GoDaddy Auctions -- Discussion, Acquisitions, and Sales

What a great thread.

I noticed alot of people saying they bought domains in GD Closeouts but they didnt actually get them? They didn't make it through redemption period? What exactly does this mean?

Thanks in advance.

Custard

It means they were renewed by the registrant.

equity78 said:

It means they were renewed by the registrant.

Click to expand...

I see, so do you get your money back from GoDaddy in that instance?

CustardTank said:

What a great thread.

I noticed alot of people saying they bought domains in GD Closeouts but they didnt actually get them? They didn't make it through redemption period? What exactly does this mean?

Thanks in advance.

Custard

Click to expand...

*

When you win a closeout or expiring auction, the domain does not actually land in your account for about 7 days because GoDaddy offers the original registrant a chance to renew at a premium.

However, some cagey orginal registrants have figured out how to transfer expired domains to other registrars.

So it's always a good idea to NOT advertise any wins until about 3 days after the domain has landed in your account.

Hope this explanation helps a bit.



*

Ms Domainer said:

*

So it's always a good idea to NOT advertise any wins until about 3 days after the domain has landed in your account.


*

Click to expand...

That's interesting -- I thought once it landed in your account the original owner loses control of the domain (and because of the GD 60-day "lock", the domain isn't even eligible to move for 60 days).

Can something happen for up to 3 days even after it lands in your account?

Interview With Paul Nicks from Go Daddy Aftermarket

Ms Domainer I asked him about the 42 day and stuff like that.

equity78 said:

I asked him about the 42 day and stuff like that.

Click to expand...

did you ask him why there is no longer a direct link to the auctions on the main godaddy page? (it's in a dropdown menu)

Not in the interview CD because it actually happened after I first sent him the interview questions.

I did ask in an email and he said they are always trying new designs. I agree with you it needs to be a tab not a dropdown. He just answered a question on Hybrid Domainer, I will post it in comments and see if I can get him to reply for everyone there to read.

equity78 said:

Interview With Paul Nicks from Go Daddy Aftermarket

Ms Domainer I asked him about the 42 day and stuff like that.

Click to expand...

*

The final drop day is day 45; Godaddy releases the domain at day 42 to the winner.

Therefore, if the former registrant whines loud enough, Godaddy could take the domain away from the winner and give it back to the former registrant--with a refund to the winner, of course.

That's why I suggest waiting until 45 days after original expiration before assuming that you have "won" the domain.

Quite frankly, equity78, your interviewee really didn't reveal all that much; he did not address that 3-day window between the domain landing in the winner's account and the former registrant's "rights."

He sounds like a politician.

If you look back in this thread (and others) winners HAVE had winning domains awarded back to their previous registrants between day 42 and 45.

Equity78,

I have posted, on your blog the following comment to Paul:


Godaddy needs to clear this up ASAP.

*

Fair enough Jennifer the whole interview was not supposed to be about that, so I do apologize for it not being definitive on that issue.

I can say I spoke on the phone about it with Paul and he was quite definitive. He said our priority is giving the owner as much time as possible to renew or transfer out up until day 45.

He knows there is that 3 day window and for now it will stay that way.

time to eat humble pie deleted because it contains misinformation only

Now getting two stories.

time to eat humble pie deleted because it contains misinformation only

I agree John this is different info from different people.

What location is that John ?

equity78 said:

Fair enough Jennifer the whole interview was not supposed to be about that, so I do apologize for it not being definitive on that issue.

I can say I spoke on the phone about it with Paul and he was quite definitive. He said our priority is giving the owner as much time as possible to renew or transfer out up until day 45.

He knows there is that 3 day window and for now it will stay that way.

Click to expand...

*

Equity78,

I'm not blaming you. I'm sorry if it came out that way.




Peace!

Added: Thanks for your persistence in pinning Paul down; we just needed to know this information.

I think it's a bad policy, but as domainers, we are, more or less, aware of these shell games.

But imagine how an end user might react to having his/her domain name yanked out from under it AFTER it's been awarded and being used for a project. The fact that it doesn't happen too often is irrelevant. If it happens to ONE customer, then it's a questionable policy.

Godaddy should stop hiding this info in waffly TOS and unclear language and actually present this info on the actual bidding page, spelling out this policy up front.

If you have to hide such info, then, perhaps, the practice itself stinks.

*

Actually -

I have a name that's 6/30/2012 so we'll see.
Remind me and I will call on 8/14/2012 and see what happens

I have another that's 5/26/2012 that is REGISTRY REDEMPTION which I guess I could still renew as well (it was so crap it made it through CLOSEOUT ) .

This is actually complex just got off the phone with Paul he will be posting comment to Hybrid Domainer.

