analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[.X.]

The question is did it really have to come to this where everyone has to take sides now,

There was a time where both Russia and China were seeing it to be in their interest to keep good relations with the West,

What went wrong and why were they both alienated over the past decade.

IMO

I think the reasoning is the times the world is in , Covid has hurt every country financially really bad, now this conflict and the fact that at this point it won’t end well at all, China will most likely be faced with the choice , essentially the US could go completely broke , there are far more scenarios that break the US than there are that the US can bounce back , China will embrace Russia as opposed to the US if it comes to that IMO , if the EU slid in, I think the UK follows IMO .. it comes down to food and supply , the warm friendships of countries will change hands IMO

 

[oldtimer]

On a side note:

As we eat our dinner in the comfort of our home we should remember all those who are suffering from hunger or worse dying of starvation around the World,

Whether it’s the people trapped in Mariupol and other Ukrainian Cities or whether it’s the children that are the victims of the grownup's politics in Afghanistan and Yemen or the many other places around the World that are dealing with external or internal conflicts, it is a shame that these situations are still going on in the year 2022.

It’s easy for some to put all the troubles of the World out of their mind and live with no care as to what is going on in distant places specially if those people are of other races and ethnicities,

But as we have witnessed recently it’s no longer possible for any Country to isolate itself from what is going on in the rest of the World,

Whether we like it or not sooner or later everyone is going to be affected in one way or another by all the conflicts and animosities that are arising in far away corners of the World,

If not because of the Wars, but as we have seen our lives can also be adversely affected by Pandemics or problems with the Environment,

Considering that most of these problems are manmade or that are made worse by us not taking the appropriate actions at the right time it begs the question as to why are we doing all this to ourselves and to our Home Planet.

IMO

 

[wwwulff]

So you don't blame the NATO at all for having a design on Russia and China for the past decade or so to undermine their way of life and government.

Their way of life? If you ask if I have any respect for dictators and autocrats who oppress their people, steal the country's values, do not allow free media and do not respect human rights, then the answer is a clear no - NATO is a defense alliance and has never threatened either Russia or China directly, but of course works on Western values and believes that all countries have their right to self-determination and this also applies to Ukraine

 

[oldtimer]

Their way of life? If you ask if I have any respect for dictators and autocrats who oppress their people, steal the country's values, do not allow free media and do not respect human rights, then the answer is a clear no - NATO is a defense alliance and has never threatened either Russia or China directly, but of course works on Western values and believes that all countries have their right to self-determination and this also applies to Ukraine

I am not talking about today, but at the time that there was a better relations between the West and Russia wouldn't it have been better for NATO to promote the Western values of democracy and human rights to them through other means than putting missile systems in Eastern European Countries that were so close to Moscow.

IMO

 

[Igor Gabrielan]

I am not talking about today, but at the time that there was a better relations between the West and Russia wouldn't it have been better for NATO to promote the Western values of democracy and human rights to them through other means than putting missile systems in Eastern European Countries that were so close to Moscow.

IMO

What missile systems are located in the eastern countries of NATO?

 

[oldtimer]

What missile systems are located in the eastern countries of NATO?

BMD

Creating a Ballistic missiles system that could reach Moscow in half an hour was perhaps a wrong message to give to Russia at the time when there was hope for having better relations with them (hence the fact that Russia has now developed the Hypersonic missiles that can reach European Cities in half an hour).

Things didn't have to get escalated like this if all sides had ended their cold war mentality and worked towards improving the relations between themselves back when there was still a chance.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

So you don't blame the NATO at all for having a design on Russia and China for the past decade or so to undermine their way of life and government.

NATO is a blanket organization. Personally, I don't think Canada or Latvia for example, had any reason to confront Russia except in ice hockey, and we share a passion for the sport. Still, no reason to invade Ukraine besides being given a green light (as per US foreign policy).

Putin had given several warnings to the West, just as Trump threw insults at China, which kinda makes me think we are all paying the price for our leaders' foreign policy myopia and hubris.

 

[Igor Gabrielan]

BMD

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System​

It would be strange if the NATO countries did not have defensive weapons against missiles. Although it is unlikely that it can prevent a massive missile attack. And there were no offensive missile systems in the eastern NATO countries at all?

