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Whiskey.com
Auction on Flippa currently has 10bids and is at $2,000,000
Auction on Flippa currently has 10bids and is at $2,000,000
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I hate dancing but love fishing, especially when it's for the truth.Some people like dancing for the attention.
I hate dancing but love fishing, especially when it's for the truth.
Can't rely on parking sites and brokers to get the job done. Selling domains is the owners full responsibility, just like running a clean business is the owners responsibility.A lot of people blame the platform...talk to some of the most successful sellers on Flippa, they all have one thing in common. They know how to sell. Talk to some of the least successful people on Flippa...they all have one thing in common...they blame the platform.
Can't rely on parking sites and brokers to get the job done. Selling domains is the owners full responsibility, just like running a clean business is the owners responsibility.
Domaining is shady across the board and it's unfortunate. The almighty dollar makes individuals and companies make poor choices.
The problem is, some people assume they know the truth already. They stand high on their pedestal and look down on a platform they've had no success with. Well, I can tell you, from my experience..."your" success on Flippa is greatly dependent on "your" ability to sell.
A lot of people blame the platform...talk to some of the most successful sellers on Flippa, they all have one thing in common. They know how to sell. Talk to some of the least successful people on Flippa...they all have one thing in common...they blame the platform.
There is a lot of shady things in the business, much like there is with all businesses. The best part about domaining is that you can choose to be the good guy. Money is money, regardless if you are doing business right you will make it. Some people just let the greed of more get the best of them and that's when things get ugly
Whiskey.com
Auction on Flippa currently has 10bids and is at $2,000,000
Yep got Whisky.click and Whiskey.click for $10 each todays hand regged !
Gotta be worth a punt !
Some people like dancing for the attention.
is now an authorized Flippa Domains broker. Any questions about that, you can bring them to me.
Some intermediate guys with special skills in selling something is the definition of brokers.
And if a broker tries to sell something I believe that the broker must pay for those upgrades, right?
@ImageAuthors If the things you say are true, let's see what @FlippaDomains has to say about this. I was being ironic regarding the 'special skills'.
Kevin, my own conclusion about Flippa has been this:
Flippa gives privileged marketing to a small group of sellers over and over again. This helps create the impression that "If those guys can succeed, then so can I".
In reality, Flippa's top-visibility spots are often taken up by a privileged group of sellers and by shill bidders who climb the "most active" ladder through fraudulent activities of their own (for which Flippa is not directly responsible).
Ordinary Flippa customers must pay a variety of extra fees to get their auctions seen. Essentially, these fees are Flippa's real business model. I'm guessing they account for much more revenue than percentage-based commissions from auctions that actually succeed.
6 or 12 months ago, the playing field on Flippa used to be much more level, much more fair. But in the past months, the market place has become increasingly lopsided.
In fact, the selling situation at Flippa has become so absurdly skewed that a few special Flippa sellers will contact the rest of us and tell us that we need to let them list our domains because of all the special perks they get and all the "watchers" they've accumulated.
That isn't brokerage. It's just a few people with head-of-the-line privileges shaking down the rest of Flippa customers who must stand in line behind them. Frankly, it's ridiculous.
As time goes by, the situation on Flippa will become less and less fair, less and less competitive. Why? Because people with premium domains will be convinced to give their domains to some special Flippa seller so that he can list it for them -- pretty much as they would have done themselves -- and skim off an additional 15%.
Why do those guys get that extra 15%? Not because of any special outreach they're doing. No, their "brokerage" pitch to sellers is based on the special perks they get (and the sellers can't get) from Flippa management and on the watchers they've accumulated as a result of those special perks. The deck is stacked against normal sellers.
If the owners of good domains would list their stuff themselves on Flippa, then they'd accumulate a list of "watchers" themselves. But, as things are, they simply cannot get seen! Not unless they pay for a long list of add-ons to show up alongside the special privileged sellers. Not unless they ask their friends to place lots of fake bids below the reserve.
So what happens? Premium domain owners get sucked in to the idea of letting a privileged class of Flippa sellers act as a layer between themselves and any possible success on the platform. Those sellers scrape off an extra 15% just for creating listings, which is exorbitant and unearned, in my opinion. And worst of all for Flippa customers, all the "watchers" that would have gone to them go instead to the "broker" who stands first in line. So over time, their own sales and their own success contributes to making the playing field at Flippa more unequal!
It's a very bad deal for Flippa customers. Simply atrocious, in my opinion.
Am I bitter? No, I don't think so. 6 to 12 months ago, I had some decent sales at Flippa. But since then the selling environment has gone downhill. Really downhill.
Not worth $9 to list anything. It's too much of an uphill battle to get seen -- and an increasingly unnatural uphill battle, tilted more and more steeply due to Flippa management desicions.
Kevin, I like you personally. And I've even received some free promotional upgrades in the past, which I appreciate. Auctions and sales are always hit or miss. But Flippa is stacking the deck AGAINST regular customers.
I stopped listing at Flippa not because stuff wasn't selling (from time to time it still sells if you're lucky enough to be seen through the shill bids and special "brokers" with front-of-the-line privileges). I stopped selling because I felt like I was jogging and Flippa kept tilting the slope up. At this point, selling at Flippa for most of us is like running up a 70-degree incline. Unless we agree to give 15% to special sellers with access to attention.