@msdomainer Oh I know Jennifer I am diappointed in myself if an interview does not help the reader.

defaultuser said:

On Day 42 the domain redemption period ends.


Maybe there isn't a window to discuss.


Who? I didn't see anyone say that.


GoDaddy says all over its support things like:

"On the 42nd day after expiration, we cancel your domain name. We delete all services associated with the domain name."

http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/893/bidding-on-expired-domain-names

http://support.godaddy.com/help/article/608/what-is-your-process-for-handling-expired-domain-names

Once the name EXITS REDEMPTION the prior owner has NO RIGHTS. This happens 12 (Day it is DELETED) + 30 (RGP) = 42.

It used to be 43 and maybe it was 45 once - it depends on the FIRST number which is the day they delete from your account. The 30 is FIXED.

Right now? The name is deleted on Day 12 (for .com/.net/.tv and others.).

Click to expand...

*

Wow!

If Godaddy IS allowing former registrants to redeem an expired domain after it's been awarded to the auction winner (day 42-45), then Godaddy could be opening themselves up to a lawsuit because that TOS link DU posted clearly says day 42.

Is it any wonder we are all confused and debating amongst ourselves???

*

Ms Domainer, re: the 42/45 day question: Good question and one that I sincerely hope I can clarify. First, I'll underscore a point I made in the interview, we created the system to give our registrants the ability to keep or redeem their name as long as possible. With that as the backdrop, hopefully the following explanation will make more sense. For many TLDs we are given a grace period of up to 45 days after expiration to decide whether to keep or drop a domain. On the 25th day after expiration, after three attempts to contact the registrant, we put our expiring inventory onto the Go Daddy Auctions platform to see if any of our other customers are interested in acquiring them. During the entire time a domain is at auction the current registrant is able to redeem that domain, albeit for a fee. On the 42nd day we will cancel the domain name if no other customer has expressed an interest in it via either the auction system or a Go Daddy backorder. If, however, a customer has expressed an interest via either of these platforms we will move the domain to their account on day 43. Since the domain is still in the Go Daddy ecosystem we do allow, in rare circumstances, the original registrant to get the domain back via our redemption system up until day 45 which signifies the end of the grace period. Our help documentation (http://support.godaddy.com/help/art...s-for-handling-expired-domain-names?locale=en) specifies day 42 for deletion because our registrants need to understand that if they do not redeem prior to that date they could lose their domain forever. However, we will continue to err on the side of the registrant when it comes to the edge cases where a domain owner calls asking whether they can get their domain back after day 42. I hope that helps ease any confusion around this topic. -Paul

---------- Post added at 12:02 PM ---------- Previous post was at 12:00 PM ----------

So there is the answer day 42 if no one else interested in the domain. Day 45 if it got a bid on Go Daddy Auctions.

MsDomainer said:

However, some cagey orginal registrants have figured out how to transfer expired domains to other registrars.

Click to expand...

There is nothing cagey about this process. ICANN states that expiry cannot be a reason for denying a transfer request. For once GoDaddy are following ICANN procedures. The problem is that GoDaddy are auctioning these domains off before the transfer rule expires.

stub said:

There is nothing cagey about this process. ICANN states that expiry cannot be a reason for denying a transfer request. For once GoDaddy are following ICANN procedures. The problem is that GoDaddy are auctioning these domains off before the transfer rule expires.

Click to expand...

*

Sigh...

This misconception continues.

If you read the actual ICANN agreement, a registrar can turn off a domain and delete it ONE DAY after expiration if renewal payment has not been remitted. (There are some exceptions, but non-payment of renewal is not one of them.) They can also LOCK the domain after one day and prevent a transfer.

See section 3 of the agreement registrar/registrants rights.


As a matter of practice, registrars have chosen to offer grace periods of varying lengths, and I have no problem with this.

In fact, I think it's a good idea, and ICANN ought to address this grace period in the ICANN/registrar agreement itself instead of trying to make policy in FAQ pages, which are NOT binding.

I do think that Godaddy and other registrars are to be commended for protecting the rights of registrants as much as possible; however, awarding a domain to one person on day 42 and then snatching it away on, say, day 44 and giving it back to some numpty who can't keep track of renewal dates is just plain nutty.

But this seems to be Godaddy's policy.

The takeaway here:

Don't brag about your Godaddy wins until day 46.

*

Ms Domainer said:

If you read the actual ICANN agreement, a registrar can turn off a domain and delete it ONE DAY after expiration if renewal payment has not been remitted.

Click to expand...

Careful about terminology.
The registrar won't DELETE the domain. What the registrar can do however, is send the domain to redemption. The domain is typically removed from your account then, so you no longer 'see' it but it's not deleted yet.
The grace period (up to 45 days) is a courtesy and the duration varies from one registrar to another.