 

[topdom]

Nato was designed as DS army, and mostly attacked its member countries from inside. Its members may have attacked various external countries, but not sure which ones were made under Nato umbrella. You can assume all wars made by US were done by DS , since ww2, but maybe not as a decision of Nato, because each decision of Nato has to be approved by each member country.

 

[Cannuck]

Russia used banned phosphorus bombs in Kramatorsk. Earlier, these were dropped on Popasna​

 

[Sutruk]

Boris Romanchenko survived four Nazi concentration camps and was now killed by the russian Hitler, Putin.

Germany honors survivor of Nazi camps, 96, killed in Ukraine​

https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...urvivor-nazi-camps-96-killed-ukraine-83594467

BERLIN -- Germany's parliament on Tuesday paid tribute to Boris Romanchenko, who survived several Nazi concentration camps during World War II but was killed last week during an attack in the Ukrainian city of Kharkiv. He was 96.

The Buchenwald concentration camp memorial said on Monday that Romanchenko, who survived Buchenwald as well as camps at Peenemuende, Dora and Bergen-Belsen, was killed on Friday. It said that, according to his granddaughter, the multistory building where he lived was hit by a projectile.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy noted the sad irony of Romanchenko’s death.

"Just imagine how much he went through!” Zelenskyy said in a video address late Monday. “He survived Buchenwald, Dora, Peenemuende and Bergen-Belson, the conveyors of death created by the Nazis. And he was killed by a Russian shell that hit an ordinary Kharkiv high-rise. With every day of this war, it becomes more and more obvious what they (Russians) mean by ‘de-Nazification.’”

Romanchenko “survived four concentration camps and was now killed in the Russian war of aggression on Ukraine,” Finance Minister Christian Lindner said. “His fate shows both the criminal character of Russian policy and why Germany is showing solidarity with Ukraine, why we must show solidarity.”

 

[topdom]

Ukrainian Nazis kill their own people, use them as human shields, bomb their own buildings and blame Russia, and mainstream media is ready to report its fake news, ..and they will pay for it; but they don't care, because they think it is end of them anyway.

 

[Sutruk]

Ukrainian Nazis kill their own people, use them as human shields, bomb their own buildings and blame Russia, and mainstream media is ready to report its fake news, ..and they will pay for it; but they don't care, because they think it is end of them anyway.

The only real Nazi is your russian Hitler, invading a sovereing country and massacring every day innocent civilians.
Besieging cities, cutting off water, electricity, gas and food supplies to mass starve its citizens, while bombing civilian buildings and streets day and night. Exactly the same way as Hitler did it.

Your russian Hitler is the worst tyrant on this Earth since Hitler. And everyone in this world can see it thanks to the world news and social media. The only ones believing the pathetic lies of the Russian Hitler propaganda are "some" brainwashed russian people that only can see Putin's TV thanks to the dictator censorship of any other news sources.

 

[Sutruk]

U.S.-made Javelin missiles are ‘vital’ to Ukraine’s fight against Russia, experts say​

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...l-ukraines-fight-russia-experts-say-rcna20878

"The lightweight but lethal weapon has, military experts said, helped the underdog Ukrainians inflict major damage on Moscow’s much-vaunted military and stymie their advance.

Not only has the United States-made weapon become a symbol of resistance, it’s been dubbed “Saint Javelin” in a meme circulating on the web created by Canadian marketer Christian Borys, which shows Mary Magdalene, a saint of the Orthodox church, cradling a Javelin in her arms.

“The Javelin, very specifically that system’s advanced capabilities, have been vital to Ukrainian military survival and ability to hold ground” against the Russians, said John Spencer, chair of urban warfare studies at the nonpartisan Madison Policy Forum in New York City.

Produced by defense contractors Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, the 46-pound weapon is shoulder-fired and has the “lethality to penetrate any tank or mobile vehicle on the battlefield,” Spencer said.

“It can also shoot down helicopters,” he said.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1501925343384551430

 

[Sutruk]

"The Ukrainian people are making great sacrifices fighting against Russia’s war machine, and their resistance is helping the free world."

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506313796754804737

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/opinion/op-ed/dont-go-wobbly-on-ukraine-now.html

“Ukrainian forces have defeated the initial Russian campaign of this war. That campaign aimed to conduct airborne and mechanized operations to seize Kyiv, Kharkiv, Odesa, and other major Ukrainian cities to force a change of government in Ukraine,” concludes the Washington-based Institute for the Study War (ISW) in a Saturday analysis.