I certainly wouldn't want to pay extra just to even things up on a basically unequal platform. And as for surrendering to a special class of Flippa brokers in order to get a normal degree of visibility, count me out!
All of you waiting for my response, thanks for your patience. I've been tending to some pressing matters, but plan on weighing in on all of this today.
Strange way to list bidders... they are listed Bidder n where n is position? Not by order they started bidding? Does this mean the bidder history gets redone each time a different bidder makes the highest bid?
Everyone is waiting with bated breath or maybe moved on to more interesting things. I'm not sure. I can't speak for everyone but I'm pretty sure that I had forgotten this thread existed but I see it's up to a whopping not reserve making $85,000 which has been made by a bidder 1 who has previously spent the vast fortune of $201 on prior auctions. Hopefully bidder 2 will outdo his previous activity to outbid him...
Maybe bidder 9 will come back...
Strange way to list bidders... they are listed Bidder n where n is position? Not by order they started bidding? Does this mean the bidder history gets redone each time a different bidder makes the highest bid?
I agree it is strange, I have always hated it. I think NameJet does pretty well with bidders having bidding id's, for an industry that cries out for transparency from Google, parking providers and everyone else on the planet, it would be nice to see it practice what it preaches.
Kevin, my own conclusion about Flippa has been this:
Flippa gives privileged marketing to a small group of sellers over and over again. This helps create the impression that "If those guys can succeed, then so can I".
In reality, Flippa's top-visibility spots are often taken up by a privileged group of sellers and by shill bidders who climb the "most active" ladder through fraudulent activities of their own (for which Flippa is not directly responsible).
Ordinary Flippa customers must pay a variety of extra fees to get their auctions seen. Essentially, these fees are Flippa's real business model. I'm guessing they account for much more revenue than percentage-based commissions from auctions that actually succeed.
6 or 12 months ago, the playing field on Flippa used to be much more level, much more fair. But in the past months, the market place has become increasingly lopsided.
In fact, the selling situation at Flippa has become so absurdly skewed that a few special Flippa sellers will contact the rest of us and tell us that we need to let them list our domains because of all the special perks they get and all the "watchers" they've accumulated.
That isn't brokerage. It's just a few people with head-of-the-line privileges shaking down the rest of Flippa customers who must stand in line behind them. Frankly, it's ridiculous.
As time goes by, the situation on Flippa will become less and less fair, less and less competitive. Why? Because people with premium domains will be convinced to give their domains to some special Flippa seller so that he can list it for them -- pretty much as they would have done themselves -- and skim off an additional 15%.
Why do those guys get that extra 15%? Not because of any special outreach they're doing. No, their "brokerage" pitch to sellers is based on the special perks they get (and the sellers can't get) from Flippa management and on the watchers they've accumulated as a result of those special perks. The deck is stacked against normal sellers.
If the owners of good domains would list their stuff themselves on Flippa, then they'd accumulate a list of "watchers" themselves. But, as things are, they simply cannot get seen! Not unless they pay for a long list of add-ons to show up alongside the special privileged sellers. Not unless they ask their friends to place lots of fake bids below the reserve.
So what happens? Premium domain owners get sucked in to the idea of letting a privileged class of Flippa sellers act as a layer between themselves and any possible success on the platform. Those sellers scrape off an extra 15% just for creating listings, which is exorbitant and unearned, in my opinion. And worst of all for Flippa customers, all the "watchers" that would have gone to them go instead to the "broker" who stands first in line. So over time, their own sales and their own success contributes to making the playing field at Flippa more unequal!
It's a very bad deal for Flippa customers. Simply atrocious, in my opinion.
Am I bitter? No, I don't think so. 6 to 12 months ago, I had some decent sales at Flippa. But since then the selling environment has gone downhill. Really downhill.
Not worth $9 to list anything. It's too much of an uphill battle to get seen -- and an increasingly unnatural uphill battle, tilted more and more steeply due to Flippa management desicions.
Kevin, I like you personally. And I've even received some free promotional upgrades in the past, which I appreciate. Auctions and sales are always hit or miss. But Flippa is stacking the deck AGAINST regular customers.
I stopped listing at Flippa not because stuff wasn't selling (from time to time it still sells if you're lucky enough to be seen through the shill bids and special "brokers" with front-of-the-line privileges). I stopped selling because I felt like I was jogging and Flippa kept tilting the slope up. At this point, selling at Flippa for most of us is like running up a 70-degree incline. Unless we agree to give 15% to special sellers with access to attention.
I certainly wouldn't want to pay extra just to even things up on a basically unequal platform. And as for surrendering to a special class of Flippa brokers in order to get a normal degree of visibility, count me out!
No, it's by order they bid in.
Clearly not. Bidder 1 is leading. Bidder 9 was the first bid. It's weird.
I think bidder n is not exactly great for transparency - some places do that and switch out to the userids on completion. Obviously, some people don't like people to track what they are bidding on either so I can understand it both ways. Given that you are a platform and not an auctioneer you try to remove any legal liability so it doesn't matter... but it's not the most intuitive way of assigning ids. Usually bidder 1 would be the first bid and all his subsequent bids would be under that alias.
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