I lost $5805usd through PayPal scam by Shane Bellone

[12no3]

Many of my friend suggested me to post this on namepros so others will less likely to be scamed by shane.

So on 2016-09-26 and 2016-09-27 he bought 374 cvcv.in names and 471 cvcv.in names all together 845 .in names together. (these are random cvcv.in)
together he paid me on paypal 5805 usd.

I pushed the domain to him, then everything is fine. the deal was made through whatsapp chat.
deal closed.
then I saw him selling them on .in markect group, flipped some for higher price.

until 27the decenmber when i log in to my paypal to make another purchase, i see paypal refunded 5805 back to him, then i look up my email, i saw paypal disput which i completed missed.
buyer claim reason: NOT AS DESCRIBED! (this is after he sold and transfer out some of those)

I did not know paypal had this 3 months rules where buyer can claim the money back, and becuase i do not log on paypal so often and get xxx amount of emails every days, so i missed the window that i could have argued with paypal. but well lesson learned.

Some infomation of shane so other can avoid being scamed by him
http://this_username_was_banned.com/
http://www.domainsherpa.com/shane-bellone-itmagazine-interview/
http://tldinvestors.com/2016/05/shane-bellone-saying-goodbye-to-domaining.html
http://omarandwill.com/interview-with-the-expert-volume-2-featuring-shane-bellone/
https://www.facebook.com/app_scoped_user_id/10154332611129273
https://www.linkedin.com/in/this_username_was_banned
https://twitter.com/this_username_was_banned


good news is after I provided all the evidence to the registrar, the registrar moved the remaining (ones he did not sold or transfer out) to my account, so at least i got something back.

Becuareful when using paypal,and becuareful when you trade any domain that was processed by shane.

During the process of getting the unsold domains by shane, I had great help from .in whatsapp group, so special thx who provide information and also special thx to shiva , kemji, alexa and indy who tried to contact shane for me, but he went dark, not picking his cell phone, does not respond back on whatsapp nor linkedin.

 

[aceeca]

Looking at the plain facts, the OP has been scammed and lost money. The only mistake OP did was not to check email during the time chargeback was made on Paypal.

If Shane is innocent as his minnows here claim to be why the freaking hell doesn't he respond to calls & WA messages ? Why????? Shane has time to update his twitter feed BUT no freaking time to respond to messages.

Attaching SCREENSHOTS of Shane's twitter feed

 

[DnFolk]

This is a clear cut fraud. I'm also added on that whatsapp group and know about it from OP when the scam happened. OP and so many others tried to contact Shane politely about it, gave so much time, many days, weeks but no response. I'm baffled to see that some people here are ranting on OP for silly irrelevant things and taking side of shane in spite of all obvious evident visible proof that how OP has been scammed by him.

PS one more lesson for us to not select paypal as payment method for large amount.

 

[dordomai]

deez007 said: ↑
EDIT:

So I initially complimented the OP for his patience...

But now! - I found this:
http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Shane...Bellone-Launches-Fish-Stick-Shane-Bel-1304961

The Op says on this thread that his transaction happened on 2016/09

Why is then that ripoffreport complained was posted on 2016/05 and it's the exact word for word copy of what the OP posted here?

this is unrelated to this discussion... has to do with Flippa.. I think last year some folks got angry because there were threads about Dicker and Flippa from Shane and that pissed some people off and they went on to create these ShaneSucks ShaneScam sites and entries as a revenge.

 

[slader23]

If Shane wasn't guilty he'd be making damn sure everyone here know that he is innocent. Hiding from the truth is a telltale sign of someone in the wrong. In business, reputation and being a man/woman of your word are paramount to having successful deals and relationships. The OP has provided all the evidence required to make a sound judgement and Shane, the opposition, has failed to defend himself fully knowing that the OP has created this thread. There are no two ways around this, if he is not defending himself with this thread out there for all domainers to see.....he is the one that is guilty and rightfully so.