This is a remarkable achievement. Contrary to Western intelligence predictions, Ukraine’s military and burgeoning civil-defense forces have fought the Russian invaders to a stalemate. The easy victory Vladimir Putin anticipated to install a puppet government has been stymied—albeit at great cost in lost lives and ruined cities.

Yet Mr. Putin shows every sign of continuing his campaign of bombing and starving cities. The rape of Mariupol should be a permanent scar on Russia, like Stalin’s 1940 murder of 22,000 Polish officers and intellectuals in the Katyn forest. Europe hasn’t seen anything like this since World War II. ISW says Russians are digging in around cities as if they plan a long siege. Civilian casualties aren’t incidental. They are central to the dictator’s war strategy.

Mr. Putin hopes to break Ukrainian morale, and sooner or later kill President Volodymyr Zelensky to rob Ukraine of his charismatic leadership."

Ukraine has earned the right to determine what concessions, if any, it can live with. The Ukrainian president has already taken NATO membership off the table, but he understandably is refusing to concede Russian control over Ukrainian territory. No one in the West should pressure him to accept such terms.

The U.S. and Europe can also increase the sanctions pressure on the Kremlin. Sanctions on Russian energy sales still aren’t in place, though they would hurt Mr. Putin’s war financing the most."

 

[oldtimer]

The Humanitarian Disaster in Mariupol is becoming a shameful chapter in the history of the modern World,

Dogs are feeding on corpses and hungry people are resorting to eating dogs.


HumanitarianDisaster.org

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IMO

 

[Cal2]

‘It’s a Sh*tshow’: Russian Troops Are Now Turning on Each Other​

“Even in Chechnya, there was nothing like this,” a soldier tells friend in an intercepted call, as reports emerge of another getting so fed up he ran over his colonel with a tank.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russi...-soldier-is-recorded-telling-another?ref=home

 

[oldtimer]

Although Russia is somewhat more cooperative in evacuating the civilians from other Cities in Ukraine, but when it comes to Mariupol it seems that the around 100k people who are trapped in the center of the City are being held captive intentionally.

Around 15 bus drivers and emergency service personal that were trying to help evacuate the people in Mariupol have been detained as a message to other aid workers to stay away from the City.

It appears that Russia has now decided that it wants to kill the people in Mariupol through starvation rather than by using biological or chemical agents which would have risked angering their ally China. Either way it now has become a Human Catastrophe of huge magnitude.


HumanCatastrophe.org

© All Rights Reserved.


IMO

 

[Kingslayer]

#Chechens from the Sheikh Mansur Volunteer Battalion engaged in battle with the #Russian military near #Kyiv.​

https://twitter.com/x/status/1506353160775950346

 

[Sutruk]

100,000 civilians trapped in Mariupol amid Russia’s ‘constant bombing’, says Zelenskiy​

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-amid-russias-constant-bombing-says-zelenskiy

"Almost 100,000 people remain trapped in the ruined city of Mariupol, facing starvation amid “constant” Russian bombardment, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said, as he appealed for the release of a convoy he said had been captured by Russian forces.

In a video address late on Tuesday, he renewed his calls for Russia to allow safe humanitarian corridors, and said civilians faced “inhumane conditions. In a total siege. Without food, water, medication, under constant shelling and under constant bombing.”

More than 7,000 people had escaped the city in the past 24 hours, he said. However one humanitarian convoy travelling on an agreed route west of the city had been “captured by the occupiers”.

“They bombed us for the past 20 days,” said 39-year-old Viktoria Totsen, who fled into Poland. “During the last five days, the planes were flying over us every five seconds and dropped bombs everywhere on residential buildings, kindergartens, art schools, everywhere.”

“It is clear that the occupiers are not interested in the city of Mariupol, they want to raze it to the ground, to reduce it to ashes of a dead land,” one local official said.

For the first time, there are signs that Ukrainian forces are going on the offensive, retaking a town near Kyiv and launching counter attacks in the south of the country, amid claims that Russian forces have just a few days of supplies remaining.

