analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[oldtimer]

I think Russia has plenty more missiles , I think that accusation that they are running short by the media is pure propaganda , how would Russia have fought a long war if they were running out of missiles after 3 weeks of war with Ukraine ?? Russia was/ Is a superpower of the world , I feel really sure they have enough missiles to endure more than a 3 week war with a very small country. The media will have us believe many things that simply make sense from a common sense perspective .. Russia has yet to pull out the modern weaponry IMO .. well they launched one , but I think Putin wanted to use the older weaponry first and felt that was all Russia would need to win the Ukraine conflict .

As you say though, the big question is , Will China supply Russia with any weaponry, I don’t think they will , if they do, that will really open up a huge can of worms IMO

The thing is that Russia is saving its most advanced weapons for future operations (Wars) beyond just Ukraine. Although they used couple of Hypersonic missiles to show off the superiority of those weapons, but they probably don't want to deplete all their supply in Ukraine knowing that they might have to face off with much bigger powers in the future.

So they don't mind buying some cheap less powerful weapons from China right now if they could.

Or they might resorts to using biological and chemical weapons which they don't have to worry about running out because they are easy to make.

IMO

 

[.X.]

The thing is that Russia is saving its most advanced weapons for future operations (Wars) beyond just Ukraine. Although they used couple of Hypersonic missiles to show off the superiority of those weapons, but they probably don't want to deplete all their supply in Ukraine knowing that they might have to face off with much bigger powers in the future.

So they don't mind buying some cheap less powerful weapons from China right now if they could.

Or they might resorts to using biological and chemical weapons which they don't have to worry about running out because they are easy to make.

IMO

I agree , I highly doubt Russia is going to use anything really modern in Ukraine , Russia is taking on a lot of casualties for a small country conflict , but I think they have and are making the necessary corrections to go ahead and get through Ukraine without using modern weaponry, I seriously hope they don’t go biological - chemical on Ukraine , but Russia is known to go that route, so

 

[.X.]

From what I am reading today, Putin appears ready to completely cut ties with the US , now the question of how China will play their cards becomes important to the US , many will say China won’t sanction the US because of the steady cash flow that the US brings it. But times are changing rapidly , China could do such sanctions to the US and move more production into Europe and Africa , possibly getting close to the same result they get from the US IMO , we could becoming upon the question of who is going dump the US , Biden spouting off hasn’t helped the situation , using tactical means of speech would be the better route to go at this point IMO

 

[wwwulff]

China could do such sanctions to the US and move more production into Europe

China can not make a lot of sanctions against US and subsequently do more business with Europe - The United States and Europe are on the same page when it comes to China

 

[oldtimer]

China can not make a lot of sanctions against US and subsequently do more business with Europe - The United States and Europe are on the same page when it comes to China

China is probably going to try to appease all sides to the extent that is possible in order to protect its economical interests,

At least till Nukes start flying, but by then things aren't going to matter as much anymore as far as which side China is on.

IMO

 

[dirk]

China can not make a lot of sanctions against US and subsequently do more business with Europe - The United States and Europe are on the same page when it comes to China

Agreed. And this whole ordeal has only strengthened the US/EU relationship for the foreseeable future.

I guess Biden is doing an ok Job there. Luck may not be the right term to use but given circumstances we're lucky Trump was ditched. Can't imagine the 2 continents working this closely together under Trump. I think the US and EU are well fitted allies both economically and millitary once the EU does some additional spending on defense.

Basically everything China/Russia didn't want to ever happen.

 

[.X.]

China can not make a lot of sanctions against US and subsequently do more business with Europe - The United States and Europe are on the same page when it comes to China

Times are changing rapidly right now , if it comes down to feast or famine, I think the EU will feed itself , the UK could branch out as well IMO , I feel there are some awakenings coming , to whom is the question IMO

 

[oldtimer]

The question is did it really have to come to this where everyone has to take sides now,

There was a time where both Russia and China were seeing it to be in their interest to keep good relations with the West,

What went wrong and why were they both alienated over the past decade.

IMO

 

[wwwulff]

What went wrong and why were they both alienated over the past decade

Short answer: Trump - China has not yet chosen side, but they may be forced to do so, especially if the war accelerates and drags out and certainly if Russia chooses to use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and my guess would be that they ends up on our side

 

[oldtimer]

Short answer: Trump - China has not yet chosen side, but they may be forced to do so, especially if the war accelerates and drags out and certainly if Russia chooses to use chemical, biological or nuclear weapons and my guess would be that they ends up on our side

So you don't blame the NATO at all for having a design on Russia and China for the past decade or so to undermine their way of life and government.

IMO

 

[.X.]

