The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

[italiandragon]

We need this one too guys

This guide will also help LLLL.com holders to understand more the value of their 4 letters .com based on how expensive the similar 3 letters .com are.

From:

http://3character.com/priceguide.html

Pricing Guide for 3-Letter (Composed Of Letters Only) Domains:

Current Observed Minimum Wholesale Price (regardless of letter combo) as of February 1, 2008:

3-Letter .com - $6700 (+ $300 since January 1, 2008 report)

But I consider their guide a bit old since they are not taking in consideration the emergenging countries that appreciate other letters and as we have run a poll here several times lately, the majority of people consider the letters U
and W to be Premium letters.

Let`s have a look at some recent LLL.com sales as reported from NameBio.com :


nak.com $27,135 2007-12-22 SEDO.com
nyz.com $10,605 2007-12-19 tdnam
utw.com $10,100 2007-12-10 SEDO.com
via.com $157,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
cgf.com $14,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
vkx.com $6,200 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
mje.com $10,734 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
okf.com $8,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
our.com $60,000 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
kxr.com $7,101 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
lhg.com $13,613 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
wae.com $10,099 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
hya.com $7,499 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
yrd.com $9,100 2007-12-05 SEDO.com
vfk.com $15,750 2007-11-29 AfterNic.com
qee.com $10,882 2007-11-27 SEDO.com

 

[italiandragon]

Well done, Chris.

That's a great sale for that triple premium.

Can you please define "premium" ?

(rant...)

 

[Federer]

In the case of a LLL.com - it would be 3 quality letters (usually not K, Q, V, W, X, Y Z - But could be in some cases...) that produce a high number of potential acronyms.

... a LLL.com that just looks great on any advertising board, business card etc....

"HBA" looks and sounds premium.

 

[italiandragon]

In the case of a LLL.com - it would be 3 quality letters (usually not K, Q, V, W, X, Y Z - But could be in some cases...) that produce a high number of potential acronyms.

... a LLL.com that just looks great on any advertising board, business card etc....

"HBA" looks and sounds premium.

you are "right"..

SEX is not premium, while HBA is.

WWF is crap while BBG is bbgreat...

EVO...yuk...NLT is better...(nope)



(I think I will have to develop an article about this myth as I can't stand it anymore...)

 

[Federer]

If you actually read my post carefully, you will notice that I put "(usually not K, Q, V, W, X, Y Z - But could be in some cases...) "

SEX, WWF, EVO - are just some of the many cases that exist. Change the letters around, mix them up and you have quite the opposite of what most investors consider to be premium combinations:

ESX, FWW, OEV...

The same principle applies to LLLL.com

For instance, a quad premium LLLL.com that you own include: OPPB.com

Many however, on the other hand would not consider your ITXB.com to be a quad premium - but rather a triple. This again, is just an example.

 

[italiandragon]

If you actually read my post carefully, you will notice that I put "(usually not K, Q, V, W, X, Y Z - But could be in some cases...) "

SEX, WWF, EVO - are just some of the many cases that exist. Change the letters around, mix them up and you have quite the opposite of what most investors consider to be premium combinations:

ESX, FWW, OEV...

The same principle applies to LLLL.com

For instance, a quad premium LLLL.com that you own include: OPPB.com

Many however, on the other hand would not consider your ITXB.com to be a quad premium - but rather a triple. This again, is just an example.

I know that fairytale.

But a few of us have on many occasions showed statistics that definition of Premium is a pure myth based on 1 wrong source.

Nevermind, I will have to create a permanent page to show it once for all.

And, indeed, no one of the domains in my signature is "premium" as the meaning "premium" is not that.

 

[Federer]

After all said and done, we can generally conclude that the final perception or value of any given domain or unique digital asset always lies in the eyes of the buyer. If the name is "premium" to him/her, then they will shell out a "premium" price/offer for that particular keyword or letter combination.

