various CASINO.ONLINE gTLD sold for $201,250 on 2017-03-22 at Sedo

[RamBabuSEO]

Hi Guys,

I just got to know that CASINO.ONLINE gTLD domain sold for $201,250 on 2017-03-22 at Sedo
sales link: https://namebio.com/casino.online

Please share your views on gTLD industries.

I think gTLD truly making its ground slowly slowly towards nice growth.

 

[Brands.International]

OK. You are happy that the registries are making sales, but are you making sales ?
If you don't, then these reported sales mean nothing to your bottom line... See what I mean ?

To put it bluntly: if you're not making sales, not turning a sufficient profit, you do not have the proof of concept to convince the skeptics. Do not expect that experienced domainers will want to copycat you until there is a pattern of success
IMO it is more speculation than investment, the difference between the two is critical but domainers easily confuse the two.

@betthelot is spot on, this is nothing new at all. The script is always the same, only the players are different.

I am not here to convince anybody. Honestly I do not care if you start investing to new gTLDs or not, the same for other sceptics. All I can say is that you are missing great chance to build something valuable for you in future. Sceptics will miss the boat, that is all. Late to the party. Then they will cry that all is with high renewals, and how unfair these bad registries are

I hope you do not believe this is last big sale in new gTLDs..there will be more and more coming, and sceptics will find themself with empty hands..it is kind of saaad..

 

[Brands.International]

if it is so hot why is total sales on namebio $300 and only 1 sale from 4.cn? millions were spent and 1 sale for $100 and 1 for $200 on flippa(probably speculator).

7 figures investment, $xxx return?

Can't believe this is good business unless you are the registry...

I myself (1 person) had more sales and buys in .vip then what is total in namebio..so why you so much depend on this source? I do not report anything there and almost no one I know reports there..so your source of knowledge is very limited I think we have already discussed that at least 5 times, in different threads..you do not remember? And still you ask again and again for namebio..

 

[Kate]

Sceptics will miss the boat, that is all. Late to the party.

If there is a party going on, it is at the registries headquarters and you are not on the guest list But they are so generous that they left some crumbs for you Bon appétit

Then they will cry that all is with high renewals, and how unfair these bad registries are

Yup, truly unfair, and downright unethical.
High pricing is one thing, unpredictable pricing is a no-no. If your TLDs get repriced the Uniregistry way, you will be crying.
At least you don't have this problem with legacy extensions. .biz .info suck but they are regulated and enjoy stability that is lacking in that Wild West we've got now. Registries have been caught engaging in spamming, fraud, extortion and deception. The new environment is very unhealthy and I see a bumpy road ahead.

I hope you do not believe this is last big sale in new gTLDs..there will be more and more coming, and sceptics will find themself with empty hands..it is kind of saaad..

More registry sales You're in the wrong seat then. You'd better buy shares in the registries. But even that doesn't look like a great plan after all, because they are themselves struggling.

 

[JB Lions]

I myself (1 person) had more sales and buys in .vip then what is total in namebio..so why you so much depend on this source? I do not report anything there and almost no one I know reports there..so your source of knowledge is very limited I think we have already discussed that at least 5 times, in different threads..you do not remember? And still you ask again and again for namebio..

Report them here then:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/ntld-sales-thread-post-your-new-extension-sales-here.1008601/

because this isn't a good look - https://namebio.com/?s==EjN0cTOyETM

 

[Wannabean]

This is an odd sale. There was really no need to pay this kind of money for this domain.

Plus buyer not revealed. Sounds fishy to me.

 

[Rainmaker-NL]

I dont really get this problem with registry sales.
Registry sales only exist one time at the begining of the life cycle of a domain. The initial sale is a registry sale. After that, the domain is being owned by someone and can be bought and sold by domainers.
I thought domainers made a business out of buying and reselling domains. Or getting creative and registering names that are still free. How is this blocked if a registry holds back some names and does the first sale themselves?
If a .com domainer would start his business in 2000, should he complain that there is no business for him or her left because domainers before him/her already registered and sold the super premium names?

 

[betthelot]

This is an odd sale. There was really no need to pay this kind of money for this domain.

Plus buyer not revealed. Sounds fishy to me.

It is something I would do if I was a registry. Free publicitiy and all that happens is your money goes out of one hand through sedo into your other hand and the cost is only sedo's comission. Giving the publicity achieved thats value for money.

 

[Wannabean]

It is something I would do if I was a registry. Free publicitiy and all that happens is your money goes out of one hand through sedo into your other hand and the cost is only sedo's comission. Giving the publicity achieved thats value for money.

Until I have reason to believe otherwise this is also my take on the sale.