In the face of intense Ukrainian resistance, the Pentagon believes Russia’s forces may have been reduced by as much as 10% in the four weeks of fighting since the invasion began.

“The Russians may be slightly below a 90% level of assessed available combat power,” a senior defence official told reporters in Washington, adding that some Russian forces were suffering from frostbite.

 

[.X.]

100,000 civilians trapped in Mariupol amid Russia’s ‘constant bombing’, says Zelenskiy​

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-amid-russias-constant-bombing-says-zelenskiy

"Almost 100,000 people remain trapped in the ruined city of Mariupol, facing starvation amid “constant” Russian bombardment, Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has said, as he appealed for the release of a convoy he said had been captured by Russian forces.

In a video address late on Tuesday, he renewed his calls for Russia to allow safe humanitarian corridors, and said civilians faced “inhumane conditions. In a total siege. Without food, water, medication, under constant shelling and under constant bombing.”

More than 7,000 people had escaped the city in the past 24 hours, he said. However one humanitarian convoy travelling on an agreed route west of the city had been “captured by the occupiers”.

“They bombed us for the past 20 days,” said 39-year-old Viktoria Totsen, who fled into Poland. “During the last five days, the planes were flying over us every five seconds and dropped bombs everywhere on residential buildings, kindergartens, art schools, everywhere.”

“It is clear that the occupiers are not interested in the city of Mariupol, they want to raze it to the ground, to reduce it to ashes of a dead land,” one local official said.

For the first time, there are signs that Ukrainian forces are going on the offensive, retaking a town near Kyiv and launching counter attacks in the south of the country, amid claims that Russian forces have just a few days of supplies remaining.

In the face of intense Ukrainian resistance, the Pentagon believes Russia’s forces may have been reduced by as much as 10% in the four weeks of fighting since the invasion began.

“The Russians may be slightly below a 90% level of assessed available combat power,” a senior defence official told reporters in Washington, adding that some Russian forces were suffering from frostbite.

Russia needs to give the civilians say 12 hours to leave .

At this point , I am just worried Putin may say Fuck it , and shred the whole country, I think the original intent was to not destroy the infrastructure, I think that may be off the table now.

 

[Sutruk]

A Letter from A Ukrainian: Why Ukraine’s Already A Winner​

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/op...-ukrainian-why-ukraines-already-a-winner.html

"Shuddering from the explosions outside, leaving home, despair and constant tears, an irreconcilable sense of injustice. We have all watched our democratic Ukraine turn into a country of mass terror and refugees. For almost a month now, Russian President Vladimir Putin has been invading a country of 40 million people in the center of Europe, and continues to massacre ordinary citizens under the guise of fighting Nazism. Most victims of Putin’s war are in the south-eastern regions, where the majority speak Russian. Did Putin really think that Russian speakers in these areas were not Ukrainian and were somehow praying to be ‘rescued’?

I no longer have a life of my own. For me, no-one is uninvolved in the genocide of my nation; and it feels like the passive “uninvolved” observer is as cruel and as responsible as the active murderer.

All the years of my adulthood I had grown accustomed to the words “never again” as an incantation about the horrors of war and terrorism. I’ve always had faith but now I see my long-suffering Ukraine choking with blood once again, as we watch upon fleeing mothers in tears burying their children.

Now my fiancé Pavlo has also gone to the frontline. There are no words to describe what it felt like to watch him go. I was just frozen inside.

But I am still here, in Ukraine. I have moved to Lviv, but sometimes I come back to Kyiv when I need to. The road is dangerous, there are checkpoints and I never travel alone. I try to avoid being besieged and to find myself in an area where there’s fighting. After all, Kyiv is almost completely surrounded.

True, I have plenty of opportunities to get away. There are good conditions abroad and I could experience safety from there, knowing that I don’t have to fall victim to my state’s embattled history. I’m sure no one would judge me. I am blessed every day to receive a bunch of messages offering to welcome me into the comfort of the Western world.

I’m grateful but, you know, I’ll still be here. Because I believe in my army and my people. Because I believe that 80 years of the “Never Again” mantra should produce results.

We are Ukraine. What do we have to defend if we leave? The country and its people are one.

This war is a watershed moment in the history not only in Ukraine, but across the entire civilized world. If Putin wanted to change the world order, he has succeeded, but not in the way he intended. His brutal and cynical aggression has caught the attention of the world.