Almost any domain can sell anyday, for almost any price to anyone who is truly interested enough in the keyword/term/field.

 

[Tim Schoon]

premium = IMO the higher end of a category.
Good letter combo's are acronym friendly and look or sound good.

domains with q,z,x,y,v,w,k,j are often not acronym friendly or look/sound bad.
of course there are some that do, but most dont.

 

[italiandragon]

premium = IMO the higher end of a category.
Good letter combo's are acronym friendly and look or sound good.

domains with q,z,x,y,v,w,k,j are often not acronym friendly or look/sound bad.
of course there are some that do, but most dont.

I give up.

(for now...)

 

[Kate]

Who wants to trade abc.com for qhx.com. After all all letters are equal

 

[hawkeye]

Who wants to trade abc.com for qhx.com. After all all letters are equal

ME! Which reg account you need to push it??! ...oh, wait. I think someone is using abc.com. I'd better check first....

 

[snoop]

But a few of us have on many occasions showed statistics that definition of Premium is a pure myth based on 1 wrong source.

The "many occasions" are exceptions to the common rule. Non premium letters can get good prices but far more often it is high quality letters, simply because more companies use those combinations. That is why domainers will pay more for premium letter names.

 

[tonecas]

XLD.COM $4,900 on NameJet

after a long battle by previous owner to keep the domain. very sad story. shame on you NS...

regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 11:31 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:30 PM ----------

amz.com was on $10,500 (starting bid) 2 days ago on snapnames. anyone saw the final price?

regards,
tonecas

 

[ZOX]

I know that fairytale.

But a few of us have on many occasions showed statistics that definition of Premium is a pure myth based on 1 wrong source.

Nevermind, I will have to create a permanent page to show it once for all.

And, indeed, no one of the domains in my signature is "premium" as the meaning "premium" is not that.

I agree in that "Premium" is only in the "eye of the beholder"
...
Some "non-premium" names that domainers would Poo-Poo, can sell for substantial amounts to the proper buyer.

 

[cache]

I think premium indicates the minimum support value, not the maximum end user value.
For example I support $100 min value on premium LLLL etc.
So "a name is premium or not" is important for domainer to classify domains.

 

[DomainTalker]

Reported on DNJournal this week:


Kip.com - $80,000

Sold at Sedo

.

 

[italiandragon]

The "many occasions" are exceptions to the common rule. Non premium letters can get good prices but far more often it is high quality letters, simply because more companies use those combinations. That is why domainers will pay more for premium letter names.

I was not referring to the number of sales with the letters that you call "non-premiums" but to real statistic data which was created well before this fairytale.

Why can't you just think "out of the square" for 1 hour?

If I say this color is blue , then you would be already thinking I made a typo or I can't see properly, simply because you have been taught that the name of the colour is not blue.

But if you tell that to a 2 years old child, they will believe it and they will learn that way.

So, that's my opinion. Someone in the early stages made a rule and the others followed like sheep.

Don't make me go searching again the data you know I'm referring to.

English is not the only language in this world.

And for our Icelander friend, there are people in the world that would trade ABC with the other one anytime...what is ABC? the first 3 letters of the ASCII alphabet...so?

you make a brand of that, great.

I am sure someone else can make a brand out of a non-pronunciable LLL like...OMG....XXX....WWE...etc.

How many languages do you speak?

Have a look at how many letters create the Arab Alphabet.

 

[Tim Schoon]

I was not referring to the number of sales with the letters that you call "non-premiums" but to real statistic data which was created well before this fairytale.

Why can't you just think "out of the square" for 1 hour?

If I say this color is blue , then you would be already thinking I made a typo or I can't see properly, simply because you have been taught that the name of the colour is not blue.

But if you tell that to a 2 years old child, they will believe it and they will learn that way.

So, that's my opinion. Someone in the early stages made a rule and the others followed like sheep.