It's win-win:

• if the customer renews a bit late he/she would have to pay a hefty out of redemption fee, but since the domain is on auto renew it's still in good status with the registry.
• the registrar can cancel the auto-renew within 45 days and get a refund from the registry, nothing to lose

The redemption process was designed to protect registrants against accidental loss of domain, back in the early days, domains would become available roughly one week after expiry or so :gl:
Of course, the auctions circumvent the process so the registrars have had to find ways to get away with it, and in practice they offer equivalent time frames to redeem your domains.
Reversal of auctions are the consequence.

=MsDomainer said:

Sigh...

This misconception continues.

Click to expand...

I stand by what I have said. There is nothing cagey about transferring domains out of Godaddy (or anywhere) after they have expired. It's permitted by ICANN, and GoDaddy are following ICANN's guideline on this. Nothing you have said in the rest of the post can change that fact. There is nothing cagey about it and I actually resent that you are calling me "cagey" because I transfer expired domains (which can all be done from within the GoDaddy Control Panel).

Just FYI - I went back and deleted my posts not because I'm being a jerk but because they contain enough misinformation to make me an honorary politician.

I did a little more lookup and discovered that the different use of terminology used by everyone in various places through me off track completely. I finally got to where I needed to be and Kate summarized it perfectly (imho). I interpreted DELETE in GoDaddy incorrectly - perhaps my fault, perhaps not, I'm not sure anymore!

What I don't understand is why there needs to be such a confusing terminology and process. What makes this worse is the whole notion that the support material doesn't match reality to make the registrant think something is true that isn't - see blog comment on 42 vs 45 - this makes NO SENSE to me.

Apologies to MsDomainer etc. for getting it wrong myself... and thanks to her, Ray and Kate for getting to what I can consider the official truth.

Win an auction and you're about 10-30% likely to get it (going down to 0% as the winning bid goes up). Reach day 42 and you're almost always likely to get it but there is risk. Reach day 45 and it's yours.

It took persistence - and ignoring me- but the answer was reached

I'm still going to call 8-14

stub said:

I stand by what I have said. There is nothing cagey about transferring domains out of Godaddy (or anywhere) after they have expired. It's permitted by ICANN, and GoDaddy are following ICANN's guideline on this. Nothing you have said in the rest of the post can change that fact. There is nothing cagey about it and I actually resent that you are calling me "cagey" because I do that sometimes.

Click to expand...

*

Did I call you cagey?

I don't think so.

This isn't about you, per se, but what is mandated by ICANN regarding expired names.

Yes, an ICANN guideline found on a FAQ page says 45 days, but I stand by the fact that the ICANN agreement with its registrars does not mandate a 45-day grace period for expired domains.

Yes, in practice it's done, but it doesn't have to be done, but I am actually glad that a grace period is offered. Nothing cagey there.

I offered the link here (a few posts back); if you can find that mandate IN THE ACTUAL ICANN AGREEMENT WITH ITS REGISTRARS (not just a FAQ page), well, then, you can prove me wrong. I might have missed something.

My main issue here (assuming the 45-day rule is going to be a Godaddy standard): why does Godaddy use an aftermarket model that can take away a domain, AFTER it has been awarded to an auction winner who may have started doing business with it?

Why not wait until day 45 to award the domain?

I just don't see how awarding the domain at day 42 can be beneficial if it could be potentially snatched away.



*

---------- Post added at 11:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:34 PM ----------

defaultuser said:

Just FYI - I went back and deleted my posts not because I'm being a jerk but because they contain enough misinformation to make me an honorary politician.

I did a little more lookup and discovered that the different use of terminology used by everyone in various places through me off track completely. I finally got to where I needed to be and Kate summarized it perfectly (imho). I interpreted DELETE in GoDaddy incorrectly - perhaps my fault, perhaps not, I'm not sure anymore!

What I don't understand is why there needs to be such a confusing terminology and process. What makes this worse is the whole notion that the support material doesn't match reality to make the registrant think something is true that isn't - see blog comment on 42 vs 45 - this makes NO SENSE to me.

Apologies to MsDomainer etc. for getting it wrong myself... and thanks to her, Ray and Kate for getting to what I can consider the official truth.

Win an auction and you're about 10-30% likely to get it (going down to 0% as the winning bid goes up). Reach day 42 and you're almost always likely to get it but there is risk. Reach day 45 and it's yours.

It took persistence - and ignoring me- but the answer was reached

I'm still going to call 8-14

Click to expand...

*

Not a big deal.

I think we're all confused by now because it IS all confusing.

I don't understand ICANN or Godaddy these days.

As Kate said, the registrar can cut off all domain services after day one of expiration but cannot actually delete the domain because the registry itself holds the domain in redemption...

AAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!



I need to sleep on this.

*