RON PAUL - Why is he being ignored?

[GILSAN]

As a foreigner I've always been interested in American politics because it affects the rest of the world. I've always looked up to American's strong belief in freedom but in the last 10-15 years I notice that the American Mainstream Media (MSM) have taken control of the majority of the population's minds and have decided who should win the candidacy both for the Democrats and Republicans.

And this brainwashing seems to get worse all the time. Three years ago the MSM decided that Obama should be the winner and so they where very biased against Hilary Clinton. Result; The media and Obama won.

Now with the Republican nomination the Media is even worse as they seem to have already chosen Mitt Romney to win. What really amazes me is how the Media has totally ignored Ron Paul who appears to be the 2nd most popular candidate, despite the fact that he is being ignored. Just imagine if they (MSM) were to talk about him; He'd probably be the front runner.

Could this (ignoring Ron Paul) be due to to the fact that the MSM is controlled by Jews and they don't like the fact that Ron Paul has said the he would stop Foreign aid to Israel and the rest of the world. Or are they afraid that Ron Paul has the the best chance of beating Obama, therefore by choosing Romney, Obama will obviously have a better chance to win.

What amazes me is that the media is not even being discreet about ignoring RP. Whatever happened to the unbiased American media that the world so much admired?

 

[firefly]

Why would you find it shocking that the United States wants to save millions of lives?

No one wants to start a war, and this whole mess could be ended by Iran simply by allowing inspectors in to verify their peaceful intentions. But, Iran cannot do that, because they do not have peaceful intentions. So, Iran has to hope that gullible people will continue to push for a delayed reaction from the West until it is too late.

[ame]http://youtu.be/gXwejQJzrJQ[/ame]

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What are you talking about, haha. It's reality. The video is a joke.

Are you even aware that all the "bound" delegates actually aren't...lol.

You are funny

Go and watch some more CNN and Fox news. :D

BTW...just because I haven't been here active in this thread doesn't mean I don't know what side is up. But you show that you are very good at making assumptions with no actual proof so that is ok.

 

[JB Lions]

"Go and watch some more CNN and Fox news."

Go watch more YouTube videos by guys too lazy to know what they're even talking about, that makes more sense right.

It's like the YouTube video posted by Gilsan earlier he read the title:

"16,022 Ron Paul Votes Stolen by Voting Machines.. Watch Diebold Machine in ACTION!"

and stopped. Problem was, it was the wrong title, video was talking about Bush/Gore.

YouTube videos, Ron Paul fan's trusted source of information, yay.

 

[firefly]

"Go and watch some more CNN and Fox news."

Go watch more YouTube videos by guys too lazy to know what they're even talking about, that makes more sense right.

It's like the YouTube video posted by Gilsan earlier he read the title:

"16,022 Ron Paul Votes Stolen by Voting Machines.. Watch Diebold Machine in ACTION!"

and stopped. Problem was, it was the wrong title, video was talking about Bush/Gore.

YouTube videos, Ron Paul fan's trusted source of information, yay.

Yes...more assumptions...lmao, because that is where I get my ideas soley from obviously. Assume away. I know what I know and you obviously don't.

 

[NostraDomainus]

I heard a quote yesterday on CNN about America only chooses the 'right' path after exhausting all other paths.

They said it in gist, but it seems rather accurate imho.

All the best with your elections!

 

[RogueWriter]

I heard a quote yesterday on CNN about America only chooses the 'right' path after exhausting all other paths.

They said it in gist, but it seems rather accurate imho.

All the best with your elections!

Excellent name, btw, love it. At first I thought it was Notre Domainus, which is almost as good, heh.

 

[GILSAN]

The MSM had already decided from the beginning that Mitt Romney was the candidate the Republicans should choose to battle it out with Obama.

Ron Paul was like a stone in the shoe, an invisible man, the 13th floor in a building, as far as the MSM was concerned.

Americans should be ashamed of their MSM. They are controlling your thoughts and they are dangerous because they are so powerful. So many countries would love to have a Ron Paul and here you are, totally ignoring him thanks to your useless completely biased MSM

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL-_mj5gV-A"]Mainstream Media is Brain Washing You - YouTube.flv - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JB Lions]

The MSM had already decided from the beginning that Mitt Romney was the candidate the Republicans should choose to battle it out with Obama.

Ron Paul was like a stone in the shoe, an invisible man, the 13th floor in a building, as far as the MSM was concerned.