And while there has been no success yet in halting the war, we know that it has already brought tectonic and irreversible changes for the better.

Ukraine continues to be persecuted because of its chosen political direction. But our country is no longer the helpless victim that simply stands still or rolls over when threatened. In the eight years since Russia attacked our country in 2014, we have rethought a lot of things and prepared for any eventuality.

We believe in our military. We are ready to help our armed forces, we know how to volunteer, we can raise money and we can coordinate aid.

Moreover, we know the territory much better than invading Russian soldiers do. After all, this is our land. And we feel victorious now, because we know how much it means to have values that are important to protect, and to have friends who have each other’s backs.

 

[Mister Funsky]

The link below will take you to an article about the demise of senior staff within the Russian military over the years. Notice the high number of deaths after the little general came to power.

https://informnapalm.org/en/jan13-russia-generals/

https://informnapalm.org/en/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/01/gen2-1024x724.png

 

[.X.]

A Letter from A Ukrainian: Why Ukraine’s Already A Winner​

https://www.kyivpost.com/article/op...-ukrainian-why-ukraines-already-a-winner.html

"Shuddering from the explosions outside, leaving home, despair and constant tears, an irreconcilable sense of injustice. We have all watched our democratic Ukraine turn into a country of mass terror and refugees. For almost a month now, Russian President Vladimir Putin has been invading a country of 40 million people in the center of Europe, and continues to massacre ordinary citizens under the guise of fighting Nazism. Most victims of Putin’s war are in the south-eastern regions, where the majority speak Russian. Did Putin really think that Russian speakers in these areas were not Ukrainian and were somehow praying to be ‘rescued’?

I no longer have a life of my own. For me, no-one is uninvolved in the genocide of my nation; and it feels like the passive “uninvolved” observer is as cruel and as responsible as the active murderer.

All the years of my adulthood I had grown accustomed to the words “never again” as an incantation about the horrors of war and terrorism. I’ve always had faith but now I see my long-suffering Ukraine choking with blood once again, as we watch upon fleeing mothers in tears burying their children.

Now my fiancé Pavlo has also gone to the frontline. There are no words to describe what it felt like to watch him go. I was just frozen inside.

But I am still here, in Ukraine. I have moved to Lviv, but sometimes I come back to Kyiv when I need to. The road is dangerous, there are checkpoints and I never travel alone. I try to avoid being besieged and to find myself in an area where there’s fighting. After all, Kyiv is almost completely surrounded.

True, I have plenty of opportunities to get away. There are good conditions abroad and I could experience safety from there, knowing that I don’t have to fall victim to my state’s embattled history. I’m sure no one would judge me. I am blessed every day to receive a bunch of messages offering to welcome me into the comfort of the Western world.

I’m grateful but, you know, I’ll still be here. Because I believe in my army and my people. Because I believe that 80 years of the “Never Again” mantra should produce results.

We are Ukraine. What do we have to defend if we leave? The country and its people are one.

This war is a watershed moment in the history not only in Ukraine, but across the entire civilized world. If Putin wanted to change the world order, he has succeeded, but not in the way he intended. His brutal and cynical aggression has caught the attention of the world.

And while there has been no success yet in halting the war, we know that it has already brought tectonic and irreversible changes for the better.

Ukraine continues to be persecuted because of its chosen political direction. But our country is no longer the helpless victim that simply stands still or rolls over when threatened. In the eight years since Russia attacked our country in 2014, we have rethought a lot of things and prepared for any eventuality.

We believe in our military. We are ready to help our armed forces, we know how to volunteer, we can raise money and we can coordinate aid.

Moreover, we know the territory much better than invading Russian soldiers do. After all, this is our land. And we feel victorious now, because we know how much it means to have values that are important to protect, and to have friends who have each other’s backs.

When people get older, they get wiser, I have to many regrets through out my life of not “Walking Away” when I knew I had zero chance of winning. Pride, Ego, The love for, none of that produces results or solutions , as much as hurts and may cost someone , it is better to walk away in the end IMO

Stay and fight and pay the ultimate price or be completely crippled the rest of one’s life…

 

[Tatiana_B]

Guys help please. my account with domains in name com was blocked for the fact that I have a residence permit in the east of ukraine in city that is being wiped off the face of the earth???