new gtlds Why "the new gTLDs haters" lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions???

[Wass]

Why "the new gTLDs haters" lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions???

If there is a bad news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs haters" tell us that the news is true...
If there is a good news for new gTLDs, "the new gTLDs haters" tell us that the news is false...

And these haters work like as a team...
And I have the feeling that the new gTLD discussions are very very very important for them. Why???

Why they lose so much time if they are not investors????

If you are a new gTLD hater, this question is for you:
Why you lose hours and hours in new gTLDs discussions???
And why this topic is very important for you???
Of course, you know why but you can not tell us the truth...

 

[wwwweb]

I have pointed it out several times on this forum that some registries somehow lately "woke up" and started to protect their premium combos much more intensively now.

But what would you expect : for example, auction price for .WEB was more then 130 mil USD..so should we realistically expect that premium keywords in .WEB would be for 40 USD each? Each new gTLD in my opinion has only limited numbers of premium combos which makes sense and are great from business point of view (how much? lets say 100 for those more specific, maybe 1000 for those more general like .online or .vip?) and if you do not protect them with higher pricing, they would be gone in first minutes of GA. In that case you could basically buy with 100*40 USD = 4000 USD huge part of overall value of .WEB which costed > 130 mil. So nobody in their right might would expect that there will be just standard pricing everywhere. Registries are not charities they are business organisations, they do it for profit.

What is key here is to identify combos which are of great value, and to buy them for standard renewals.
I did lot of analysis and I can tell you there are lot of gaps. Registries also only consists of people, and the list of keywords they protect depends on how clever those people are. Usually there are clever, but there are still gaps. So yes, registries which paid millions in dollars will hold most of premium combos by themselves, but if domainers invest time and effort, they can find and buy some gems too even now, it is not that difficult.

Like in most cases pioneers get slaughtered. If you are a true domainer you know the costs of holding a portfolio, the type of cashflow against the size of your portfolio.

Such formulas do not work with unknown extensions, the domainer is at a disadvantage with .web, to many people have a hard on for a ill defined extension that has many similar alternatives such as .net .online .xyz etc..

After paying $130M, they will probably have a one time premium, then revert to regular renewal, for instance cars.web could cost $10,000 then revert to $10 renewal.

There are just to many alternatives, the registry does not need the domainer, they can be the domainer themselves, they are not in a cash crunch, they can take their time.

 

[wwwweb]

You guys want to see the type of people buying gtld's they are clueless, check out this thread

https://www.namepros.com/threads/q-v-f-l-com-com-4l-com-bin-224.967838/#post-5700009

they are stuck, and spamming names like investment.pet because they are stuck without any buyers, and renewals due

 

[wwwweb]

I have pointed it out several times on this forum that some registries somehow lately "woke up" and started to protect their premium combos much more intensively now.

But what would you expect : for example, auction price for .WEB was more then 130 mil USD..so should we realistically expect that premium keywords in .WEB would be for 40 USD each? Each new gTLD in my opinion has only limited numbers of premium combos which makes sense and are great from business point of view (how much? lets say 100 for those more specific, maybe 1000 for those more general like .online or .vip?) and if you do not protect them with higher pricing, they would be gone in first minutes of GA. In that case you could basically buy with 100*40 USD = 4000 USD huge part of overall value of .WEB which costed > 130 mil. So nobody in their right might would expect that there will be just standard pricing everywhere. Registries are not charities they are business organisations, they do it for profit.

What is key here is to identify combos which are of great value, and to buy them for standard renewals.
I did lot of analysis and I can tell you there are lot of gaps. Registries also only consists of people, and the list of keywords they protect depends on how clever those people are. Usually there are clever, but there are still gaps. So yes, registries which paid millions in dollars will hold most of premium combos by themselves, but if domainers invest time and effort, they can find and buy some gems too even now, it is not that difficult.

You are correct in 2014, many good keywords were still available for reg fee, 2015 a little bit less, and 2016 even less.

