only be as creative as they are allowed to be creative. Which isn't very creative.
• Secondary providers used to have really good high quality ads and were really worth using in many cases.

As far as click prices in general, there are a lot of things involved. Where is the surfer from? Are they on desktop, mobile, or tablet? What keyword did they click on? What rank was the click? What time of the day? What was the domain? What is the overall quality of the account that the traffic was sent from? How many times has the surfer clicked? And I'm sure about 10-15 other things.

Zero click for example is good and bad. If you have a domain that gets traffic, but people don't click out on normal ads, zero click is a good option for you, but the revenue per click is usually pretty low, way less than 10 cents a click and sometimes less than a penny. But this shows up as a click, so you think our upstream ad provider is paying you basically nothing for your traffic. We don't offer zero click for this exact reason. I would rather you have no clicks than a click that pays you next to nothing.

Donny

 

[frank-germany]

Let me explain what's happened over the past few years and maybe that will clear up some of the different issues some people have.

• If you went back 5 years ago Yahoo was a viable player in the domain parking space, now they are not. They are only viable if you are doing arb of some type.
• Technology has gotten a lot better, which means that low quality clicks are now filtered out where in the past they weren't.
• I remember when you could have a click from China and it would pay the same price as a click in the US. That doesn't happen anymore.
• Parking companies do give a sh*t, because they get paid based on what you get paid. If you make $100, they get a percentage of that money.
• 1 click lander pages are gone from our upstream ad provider. Most parking companies had gotten rid of them years ago, we still offered it, but you made a lot less with 1 click than 2 click landers. I bet most people didn't even realize 1 click ads were different than 2 click ads.
• Parking companies can only be as creative as they are allowed to be creative. Which isn't very creative.
• Secondary providers used to have really good high quality ads and were really worth using in many cases.

As far as click prices in general, there are a lot of things involved. Where is the surfer from? Are they on desktop, mobile, or tablet? What keyword did they click on? What rank was the click? What time of the day? What was the domain? What is the overall quality of the account that the traffic was sent from? How many times has the surfer clicked? And I'm sure about 10-15 other things.

Zero click for example is good and bad. If you have a domain that gets traffic, but people don't click out on normal ads, zero click is a good option for you, but the revenue per click is usually pretty low, way less than 10 cents a click and sometimes less than a penny. But this shows up as a click, so you think our upstream ad provider is paying you basically nothing for your traffic. We don't offer zero click for this exact reason. I would rather you have no clicks than a click that pays you next to nothing.

Donny

thank you Donny

zero click makes only sense for high traffic domains
that are somehow not so good

but if I want to sell a domain
zero click will kill it

so I support you here
rather no money then a few cents

 

[toughdomains]

Let me explain what's happened over the past few years and maybe that will clear up some of the different issues some people have.

• If you went back 5 years ago Yahoo was a viable player in the domain parking space, now they are not. They are only viable if you are doing arb of some type.
• Technology has gotten a lot better, which means that low quality clicks are now filtered out where in the past they weren't.
• I remember when you could have a click from China and it would pay the same price as a click in the US. That doesn't happen anymore.
• Parking companies do give a sh*t, because they get paid based on what you get paid. If you make $100, they get a percentage of that money.
• 1 click lander pages are gone from our upstream ad provider. Most parking companies had gotten rid of them years ago, we still offered it, but you made a lot less with 1 click than 2 click landers. I bet most people didn't even realize 1 click ads were different than 2 click ads.
• Parking companies can only be as creative as they are allowed to be creative. Which isn't very creative.
• Secondary providers used to have really good high quality ads and were really worth using in many cases.

As far as click prices in general, there are a lot of things involved. Where is the surfer from? Are they on desktop, mobile, or tablet? What keyword did they click on? What rank was the click? What time of the day? What was the domain? What is the overall quality of the account that the traffic was sent from? How many times has the surfer clicked? And I'm sure about 10-15 other things.