Don't make me go searching again the data you know I'm referring to.

English is not the only language in this world.

And for our Icelander friend, there are people in the world that would trade ABC with the other one anytime...what is ABC? the first 3 letters of the ASCII alphabet...so?

you make a brand of that, great.

I am sure someone else can make a brand out of a non-pronunciable LLL like...OMG....XXX....WWE...etc.

How many languages do you speak?

Have a look at how many letters create the Arab Alphabet.

Reseller prices indicate the market value.
A domain with a higher market value is more premium to me than one with a low market value.

Rarely used letters like Q are simply less in demand (worldwide) so the avarage market value for names like these is lower. A 'premium' domain is simply a domain with high reseller value....

 

[Kate]

I am sure someone else can make a brand out of a non-pronunciable LLL like...OMG....XXX....WWE...etc.

Don't want to turn this into a 'premium letter' thread, actually I kinda agree that there are no 'premium' letters, because it depends on the language.
You have to look at the combo as a whole. For instance sex.com has one 'bad' letter. However I do believe some combos offer more acronym possibilities than others. This can impact the liquidity of the domain name and the final price.
Other than real words like sex or pie, LLL domains are just that - acronyms. Hope we can agree on something :p

 

[betthelot]

Lets all dance on a pin head about premium letters.

Italian Dragon is simply right, in the long term as the internet penetrates those countries that have a higher frequency of different letters, than those used in the English language, the notion of premium letters will become defunct. And it is coming:- and here is concrete proof of that - first those so called lowest quality LLL.coms QXWXYZ - I predict their minimum values will increase significantly (20 - 30%) within the next few months to around $4,500, bold prediction; but rather than sitting on the fence like some, dressed up as wisdom, I like to put my head above the parapet to be shot at. As I predicted 2 months ago when others were getting excited about a second dip in values, I predicted then they will never again fall below $3,500.

The reason minimum values will rise to $4,500 quickly is 4.CN, being the first Chinese domain auction site that is at least on par with SEDO but targeted at the Chinese audience. What is so significant about 4.CN is they sell names in Chinese RMB, you have to understand foreign currency is so tightly controlled in China that it excludes most buyers from purchasing from Sedo combined with that most Chinese are not familiar or comfortable with overseas transactions. But 4.cn talks their language and they offer an Escrow and broker service. Others exist in the market ename and 66.cn but 4.cn is streets ahead with their dedicated user friendly auction platform.
Now there are 11 LLL.coms currently in auction on 4.cn: fwq.com yzr.com ixy.com tsz.com zdd.com xrk.com czf.com bxw.com xpf.com xyq.com ggj.com
and I can not see any on any other auction platform and they are all the so called lowest quality letters. Today XDQ com sold for the equivalent of $4,275. And note to bid you have to deposit some money in your account to deter shill bidders.

Some time ago some argued that parking revenues are the driver for values of low quality LLL.coms and to watch that like a hawk; in the hope parking values will fall and so follow LLL.coms but as I said then and now its going to be China that drives values of LLL.coms in the medium term as they flatten out the notion of premium and non premium letters.

Long post but a signifiacant move in the LLL.com market.

 

[ZOX]

Lets all dance on a pin head about premium letters.

Italian Dragon is simply right, in the long term as the internet penetrates those countries that have a higher frequency of different letters, than those used in the English language, the notion of premium letters will become defunct. And it is coming:- and here is concrete proof of that - first those so called lowest quality LLL.coms QXWXYZ - I predict their minimum values will increase significantly (20 - 30%) within the next few months to around $4,500, bold prediction; but rather than sitting on the fence like some, dressed up as wisdom, I like to put my head above the parapet to be shot at. As I predicted 2 months ago when others were getting excited about a second dip in values, I predicted then they will never again fall below $3,500.