Americans should be ashamed of their MSM. They are controlling your thoughts and they are dangerous because they are so powerful. So many countries would love to have a Ron Paul and here you are, totally ignoring him thanks to your useless completely biased MSM

Mainstream Media is Brain Washing You - YouTube.flv - YouTube

You're in Portugal, I think somebody already suggested earlier, if you want him, come and get him. If anybody is getting brainwashed here, it would be you, with YouTube video sound bites.

 

[GILSAN]

You're in Portugal, I think somebody already suggested earlier, if you want him, come and get him. If anybody is getting brainwashed here, it would be you, with YouTube video sound bites.

Ron Paul's followers would never allow it, unfortunately for us.

OK, since you're allergic to Youtube, let me give you something that apparently you like a lot: Polls. (not my favorite cup of tea)

Here's the latest from Gallup (released a few hours ago). Shows Obama getting hammered by the MSM candidate: you know, the candidate that was forced down the people's throats: Romney

Lol, even the worst Republican candidate is whipping Obama. Come November it's gonna be as easy as "shelling Peas". Obama will be Ogonner. :lol:

Such a pity I won't get the pleasure to see Ron Paul whip Obama's ass. MSM has taken care of that problem.

 

[JB Lions]

Hold up, I thought Obama was the MSM candidate.

 

[GILSAN]

Hold up, I thought Obama was the MSM candidate.

Yes, He was the MSM chosen candidate in 2008 by the Liberal Media, or don't you remember? Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice, in my opinion, but....

Since the majority of the MSM is liberal they decided that Romney was the easiest candidate for Obama to beat this year.

 

[JB Lions]

"Since the majority of the MSM is liberal they decided that Romney was the easiest candidate for Obama to beat this year."

That doesn't even make sense. Romney is more to the middle than the other ones. The easiest candidate for Obama to beat would have been any of the others. I posted some info back in this thread somewhere, Obama vs. the other candidates, Romney had the best chance.

As far as polls, this site lists more than a few, most with Obama in the lead:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And after Newt and Santorum fall in line behind Romney, then the dogs get unleashed, Romney will take a hammering.

 

[GILSAN]

As far as polls, this site lists more than a few, most with Obama in the lead:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And after Newt and Santorum fall in line behind Romney, then the dogs get unleashed, Romney will take a hammering.

Can't really go by all these polls as they, just like the MSM, are biased and are used as a tool to fool a lot of people depending on which party you belong to.

This will definitely be the dirtiest election ever; thanks to the MSM. Waiting for the shit to fly and the dogs to bite.

 

[RogueWriter]

And after Newt and Santorum fall in line behind Romney, then the dogs get unleashed, Romney will take a hammering.

So, so wrong. Romney's supporters will start hammering on Obama:

1. 5 Trillion Deficit
2. Woeful economy.
3. His disconnect as shown by excessive expenditures on vacations.
4. Unemployment.
5. Broken promise - war.
6. Broken promise - transparency.
7. Wasting Money - LV Convention, etc.
8. Broken promise - Gitmo.
9. Deficit spending.
10. No budget for years.
11. $840 billion stimulus pushed through.
12. Solar Companies going bankrupt after huge grants.
13. Fast and Furious.
14. Voter ID fraud, including Eric Holder incident.
15. Borders STILL not secured.
16. TSA stripping granny.
17. Secret Service Prostitute Scandal.
..........and I'm not even trying, here. If I truly put some effort into this, I bet I could list out 50-60 issues that would reflect poorly on Obama or his administration inside of ten minutes.

I think Obama is in for a lonnnnng summer.

 

[JB Lions]

So, so wrong. Romney's supporters will start hammering on Obama:

1. 5 Trillion Deficit
2. Woeful economy.
3. His disconnect as shown by excessive expenditures on vacations.
4. Unemployment.
5. Broken promise - war.
6. Broken promise - transparency.
7. Wasting Money - LV Convention, etc.
8. Broken promise - Gitmo.
9. Deficit spending.
10. No budget for years.
11. $840 billion stimulus pushed through.
12. Solar Companies going bankrupt after huge grants.
13. Fast and Furious.
14. Voter ID fraud, including Eric Holder incident.
15. Borders STILL not secured.
16. TSA stripping granny.
17. Secret Service Prostitute Scandal.
..........and I'm not even trying, here. If I truly put some effort into this, I bet I could list out 50-60 issues that would reflect poorly on Obama or his administration inside of ten minutes.

I think Obama is in for a lonnnnng summer.

That stuff is all out there tho, so there's nothing that's going to be a surprise.

If you go after him on some of that stuff, you're going to watch a backfire in progress.