Zero click for example is good and bad. If you have a domain that gets traffic, but people don't click out on normal ads, zero click is a good option for you, but the revenue per click is usually pretty low, way less than 10 cents a click and sometimes less than a penny. But this shows up as a click, so you think our upstream ad provider is paying you basically nothing for your traffic. We don't offer zero click for this exact reason. I would rather you have no clicks than a click that pays you next to nothing.

Donny

We also spoke to about 3 different zero click providers some who came to us because they had so much demand and no inventory to fill it. One partner mentioned they were leaving 30k in ad demand on the table each day because there was just not enough domains in their system. Thinking about this from an advertiser it makes sense. If you can spend 1 to 5 cents a click vs $3 on other ad networks why wouldnt you.

And as a media buyer who has spent tens of millions I will admit that sometimes you just need cheap traffic that may not convert that you can blend with premium traffic in order to generate volume to a specific section of a site or promotion that is underdelivering. But as I posted here some of the zero click where filtering a ton of clicks on the sell side (selling to domainers) but not filtering it when you purchased the traffic. And trust me they tried everything from your traffic is all bots to your site is slow to justify the difference.

The current ad networks are also hurting due to all the adblockers and new definition of good traffic Donny explains above. If adnetworks are making less they have to redefine what they pay on in order to cover costs. Ad networks like chatika are basically defunked. The site is still up but you cant reach them...They are taking your traffic and simply not paying.
This is not business its stealing.
All of a sudden they no longer want to consider clicks from china or other countries as good traffic claiming these countries dont convert. If your traffic is not coming from US, Canada or UK they basically consider it useless. I just dont agree with this both as a media buyer and someone who is looking to monitize traffic. Due to all these new world problems we need to come up with a different way to generate revenue as I just dont see it getting better only worse.

 

[Donny]

The reason Chitika only accepts traffic from certain countries is that they have a deal with Yahoo and Yahoo/Bing only has advertisers in certain countries. Bing only works in 32 countries and the last I heard their are 196 countries in the world. So they are missing a few important ones.

Some parking companies like us are whitelisted with adblock plus, which is the largest adblocker. But that doesn't mean if you have something else installed that you will see our ads.

Donny

 

[toughdomains]

The reason Chitika only accepts traffic from certain countries is that they have a deal with Yahoo and Yahoo/Bing only has advertisers in certain countries. Bing only works in 32 countries and the last I heard their are 196 countries in the world. So they are missing a few important ones.

Some parking companies like us are whitelisted with adblock plus, which is the largest adblocker. But that doesn't mean if you have something else installed that you will see our ads.

Donny

Chitika was actually one of the only ad networks that had an easy sign up and would auto discover all domains. Most networks wanted you to list your names for approval. They seemed like the perfect solution until we ran tests.
Our test received 1 cent CPMs (not clicks but CPM) we then tried to contact them and noticed they are not in business. None of the phones work
no social media posts for months and a ton of negative replies
https://www.facebook.com/Chitika/
offshore support will reply to you within 4 days.
The founders have left it on a skeleton crew accepting traffic but not paying out and moved on to other ventures. They are out of business as far as Im concerned.
I will say it again its no easy task finding ways to get any revenue for your domain traffic (agree with Donny about the zero click both the traffic and employees are unprofessional) so I applaud parking companies for the work they have done...However we all cant simply accept declining revenues on both ends....no business would accept that.

 

[Fancy.domains]

If compared with let's say 2010, how much is parking revenues down in average?

I understand that it is not an easy question to answer, but do you have any stats or at least any guesses?

 

[ulasbbtr]

The solution is easy. If ad providers, parking companies, etc. give you only a penny for parking then forward all your domains to "for sale" landings and do not display any adds. There is no business on earth with such logic: you give something and they give you back nothing.

 

[toughdomains]

The solution is easy. If ad providers, parking companies, etc. give you only a penny for parking then forward all your domains to "for sale" landings and do not display any adds. There is no business on earth with such logic: you give something and they give you back nothing.

Agree 100%
if you get 1 cent clicks put a for sale lander
if your getting $5 to $50 clicks put up parking
and you are getting $5 to $50 clicks on parking consider developing and triple that

 

[ResoluteDomains]

With over 350 names I barely pop over $10 a month and that revenue comes from a handful of the same names each month. The rest - nothing. 10-12 years ago those same names (more or less) were earning $600-800 per month. So, yea, to me, its dying. Its like its half-lifing... Next year I may be saying that I barely pop over $5 per month.