The reason minimum values will rise to $4,500 quickly is 4.CN, being the first Chinese domain auction site that is at least on par with SEDO but targeted at the Chinese audience. What is so significant about 4.CN is they sell names in Chinese RMB, you have to understand foreign currency is so tightly controlled in China that it excludes most buyers from purchasing from Sedo combined with that most Chinese are not familiar or comfortable with overseas transactions. But 4.cn talks their language and they offer an Escrow and broker service. Others exist in the market ename and 66.cn but 4.cn is streets ahead with their dedicated user friendly auction platform.
Now there are 11 LLL.coms currently in auction on 4.cn: fwq.com yzr.com ixy.com tsz.com zdd.com xrk.com czf.com bxw.com xpf.com xyq.com ggj.com
and I can not see any on any other auction platform and they are all the so called lowest quality letters. Today XDQ com sold for the equivalent of $4,275. And note to bid you have to deposit some money in your account to deter shill bidders.

Some time ago some argued that parking revenues are the driver for values of low quality LLL.coms and to watch that like a hawk; in the hope parking values will fall and so follow LLL.coms but as I said then and now its going to be China that drives values of LLL.coms in the medium term as they flatten out the notion of premium and non premium letters.

Long post but a signifiacant move in the LLL.com market.

Good news!
...
Just checked and my first impression of 4.cn is real positive. :tu:

 

[tonecas]

Reported on DNJournal this week:

Kip.com - $80,000

Sold at Sedo

.

that has an interesting story. it belonged to Komatsu group who was letting it expire in Last December and was not willing to accept offers. Then in the last days the domain was renewed, supposedly by a previous employee of the company in which the domain was registered, but the email contact moved do "@asia.com" and was privacy protected soon after. then he was moved to Sedo were it has been receiving some offers before being sold.

Definitely a great flip as i suppose, if the domain was hand over from Komatsu in a legal way, it has been bought bellow 10K.

regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 03:45 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------

Some time ago some argued that parking revenues are the driver for values of low quality LLL.coms and to watch that like a hawk; in the hope parking values will fall and so follow LLL.coms but as I said then and now its going to be China that drives values of LLL.coms in the medium term as they flatten out the notion of premium and non premium letters.

right on betthelot

regards,
tonecas

 

[ThomasHutzelman]

Hi all.

I wonder whether anyone can point to any stats over how many three letter .com domains remain undeveloped? I see a lot of differences in this particular statistic and thought someone here may have done some work on this...?

Thanks

 

[Tim Schoon]

Hi all.

I wonder whether anyone can point to any stats over how many three letter .com domains remain undeveloped? I see a lot of differences in this particular statistic and thought someone here may have done some work on this...?

Thanks

I'll run a nameserver scan tomorrow.. :P

I did some research a couple months ago but can't find the results..:kickass:

 

[ZOX]

I'll run a nameserver scan tomorrow.. :P

I did some research a couple months ago but can't find the results..:kickass:

Please do TM...its a very good question

 

[snoop]

Why can't you just think "out of the square" for 1 hour?

If I say this color is blue , then you would be already thinking I made a typo or I can't see properly, simply because you have been taught that the name of the colour is not blue.

I think you are misreading much has been said on the subject. When people say premium letter tend to be worth more it is a fact. Obviously though there is lots of exceptions, though you post like people are just making blanket statements regarding this, which they are not.

So, that's my opinion. Someone in the early stages made a rule and the others followed like sheep.

The rule was made when names were first registered, it was made by the masses, premium letters tended to go before low quality combo's and not much has changed since. Most people just "got it" right from the start regarding quality.

Don't make me go searching again the data you know I'm referring to.

The thing is if you did present any data I'm sure it would just what we already know. Non premiums combo's can be worth alot.

I am sure someone else can make a brand out of a non-pronunciable LLL like...OMG....XXX....WWE...etc

Is there any point in arguing about stuff most people find completely obvious? There is no point telling us xxx.com is condsidered non premium letters but it is a very valuable name. We know.