They have created a master list of keywords they just block, or mark premium, so when a new extension rolls out, they may mark it premium, and revisit it later for removal, or price reduction.

I see you are attempting to list many gtld's on namepros with little success, I have seen many gtld's here which people paid hundreds of dollars in EAP, or premium renewal resell for pennies on the dollar.

I don't envy what is ahead of you with that size of portfolio, and some of your keyword selection, against your upcoming renewals.

Sorry for being blunt, but nobody in their right mind is going to pay what you are asking for at namepros:

Advanced.Center 9600 $
FreeSms.Center 9600 $
LuxuryHotels.Center 2400 $
Pirate.Center 1800 $
Premier.Center 9600 $
Subscribe.Center 4800 $

 

[ZapNano]

most of your reasoning are more focus on negativities and concerns; how bout some positive out look etc..

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Unfortunately, positive outlook doesn't help to sell...

 

[ZapNano]

I see.

 

[ZapNano]

Negativities & more concerns helps sell speed up.

 

[Brands.International]

You are correct in 2014, many good keywords were still available for reg fee, 2015 a little bit less, and 2016 even less.

They have created a master list of keywords they just block, or mark premium, so when a new extension rolls out, they may mark it premium, and revisit it later for removal, or price reduction.

I see you are attempting to list many gtld's on namepros with little success, I have seen many gtld's here which people paid hundreds of dollars in EAP, or premium renewal resell for pennies on the dollar.

I don't envy what is ahead of you with that size of portfolio, and some of your keyword selection, against your upcoming renewals.

Sorry for being blunt, but nobody in their right mind is going to pay what you are asking for at namepros:

Advanced.Center 9600 $
FreeSms.Center 9600 $
LuxuryHotels.Center 2400 $
Pirate.Center 1800 $
Premier.Center 9600 $
Subscribe.Center 4800 $

I would say it is better not to discuss personal portfolios here, and getting too personal. Anybody can pick portfolio of anyone and start saying this is too expensive, this is nonsense, etc, and the discussion would be, of course, endless. If something looks too expensive for you, it does not mean it will be too expensive for everyone else.

I agree with you that many people are reselling here their very good new gTLDs domains for penny prices. I think they are doing big mistake, but if such a sale is available, of course, I will happily buy it. I have acquired here some very good domain names for really funny prices. As I wrote several times, buy good combos cheaply, and sell then expensive, otherwise it does not make sense.

 

[ZapNano]

Never stop improving= there is still huge $$$ potential. And it's said by me.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Negativities & more concerns helps sell speed up.

I don't think that investor must make decisions under emotions at all... regardless if they are negative or positive...

 

[Fancy.domains]

To get good new gTLDs you'll will have to spend time looking for them. I just sold my 25th new gTLD in 2016. I only count the sales starting from $XXX, and above.

I don't love or hate them more than .COM names, or any digital commodities, for that matter. I just try to buy good ones cheap and sell them for a higher price. Just as any business model.

 

[ZapNano]

If I just consider just part of the whole, I might agree. But my weakness always drive me to the 360.whole.

 

[wwwweb]

The problem is these guys are
Emotionally invested, they see big terms
Sell in .com, then they back up the truck and say well if BuyPyjamasOnline.com can sell for $1000, then why can't BuyPyjamas.Online sell for $500.

Having a diverse portfolio, I tried this scenario with .com inquiries which offers fell short. I would register the matching gtld, but they wouldn't even take it for $50, or $100, as they felt it was a knock off. They just weren't interested.

I still think some good terms can be sold for decent profit, but some of the stuff I am seeing registered, and quoted is not realistic by any standard.

I am not going off what I believe, I am going off 2.5 years of inquiries, and talking with potential buyers, and how the renewal premium affects cash flow against carrying cost.

The outlook is negative from an investor outlook going forward. I will repeat if you secured good names early on, there is still
Potential there.