Economy, unemployment, etc, is getting better. How are you going to attack him on unemployment, when the numbers are getting better?

Some of the stuff you mentioned, people don't care about, secret service prostitution, convention, vacation spending, there are real issues out there that affect people. Funny you mention disconnect with Obama when he's going against Romney, who's probably the most disconnected candidate we've ever had.

War? We're getting our troops home, he's done a great job on terrorism etc.

You can talk about stimulus and bailout, stuff that started under Bush but Mr. Romney and Let Detroit Go Bankrupt, isn't going to fly.

It's very simple with the first term. He inherited one of the biggest messes ever, the worst enonomy since the Great Depression, wars, terrorism etc. All he had to do in the first term is stop/slow the slide and show the possibility of things getting better. And that's been done.

You think with all that stuff you just brought up and Romney and the other Republican candidates, when they're not going after each other, going after Obama, that Romney would have a lead in the polls. He's still behind most of them and Obama really hasn't even started to campaign yet. Romney should be ahead already with how horrible you think Obama is doing. Not a good sign that he isn't.

It's going to be fun to watch.

Maybe there should be a new thread with the election coming up. Ron Paul is old and old news. It's now a Romney vs. Obama matchup.

 

[RogueWriter]

Ron Paul is old and old news. It's now a Romney vs. Obama matchup.

That's just about the one thing we can agree on, lol.

 

[JB Lions]

Well, I do agree with you on 15. Borders STILL not secured. as well. But just has to add this, what I was talking about. Just read this from the MSN homepage, Romney speaking:

"What you won’t hear at that convention is that for the last 38 months, unemployment has been above 8 percent, that we’ve had 24 million Americans that are out of work, stopped looking for work, or underemployed," Romney said."

The problem is, Obama just has to point this out, he went into office on January 20, 2009 and the unemployment rate was 7.8%. Problem is in January 2008, it was 5%. So in Bush's last year, in went from 5% - 7.8% so it was going bad when Obama took office, slid even further to over 10%. But it's been going down and now down to 8.2%, just look at the chart - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

Then Romney says this, which is funny:

The former Massachusetts governor also said the economy may yet improve before Election Day, but that the president would deserve no credit if it did so.

What? So who gets credit for that? You can't have it both ways.

It's that type of stuff from Romney, that's just going wreck him.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_new...-steps-from-site-of-obamas-re-nomination?lite

 

[RaiderGirl]

So, so wrong. Romney's supporters will start hammering on Obama:

1. 5 Trillion Deficit
2. Woeful economy.
3. His disconnect as shown by excessive expenditures on vacations.
4. Unemployment.
5. Broken promise - war.
6. Broken promise - transparency.
7. Wasting Money - LV Convention, etc.
8. Broken promise - Gitmo.
9. Deficit spending.
10. No budget for years.
11. $840 billion stimulus pushed through.
12. Solar Companies going bankrupt after huge grants.
13. Fast and Furious.
14. Voter ID fraud, including Eric Holder incident.
15. Borders STILL not secured.
16. TSA stripping granny.
17. Secret Service Prostitute Scandal.
..........and I'm not even trying, here. If I truly put some effort into this, I bet I could list out 50-60 issues that would reflect poorly on Obama or his administration inside of ten minutes.

I think Obama is in for a lonnnnng summer.

You left out suing the State of Arizona and intimidating the US Supreme Court.

And we should note; What Bush added to the national debt in 8 years, Obama added in 3 years. And he had the balls in 2008 to criticize Bush for his out of control spending.

Your point is well taken.. One of the big reasons Obama won the last election is because he had NO record of Governing. Nothing that would qualify him to Govern a State let alone the entire United States.. So now he has a record, a record of FAILURES that will put him on the defensive throughout the entire campaign.

His offensive will be all sorts of tricks to win over voters, such as releasing the Bin Laden photos right before election day.. Reminding voters that it was HE who got Bin Laden when Republicans couldn't, When in fact it was HE who was against the raid but only went along at Panetta's insistence.

With all the PAC money (most going to Republicans) this is going to be one of the nastiest presidential campaigns in our nations history... Watch.

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The problem is, Obama just has to point this out, he went into office on January 20, 2009 and the unemployment rate was 7.8%. Problem is in January 2008, it was 5%. So in Bush's last year, in went from 5% - 7.8% so it was going bad when Obama took office, slid even further to over 10%. But it's been going down and now down to 8.2%, just look at the chart - http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000

It was never supposed to go over 8%.. Obama's push for the $787 Stimulus bill was to keep unemployment BELOW 8% remember?, and instead of doing that, it shot all the way up to 10% at one point.