The OP is a domainer that operates on a level much higher than most domainers replying on this thread and his post should be a lesson to all of us not just about when to/when not to use paypal but also the fact that shady actions are intolerable at every level of business. I mean seriously I can't believe someone had the audacity to say that to a millionaire a loss like this is forgettable....It doesn't matter how rich you are if you are present for all steps of a transaction be it selling a plane or selling replica mickey mouse watches on a street corner in mumbai, your going to be pissed if you get scammed by a buyer and make damn sure everyone knows about it, so they don't make the same mistake.


This thread is the product of Shane's actions don't forget that.

 

[Addison]

Shane Bellone Thinks It's Ok To Bypass Broker.

 

[Jeff Weller]

Seller is always wrong by default in PayPal.
Never forget about that.

I've posted this Paypal advice before but for any of you with irregular Paypal transactions it may help. It could have helped the seller here.

Jurgen Wolf's post politely describe's Paypal's position on everything. To be fair to Paypal - Paypal's user agreement has to in many ways piggyback their agreement with the credit card companies and historically they (especially Amex) favor the card user. But just so you understand how one sided it is....

We first got charged back by Paypal on merchandise going back 15 years ago. If you live with Paypal you must have a 2nd "sweep" bank account that they don't have access to. Move your balance to the sweep account immediately and never leave money in Paypal. These days many US banks offer free no service charge accounts so a 2nd sweep account is easy.
Is it foolproof ? Not if you are constantly getting Paypal funds. If they can't grab enough to recover the chargeback from funds in your account or your back up source they will disable your account until the matter is resolved or you pay up. Make sure your backup funding source is a controlled minimum amount.
All you may do by this method is prevent them from charging you back one time but if your account is closed you obviously have to find another payment method.
The $5805 loss here is a common story.
There are many. People have lost businesses and worse.
Go to PaypalSucksdotcom to read some nightmares.
The Paypal user agreement and online dispute form now is so one sided against the merchant/seller that if you deliver physical merchandise, someone can receive it, replace the contents with rocks, ship it back with tracking and once the tracking is confirmed as being received by the merchant - the buyer/scammer will immediately be credited and the merchant charged back. If you are a small seller with no dedicated account rep - good luck trying to fight it.

If this doesn't scare the crap out of you - it should.

 

[wwwweb]

So you had removed all your funds from
your PayPal account, and now you are at a negative balance?

Your source county for recourse is India?

I don't see how they will recover the funds, most likely a write off for them, unless you make them whole?

 

[dordomai]

Paypal is scary. Now they want you to agree to that they can charge your bank account. I removed my linked bank accounts for that reason. Don't want to give a scammer direct or indirect access to my bank account.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Even if PayPal will launch their services in Ukraine in full (+Receiving and +Withdraw) - I will continue to use Wires...
PayPal for me - is just to receive the parking revenue.

 

[LucidDomains]

Whether he is a scammer or not, he insults all of China when his transaction goes bad.

Racist troll comes to mind.

And you gave this guy a PRO badge..

 

[kriss05]

never trust a communist

 

[maxtorz]

There's a new trend started in recent years:

1.people become "domainers" overnight
2.they have ridiculous "success" for 1year or so
3.when the year is UP, they "retire from domaining"
4.they start various "sites" every other month with no success

I call this the "Walk of -Shane-"...and only because instead of maning up and explaining himself he resumed to racism and profanity.
I guess desperate times makes people do desperate things....ohh the Shame!

 

[Michael M]

There is no way to know with certainty what has transpired here, but it surely would be useful for the accused to give some sort of coherent response.

Ummm... Ok. So you have been accused of theft and that is how you choose to respond? Odd.

It would also be interesting to have the issue of the 42 missing domains cleared up.

Also, I must admit that it is very off that in a deal that ended up with a reported charge-back and domain theft that the email used to pay for the transaction contained the words "throwaway" As in, throwaway email account. Adds another level of suspicion to the situation.

Reputation means a lot in this business, especially when dealing in 4+ figure transactions. I would imagine it would behoove Shane to respond coherently if he is in fact innocent.