 

[Brands.International]

If there is a party going on, it is at the registries headquarters and you are not on the guest list But they are so generous that they left some crumbs for you Bon appétit

Yup, truly unfair, and downright unethical.
High pricing is one thing, unpredictable pricing is a no-no. If your TLDs get repriced the Uniregistry way, you will be crying.
At least you don't have this problem with legacy extensions. .biz .info suck but they are regulated and enjoy stability that is lacking in that Wild West we've got now. Registries have been caught engaging in spamming, fraud, extortion and deception. The new environment is very unhealthy and I see a bumpy road ahead.

More registry sales You're in the wrong seat then. You'd better buy shares in the registries. But even that doesn't look like a great plan after all, because they are themselves struggling.

I do not understand why you suggesting that new gTLDs investors are 'struggling", and getting 'crumbs from registries tables'. You sincerely make me laught, although I appreciate all your efforts and stamina

Remember, even that what you call 'registry crumbs' can be huge fortune for individual investors. Of course, only in case you are not left with empty hands (in case you did not make any investments). If you have empty hands, not even so called 'crumbs' will be available

 

[JB Lions]

I do not understand why you suggesting that new gTLDs investors are 'struggling", and getting 'crumbs from registries tables'. You sincerely make me laught, although I appreciate all your efforts and stamina

Remember, even that what you call 'registry crumbs' can be huge fortune for individual investors. Of course, only in case you are not left with empty hands (in case you did not make any investments). If you have empty hands, not even so called 'crumbs' will be available

Report them here then:
https://www.namepros.com/threads/ntld-sales-thread-post-your-new-extension-sales-here.1008601/

Light it up. Get that thread crankin'. Share all your .vip sales you've been posting about.

 

[Kenny]

Only 28 recorded sales in namebio.com... ?

I know reported sales are the tip of the iceberg, but the argument applies to other extensions as well, .com sales are under-reported too.

namebio :
No sales found for casinoonline.com
https://www.casinoonline.com/

No sales found for onlinecasino.com
http://www.onlinecasino.com/

Both of these are directories.

Help me out here. What are the options for dev'ing this name.
Would another directory be the enduser result for this sale as well, or was it bought by an existing online casino and use this as a redirect, or actually name a new casino Casino.Online?

If it's a new directory, it will take a boatload of capital to catch up with the well established coms.
A very big boat.

I'm no hater, I'm no lover.
I'm just wondering what will end up being built on this name.

Peace,
Cyberian

 

[Casey L]

I dont really get this problem with registry sales.
Registry sales only exist one time at the begining of the life cycle of a domain. The initial sale is a registry sale. After that, the domain is being owned by someone and can be bought and sold by domainers.
I thought domainers made a business out of buying and reselling domains. Or getting creative and registering names that are still free. How is this blocked if a registry holds back some names and does the first sale themselves?
If a .com domainer would start his business in 2000, should he complain that there is no business for him or her left because domainers before him/her already registered and sold the super premium names?

Think of it like tickets to a concert of a popular musician.

Before the tour, the musician releases their tour dates and sells tickets at a baseline price. The best seats, front row, are $250. Within seconds, scalpers buy up these tickets and flip them on Stubhub, Ticketmaster, etc for thousands. By virtue of supply and demand, they discover that $1000 is the norm for selling these tickets. Over time as the musician gains in popularity, those front row tickets can then be sold for more and more every year, but the initial cost stays the same. This is virtually how the older extensions played out, albeit over the course of 20+ years and it is continuous.

Now imagine that the musician decides to make those front row tickets $2000 from the start. By doing so, the scalpers have no room for arbitrage (profit) if the tickets are being released at a higher price than their usual market price. Over a couple years, a handful of these tickets get purchased by fans, although there is no clear pattern. So now you have the dichotomy of the musicians sitting around waiting for their overpriced seats to sell, and you have scalpers buying the bleacher seats and expecting them to sell for the price of front row seats. With no new fans being able to afford the overpriced seats, the musician fails to grow in popularity, and those overpriced seats only continue to waste away. This is virtually the same as nTLD speculating

The makes domains an investment is the creation of a marketplace by creating supply and demand. .com and the like being available to register for $10, even if Business.com if it were to drop, allows for its own form of speculation in longer domains, numeric domains, etc. nTLDs fail to create this marketplace by beginning the entire process with predetermined prices.

 

[Lox]

Share all your .vip sales

Does reporting buyers hurt sellers and entire NP community in general?

 

[JB Lions]

Does reporting buyers hurt sellers and entire NP community in general?

Sales inspire hope, if they're good. It's why you hear more about registry sales. He's not going to post his .vip sales because it will probably hurt. I imagine they're of the smaller variety like the 2 you see at Namebio. It's why not many people will actually use that thread and post their own sales.

 

[Kate]

I dont really get this problem with registry sales.