So....... if parking IS dead OR is dying and will be dead soon (in a couple of years?) then whats left? Affiliate sites? FBA (Amazon) and the like?

Maybe we should be looking in that direction: development of some of our best names.

 

[Fancy.domains]

With over 350 names I barely pop over $10 a month and that revenue comes from a handful of the same names each month. The rest - nothing. 10-12 years ago those same names (more or less) were earning $600-800 per month. So, yea, to me, its dying. Its like its half-lifing... Next year I may be saying that I barely pop over $5 per month.

So....... if parking IS dead OR is dying and will be dead soon (in a couple of years?) then whats left? Affiliate sites? FBA (Amazon) and the like?

Maybe we should be looking in that direction: development of some of our best names.

I made of living out of travel related affiliate sites for 15 years, but the revenue went from 12,000 bucks a month at it's peak, down to almost zero today. I find it very hard to compete with sites such as Booking.com, Tripadvisor, or even Google.

But I get what you are saying! And there must be other affiliate niches and ideas.

 

[toughdomains]

I made of living out of travel related affiliate sites for 15 years, but the revenue went from 12,000 bucks a month at it's peak, down to almost zero today. I find it very hard to compete with sites such as Booking.com, Tripadvisor, or even Google.

But I get what you are saying! And there must be other affiliate niches and ideas.

Do you guys think you could treat your portfolio of 200 or 500 names as an ad network? Selling banner ads or blog feeds on those names? If so do you think you could find someone willing to rent your names for a month for $100 per month? could you make $500 a month with your portfolio traffic? Is this inconceivable?
I bought a few names that companies dropped then try to buy them back for a few hundred. Wouldnt it make sense to go back to them and ask for $50 per month to run their blog feed on the domain or banners for their company on the domain? totally impossible? Is it really that hard to beat $10 per month?

 

[mpls]

I update my last parking stats.
Last days, 6 clicks
......
......
$ 0
.....
6 clicks = $ 0 .
.....
.....
Is it a candid camera??

 

[biggie]

this name earned a few bucks at voodoo 3 days ago:
blankblankcredit.com 2 visitors 9 searches 3 clicks > $5.37 revenue (CTR was 150%)




imo...

 

[ResoluteDomains]

Do you guys think you could treat your portfolio of 200 or 500 names as an ad network? Selling banner ads or blog feeds on those names? If so do you think you could find someone willing to rent your names for a month for $100 per month? could you make $500 a month with your portfolio traffic? Is this inconceivable?
I bought a few names that companies dropped then try to buy them back for a few hundred. Wouldnt it make sense to go back to them and ask for $50 per month to run their blog feed on the domain or banners for their company on the domain? totally impossible? Is it really that hard to beat $10 per month?

Would welcome an extra $500/month from passive or even semi-passive domain use. Problem is, I have no idea how to get from A to B with that.

Parking is easy. Change name-servers and watch reports each day. But its fruitless these days. The thing with domains is, to me IMO, there are three sides to them:
1) try to sell (takes significant efforts)
2) park (relatively simple)
3) develop (significant effort).

I currently have my domains at Bodis and they allow me to use Google Analytics to see the traffic. I get good amount of traffic but I think a lot of it is bot traffic. Amazon AWS and OVH Hosting "Network Location" scanning my domains. I do get plenty of offers and I do make sales, but its hard for me to know what the quality traffic is versus the bot traffic. I can sort of tell which are scanning my domains each day. MSN is another. Every day, over and over with those three, and there are other bots I see too.. Ugh.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

I made of living out of travel related affiliate sites for 15 years, but the revenue went from 12,000 bucks a month at it's peak, down to almost zero today. I find it very hard to compete with sites such as Booking.com, Tripadvisor, or even Google.

But I get what you are saying! And there must be other affiliate niches and ideas.

wow! 12K per month. Nice! Gotta be a way to find something similar.