The question is did it really have to come to this where everyone has to take sides now,

There was a time where both Russia and China were seeing it to be in their interest to keep good relations with the West,

What went wrong and why were they both alienated over the past decade.

IMO

I think the reasoning is the times the world is in , Covid has hurt every country financially really bad, now this conflict and the fact that at this point it won’t end well at all, China will most likely be faced with the choice , essentially the US could go completely broke , there are far more scenarios that break the US than there are that the US can bounce back , China will embrace Russia as opposed to the US if it comes to that IMO , if the EU slid in, I think the UK follows IMO .. it comes down to food and supply , the warm friendships of countries will change hands IMO

 

[oldtimer]

On a side note:

As we eat our dinner in the comfort of our home we should remember all those who are suffering from hunger or worse dying of starvation around the World,

Whether it’s the people trapped in Mariupol and other Ukrainian Cities or whether it’s the children that are the victims of the grownup's politics in Afghanistan and Yemen or the many other places around the World that are dealing with external or internal conflicts, it is a shame that these situations are still going on in the year 2022.

It’s easy for some to put all the troubles of the World out of their mind and live with no care as to what is going on in distant places specially if those people are of other races and ethnicities,

But as we have witnessed recently it’s no longer possible for any Country to isolate itself from what is going on in the rest of the World,

Whether we like it or not sooner or later everyone is going to be affected in one way or another by all the conflicts and animosities that are arising in far away corners of the World,

If not because of the Wars, but as we have seen our lives can also be adversely affected by Pandemics or problems with the Environment,

Considering that most of these problems are manmade or that are made worse by us not taking the appropriate actions at the right time it begs the question as to why are we doing all this to ourselves and to our Home Planet.

IMO

 

[wwwulff]

So you don't blame the NATO at all for having a design on Russia and China for the past decade or so to undermine their way of life and government.

Their way of life? If you ask if I have any respect for dictators and autocrats who oppress their people, steal the country's values, do not allow free media and do not respect human rights, then the answer is a clear no - NATO is a defense alliance and has never threatened either Russia or China directly, but of course works on Western values and believes that all countries have their right to self-determination and this also applies to Ukraine

 

[oldtimer]

Their way of life? If you ask if I have any respect for dictators and autocrats who oppress their people, steal the country's values, do not allow free media and do not respect human rights, then the answer is a clear no - NATO is a defense alliance and has never threatened either Russia or China directly, but of course works on Western values and believes that all countries have their right to self-determination and this also applies to Ukraine

I am not talking about today, but at the time that there was a better relations between the West and Russia wouldn't it have been better for NATO to promote the Western values of democracy and human rights to them through other means than putting missile systems in Eastern European Countries that were so close to Moscow.

IMO

 

[Igor Gabrielan]

I am not talking about today, but at the time that there was a better relations between the West and Russia wouldn't it have been better for NATO to promote the Western values of democracy and human rights to them through other means than putting missile systems in Eastern European Countries that were so close to Moscow.

IMO

What missile systems are located in the eastern countries of NATO?

 

[oldtimer]

What missile systems are located in the eastern countries of NATO?

BMD

Creating a Ballistic missiles system that could reach Moscow in half an hour was perhaps a wrong message to give to Russia at the time when there was hope for having better relations with them (hence the fact that Russia has now developed the Hypersonic missiles that can reach European Cities in half an hour).

Things didn't have to get escalated like this if all sides had ended their cold war mentality and worked towards improving the relations between themselves back when there was still a chance.

IMO

 

[Cannuck]

So you don't blame the NATO at all for having a design on Russia and China for the past decade or so to undermine their way of life and government.

NATO is a blanket organization. Personally, I don't think Canada or Latvia for example, had any reason to confront Russia except in ice hockey, and we share a passion for the sport. Still, no reason to invade Ukraine besides being given a green light (as per US foreign policy).

Putin had given several warnings to the West, just as Trump threw insults at China, which kinda makes me think we are all paying the price for our leaders' foreign policy myopia and hubris.

 

[Igor Gabrielan]

BMD

Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System​

It would be strange if the NATO countries did not have defensive weapons against missiles. Although it is unlikely that it can prevent a massive missile attack. And there were no offensive missile systems in the eastern NATO countries at all?

 

[topdom]

Nato was designed as DS army, and mostly attacked its member countries from inside. Its members may have attacked various external countries, but not sure which ones were made under Nato umbrella. You can assume all wars made by US were done by DS , since ww2, but maybe not as a decision of Nato, because each decision of Nato has to be approved by each member country.

 

[Cannuck]

Russia used banned phosphorus bombs in Kramatorsk. Earlier, these were dropped on Popasna​