There is nothing to understand. The registries make all the sales, with few exceptions, at least sales that are noteworthy. What are the odds that the small domainer will do well ? That's the question you should be asking to yourself.

I thought domainers made a business out of buying and reselling domains. Or getting creative and registering names that are still free. How is this blocked if a registry holds back some names and does the first sale themselves?

For obvious reasons. Because the registries are hoarding the names that make sense in the extensions, and the so-called premium keywords. What's left is the tier 2 domains (and lower) where the likelihood of a sale is about zero. That's why the few reported sales are almost always registry sales, and not domainers. You don't have much of a chance.

Let's be honest, it is important to state that not all registries behave the same. Some play fair, some do not. Some are repossessing and repricing anything that moves. Even a reasonably-run TLD like .club has interfered with the drops. They make their own rules and can behave arbitrarily.

If a .com domainer would start his business in 2000, should he complain that there is no business for him or her left because domainers before him/her already registered and sold the super premium names?

The comparison is not adequate.
Competing against domainers is part of the game. I am not complaining. But competing against the registry is a totally different game where there is no level playing field.
And to add insult to injury, the registry can price you out of your domains if it decides you're having too good of a deal, and you should be paying more.

In the real world, nobody would be playing poker for example, when the poker dealer can bend the rules of the game at will, and shuffle the cards on a whim. The domain industry is the only one where this is considered acceptable. There are too many conflicts of interest and little oversight.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Yes, the gambling related domains are able to sell very high...
But that has no any impact on other niches...

 

[ambrose.xu]

if it is so hot why is total sales on namebio $300 and only 1 sale from 4.cn? millions were spent and 1 sale for $100 and 1 for $200 on flippa(probably speculator).

7 figures investment, $xxx return?

Can't believe this is good business unless you are the registry...

does namebio.com means the whole domain world ? or u just live in namebio ? i told u 99.9999% chinese domain trades did not collect by namebio

 

[168]

Desperate nTLD speculators using a registry sale as reason why their nTLDs are increasing in value is too funny.

Remember how valuable your two word .vips were going to become after those 4.cn auctions?

It's not about who sold it. It's about what an end user was willing to pay for it.

The reality is, most high value domains end up in the 2% of investors that can afford to hold out for a top price.
I often wonder why the whiners aren't complaining about the top 2% of investors hoarding most of the valuable domains.
Another reality, that domain may not have sold if it was in the hands of an investor that would be happy to wait for a better price.
I have no problem with the registries getting their product in the hands of end users. It is the most cost effective and best marketing
application toward adoption that also benefits all investors.
Cheers to the end users and investors

 

[168]

The point is: in either case domainers do not benefit. Because the larger sales are always made by the registries, few exceptions. It is like that for a reason: the registries have hoarded the names that would make sense in the TLD, or have a better chance of selling than 'average' domains.
The window of opportunity for outsiders is narrow and uncertain.
Domainers are playing in a game that is rigged and designed to keep them out of the equation.

BS
Why aren't ya whining about the top 2% investors "hoarding" most of the high value .com domains ?
Registries need to get high profile domains out to end users. Marketing 101

The domainers that invested in extensions that are being heavily promoted most certainly benefit! Take a minute to think about it.

Happy Hunting to those with foresight !

 

[168]

Says the guy trying to sell iHeart.media and TMZ.media...the ignorant stay ignorant

 

[shayan]

namebio :
No sales found for casinoonline.com
https://www.casinoonline.com/

No sales found for onlinecasino.com
http://www.onlinecasino.com/

Both of these are directories.

Help me out here. What are the options for dev'ing this name.
Would another directory be the enduser result for this sale as well, or was it bought by an existing online casino and use this as a redirect, or actually name a new casino Casino.Online?

If it's a new directory, it will take a boatload of capital to catch up with the well established coms.
A very big boat.

What do you mean "to catch up"? In what sense? Also both https://www.casinoonline.com/ and http://www.onlinecasino.com/ have very poor rankings according to Alexa fyi....[/QUOTE]

 

[Wass]

We have 2 kind of experienced domainers who have behind them 10 or 20 years of experience in domaining.
First kind of experienced domainer: they have made millions and they are rich. They are in their big house in the Maldives with 2 beautiful sexy blondes, cigar and champagne...
Second Kind of experienced domainer: Every day they lose hours and hours in the net talking bad in discussions about nGTLDs because they are afraid of nGTLDs... They have nothing better to do after 20 years of domaining... They can not do better because they have all failed. They are failing domainers with failing careers. It is sad. Very sad...
But courage failing domainers, maybe the twenty-first year in domaining will be finally your year...

 

[Domainsyrup]

Interesting

 

[nomen]

♫ Supporters to the left of me, haters to the right
Here I am, stuck in the middle with you ♫

 

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