 

[LucidDomains]

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Whether he is a scammer or not, he insults all of China when his transaction goes bad.

Racist troll comes to mind.

And you gave this guy a PRO badge..

@Eric Lyon, I understand his account his closed, but why does he still have the PRO badge? Remove that badge from his closed account, there are some PRO members in this forum I do respect and are worthy of having the badge. Ask yourself, is this guy one of them? Does he have all your required qualities listed...

To become a PRO...

You must meet all the criteria below:

• Professional
• Respectful
• Trustworthy
• Sincere
• Honest
• Ethical
• Vouched for by a PRO member.

 

[Addison]

You didn't respond to the PayPal dispute b/c you knew you were dead wrong. You were hoping that it got dropped based on the failed disputes on 'intangible items' clause that PayPal stuck by until a few months ago.

Why do you sound so emotionally involved and flustered?

Are you business partners with Mr. Bellone? Your unwavering devotion to him is confounding.

 

[slader23]

Why do you sound so emotionally involved and flustered?

Are you business partners with Mr. Bellone? Your unwavering devotion to him is confounding.

More likely he is being used as a proxy to discredit the validity of the OP's evidence.

 

[Duomain]

Shane has time to update his twitter BUT no time to respond to messages. Someone will die without Twitter, like Trump? Funny...

 

[ghcomp]

I need a broker, I can't deal with this stress

 

[rh2000]

I am cofunder of 190.com. So I did not want to mention any other platforms,and tbh it is kinda embrassing for me to get scamed.
I spend millions of millions usd on domaining.
so no reason for me to make fake news or make quick cash as shane friend blog mentioned. I do not want to draw attention to myself, I am a quiet person, I only posted this to warn people to avoid the bad thing that happened to me

 

[Keith]

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Whether he is a scammer or not, he insults all of China when his transaction goes bad.

Racist troll comes to mind.

And you gave this guy a PRO badge..

If the Chinese made mousetrap was defective, it would be perfectly safe to stick your dick in it. He didn't think that one thru.

Also, PayPal isn't the problem. I just did a $10k deal via them and mainly use them because they're quick/cheap. Do your homework before each deal and you'll be fine.

As to this thread - Shane should reply. If it was the Adam thread he'd be chiming in.

 

[MasterOfMyDomains]

Thanks for thee entertainment everyone. And such a vast assortment of opinions.
Many ass/u/me not me
Something doesnt smell right, the facts will come out.
So glad many of you got to take your frustrations of Shane out on this thread.
We havent heard from thee one yet, that should be another 100 posts.
If I had to decide guilty or innocent, I pick innocent.
I base my decision on a few facts? I have read, and prior experiences.
So thee bottom line is people just look for a reason to bash here, not just Shane,
yes he may be guilty
there is a good chance, but until the facts come out clearer, after the dicker thing, I will reserve the motion to pass judgement.

 

[aceeca]

Why isn't Shane responding, anyone can answer this question ???????

 

[Aaron.A]

I find it hard to believe anybody would set out to scam without hiding their true identity, especially Shane as he created a similar thread and saw first hand what it could do to someones reputation.

Innocent until proven guilty in my eyes.

 

[ResoluteDomains]

Seller is always wrong by default in PayPal.
Never forget about that.

So true.

 

[tha-she]

I find it hard to believe anybody would set out to scam without hiding their true identity, especially Shane as he created a similar thread and saw first hand what it could do to someones reputation.

Innocent until proven guilty in my eyes.

A good point, but in my eyes: Porven guilty until he shows up here AND REPLIES HIMSELF.

I could not think of a single person i know to not defend their own reputation.

If you are accused of any Wrong Doing, you show up yourself and post your side of the story... even if its just that single post, but to just not reply is childish and tells tales all on its own.

Then this: maybe i missed something but did @12no3 proove hes claimed identity to the staff? Absolutetly no accusation intended but that would add allot of credibility to hes side of the story imo.