When I say good names I mean names like Auto.Repair etc... Not MyAuto.Repair

 

[biggie]

Why "the new gTLDs haters" lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions???

cuz, maybe they bought some .tel and they didn't sell

cuz, maybe they used to own .mobi and got whaled?

cuz maybe they invested in .pw and got their pants wet?

cuz maybe they bought a lot of .ws and fell for that mess?

cuz, maybe now, they just wanna keep others from making some bad choices



imo....

 

[ZapNano]

Buy.online= $$$$

"Pyjamas".online= questionable
"Buypyjamas".online= more competition

 

[ZapNano]

Sad but true; those selected extensions I don't have.

 

[wwwweb]

Buy.online= $$$$

"Pyjamas".online= questionable
"Buypyjamas".online= more compition

You keep talking out of your ass, you carry no weight or fact.

Just stupid remarks.

Sorry, but someone needed to say it.

Trust me I own more GTLDs than you, since day 1 when .ventures etc... went live.

I have to be honest with myself, i know what is good, and what is not good. When I have a chance to sell, and exit, I act upon it.

With my .com, I am not as quick to give them away.

You can't just show up, and apply 15 years of .com fundamental to alternate extensions, many would have you believe that, but those are the same people profiting from your carrying costs.

People only care about sales, not what ifs.

There was that lady from Monaco who paid big money for limo and estate domains, she inquired on one of my domains, she wasn't interested in buying it, but she wanted to unload her GTLDs that she got caught up in.

 

[ZapNano]

You claimed your investments of this and that are better than the rest of investors; you cut down and put more negativities on other investors and calling them negative words. This still does not proved that you are top.seller. Or else you will not be here telling how good you are than the rest of investors. Your approach.weak

 

[ZapNano]

Fact or zero fact; the world is moving forward; and will never go back 30years ago. Keep basing your tracked 30years ago, while we are now approaching 2017! And still using 30years approach; because it has 30years of tracked record. This is an old part ass!! No and no. The Power of IS right.now!

 

[wwwweb]

You claimed your investments of this and that are better than the rest of investors; you cut down and put more negativities on other investors and calling them negative words. This still does not proved that you are top.seller. Or else you will not be here telling how good you are than the rest of investors. Your approach.weak

What have you proved, showed up yesterday talking big profits, yet 0 sales.

I know your a joke, and this time next year you will still be saying the same BS.

Anyone can pay a premium to register a domain in 2016, and keep paying 3-4 figure premiums every year there after, it is not a natural demand. It is artificially created demand on the back of .com.

Feel free to share your sales, yet you have none.

Yes, I have a large portfolio of GTLDs, and .com, so when I talk negative I hurt myself, but I hurt myself more if I am not honest with myself.

Stick around for 10 years then let me know how things are going.

 

[ZapNano]

The Only Fact about business is $$$$$$!!! The rest is.trash.

 

[wwwweb]

The Only Fact about business is $$$$$$!!! The rest is.trash.

Yes, and to date you are not making any, so what does that make you?

 

[ZapNano]

In less than one year of collecting names, I could of made sells and made good profits. Hovever, I don't do whammies sale; this because I know my dn are worth more now and they can benefits from it for years to come. Few days ago, I just invented a name related to the Internet things. And got some visitors already. Don't underestimate people that just started domaining yesterday. That this approach is.weak

 

[ZapNano]

Do I need to make an emergency sell for; remember this was only my hobby. And I couldn't care if I make a sale or never make a sale. All I know I have collected some great names. And again, I don't do whammies sales.

 

[wwwweb]

In less than one year of collecting names, I could of made sells and made good profits. Hovever, I don't do whammies sale; this because I know my dn are worth more now and they can benefits from it for years to come. Few days ago, I just invented a name related to the Internet things. And got some visitors already. Don't underestimate people that just started domaining yesterday. That this approach is.weak

You got bots visiting you, what else you got?

You got what ifs, nothing concrete, next thing you will be telling me you invented the internet.

You need to understand something about sales, just because they are there one day, doesn't mean they are there the next day, or a year down the road. It could take 10 years to find the next buyer, or maybe never again.

You can preach to the choir here all you want, but unless you have sales you have nothing.