And the unemployment rate is NOT anywhere near 8% right now, By removing Millions of unemployed from the job market as "no longer looking", they manipulated the unemployment rate... You should know this JB.

 

[JB Lions]

"It was never supposed to go over 8%.. Obama's push for the $787 Stimulus bill was to keep unemployment BELOW 8% remember?, and instead of doing that, it shot all the way up to 10% at one point."

It was already over 8% when it was passed, so your statement doesn't make sense. Reread what I said about slide. It's not like things literally change overnight. Check the link again, tell me which way the graph is headed. Unemployment shot up almost 3% in Bush's last year, it was sliding in the wrong direction when Obama was voted in.

"And the unemployment rate is NOT anywhere near 8% right now, By removing Millions of unemployed from the job market as "no longer looking", they manipulated the unemployment rate... You should know this JB."

It's calculated the same way regardless of who is in the WH. So 7.8% when he got in, 8.2% now. Still over half a year before election. What if it gets lower than 7.8%? It'll then be lower than when Bush left office.

"The former Massachusetts governor also said the economy may yet improve before Election Day, but that the president would deserve no credit if it did so."

See, even Romney sees things are getting better.

 

[Domainace]

JB, the economy is improving because of the massive amount of intervention and good old fashioned money printing. It's sad that you don't see this, but the results will be there for everyone to see as currencies collapse around the world, not least the US dollar.
It's equally silly to think Bush had anything to do with 2008, which was the mini tremor that foreshadowed the massive earthquake yet to come. That has been building for 30 years or more. Economic policies takes years, even decades, to show effects.

What does take effect immediately is a sense of confidence, and the assurance that laws will be fair and consistently applied. Without that, investors are hesitant. In that regard, Obama has scared the heck out of everyone. Sadly, the Republicans are little better - but at least they say the right words.

I really fear what is coming, and Obama seems only too ready to milk it for political power. In that sense, I am cheered by the number of people supporting Paul. I think he's unsuitable to be president, but the general philosophy of remembering the constitution and individual freedom is something more should appreciate.

Arguing about unemployment rates is like arguing about how fast your shipping is sinking while others are sailing off in the last lifeboats.

 

[RaiderGirl]

It was already over 8% when it was passed, so your statement doesn't make sense.

It actually does; The Stimulus was passed in mid February 2009 and the unemployment rate for that month was released the first week in March, When they were debating the Stimulus, unemployment was at 7.6% for January, Obama used that number in a campaign of fear mongering claiming the Stimulus was NEEDED to keep the rate BELOW 8%.. Those were HIS words, NOT mine.

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1910208,00.html

It's calculated the same way regardless of who is in the WH. So 7.8% when he got in, 8.2% now. Still over half a year before election. What if it gets lower than 7.8%? It'll then be lower than when Bush left office.

NO, it's NOT calculated the same way, I don't recall the Bush, Clinton, Carter or any other administration cooking the jobs report, do you? This is what Obama has done, and by doing this, we now have TWO unemployment rates;

The REAL National Unemployment rate which is 12% or more, and the FRAUDULENT rate which is 8.2%

The ‘True’ Unemployment Rate? Try 12%

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Arguing about unemployment rates is like arguing about how fast your shipping is sinking while others are sailing off in the last lifeboats.

LOL... Nice one

 

[johname]

Arguing about unemployment rates is like arguing about how fast your shipping is sinking while others are sailing off in the last lifeboats.

I like that too! lol


The two unemployment rates have been around a long time.

Who you want for Romney's vice president, Jeb B seems to want it, Condi R seems to be saying no.

 

[JB Lions]

The Wall Street Journal?

"NO, it's NOT calculated the same way, I don't recall the Bush, Clinton, Carter or any other administration cooking the jobs report, do you? This is what Obama has done, and by doing this, we now have TWO unemployment rates;"

Nobody is cooking anything, lol, it's always been here:

Try this - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

The U-6 measure Romney uses when talking about unemployment, that's going down as well.

Raider, you don't think it would have gotten up to 10% if instead of it being Bush's 4 and final year, it was his 3rd?

Jan 2008 - 5%

Jan 2009 - 7.8% - it went up almost 3% under Bush, if he had another year, tell me what you think would have happened? You think it went up almost 3% in Bush's last year, then magically in Jan 2009 it would stop and go in the other direction? It would have gone up to 10% with him in the White House as well.

Jan 2010 - 9.7%

"Economic policies takes years, even decades, to show effects."

Does RaiderGirl agree with this? Apparently it's supposed to happen overnight.

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"I'm seriously discussing giving up my US citizenship - that's how bad it's getting. I was born in the US, as were my parents, but it is becoming a highly erratic police state. I don't want to be chattel to some state run amuck. Too many Americans laugh at that assertion, because they are the proverbial frogs in slowly warming water. Ironically, it is often educated immigrants who come from countries with crap governments who see it clearest."

Now that's just silly. Please explain "erratic police state" give me some real examples in your life.

"it is often educated immigrants who come from countries with crap governments who see it clearest"

So somebody born and bred in the U.S. as well as your parents, who are these educated immigrants you've been in contact with that have told you this?

Most of them would laugh at some of the things Americans say, police state, communism even, ridiculous.

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I like that too! lol


The two unemployment rates have been around a long time.

Who you want for Romney's vice president, Jeb B seems to want it, Condi R seems to be saying no.

Rob Portman

Intrade latest update
Obama - 60
Romney - 38

 

[Domainace]

Now that's just silly. Please explain "erratic police state" give me some real examples in your life.
"it is often educated immigrants who come from countries with crap governments who see it clearest"

So somebody born and bred in the U.S. as well as your parents, who are these educated immigrants you've been in contact with that have told you this?

Most of them would laugh at some of the things Americans say, police state, communism even, ridiculous.

Have you even thought about the definitions of the words you use? Do you know what communism is even?

Like I said, the frog in the slowly heated water doesn't realize he's boiling until it's too late. He even laughs at the suggestion.

I haven't been a US resident for over 20 years, and so the changes are much more apparent to me every time I visit. As soon as you step off a flight, you're treated as a potential criminal. Before that, even, if you take an American airline. I've lived in a few countries over that time, including China, and I can tell you that their airport security easier to deal with. Worse, I can tell you that the US is already more communist than China, where people are actually encouraged to get rich rather than demonized.

As bad as the US government is, that's not what makes me despair. What makes me despair is that many Americans are happy with a growing police state, and even want more. Or, like you, they just pretend it isn't there. At least, in China, the people have some idea of how free they are. They do laugh at Americans, but not at the things you think.

 

[JB Lions]

"I'm seriously discussing giving up my US citizenship - that's how bad it's getting."

"I haven't been a US resident for over 20 years"

Are you serious? You haven't lived in this country in 20 years and you're trying to say how it is to live here? And how big a deal would it be giving up your citizenship when you haven't lived here in 20 years, that's a long damn time.

And the only exmaple I see you trying to make is airport security? Really? We've always been screened, now even more for the obvious reasons with what happened on 9/11.

And you just topped it off with some of the most ignorant things said in this thread:

Worse, I can tell you that the US is already more communist than China, where people are actually encouraged to get rich rather than demonized.

At least, in China, the people have some idea of how free they are

 

[verbster]

Have you even thought about the definitions of the words you use? Do you know what communism is even?

Like I said, the frog in the slowly heated water doesn't realize he's boiling until it's too late. He even laughs at the suggestion.

I haven't been a US resident for over 20 years, and so the changes are much more apparent to me every time I visit. As soon as you step off a flight, you're treated as a potential criminal. Before that, even, if you take an American airline. I've lived in a few countries over that time, including China, and I can tell you that their airport security easier to deal with. Worse, I can tell you that the US is already more communist than China, where people are actually encouraged to get rich rather than demonized.

As bad as the US government is, that's not what makes me despair. What makes me despair is that many Americans are happy with a growing police state, and even want more. Or, like you, they just pretend it isn't there. At least, in China, the people have some idea of how free they are. They do laugh at Americans, but not at the things you think.

Qualifying individually perceived states of freedom based on the perception of airport security is useless. I've lived in China and many places around the globe, too, but so what? Living in another country just means your perspective on another country's politics may be slightly different; it doesn't mean its more insightful or more accurate. I had many good and bad experiences in China, but it didn't make me an expert on Chinese politics. It just gave me a personal opinion based on my experiences.

By the way, it appears to be your opinion that being encouraged to get rich somehow equates to communism, the exact opposite of what theoretical communism extolls.

If the political situation in the U.S. is causing you despair and making you consider forfeiting citizenship, you can either sit around and complain, or you can get involved and do something about it. Which is the better measure of citizenship to you? That will tell you which to do.

By the way, I laughed at your laughing frog, but not for any reason you may think i did.