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[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[topdom]

Connection between "Ukraine" and Covid: blue-yellow programming.

See the middle part of (for example start from: 24:00 )

https://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-c...d-japan-earthquake-we-the-people-3622449.html

original source found:

https://rumble.com/vxp35f-situation-update-31722.html

 

[bmugford]

Interesting study on conspiracy theories...explains a lot.

NEED FOR UNIQUENESS AND BELIEF IN CONSPIRACY THEORIES 1 “I Know Things They Don’t Know!” The Role of Need for Uniqueness in Belief in Conspiracy Theories Anthony Lantian1,2, Dominique Muller1 , and Cécile Nurra1 1Univ. Grenoble Alpes 2Current address: LAPPS, UPL, Université Paris Nanterre, France Karen M. Douglas3 3University of Kent

In the current research, we investigated whether belief in conspiracy theories satisfies people’s need for uniqueness. We found that the tendency to believe in conspiracy theories was associated with the feeling of possessing scarce information about the situations explained by the conspiracy theories (Study 1) and higher need for uniqueness (Study 2). A further two studies using two different manipulations of need for uniqueness (Studies 3 and 4), showed that people in a high need for uniqueness condition displayed higher conspiracy belief than people in a low need for uniqueness condition. This conclusion is strengthened by a small-scale meta-analysis. These studies suggest that conspiracy theories may serve people’s desire to be unique, highlighting a motivational underpinning of conspiracy belief.

 

[dirk]

Former televangelist Pat Robertson had an interesting take on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying Russian President Vladimir Putin is being "driven by God" to bring about Armaggedon.

"The dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring” (Revelation 12:17).

And so on... Read up on revelations for those interested. If he (Putin) would be part of this, logical conclusion would be he is driven by Satan.

 

[bmugford]

"The dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to make war against the rest of her offspring” (Revelation 12:17).

And so on... Read up on revelations for those interested. If he (Putin) would be part of this, logical conclusion would be he is driven by Satan.

You see the mistake you made is trying to introduce logic into the debate.

Brad

 

[Cal2]

I think that is why so many religious extremists support Putin and Russia.

I am not sure if it is rooting for end times, or if they are just pulling for an autocratic dictator who will impose their vision of the world on others... but there is a lot of support from the extreme religious for Putin.

People like Pat Robertson -

Former televangelist Pat Robertson says Putin is beginning Armageddon​

Former televangelist Pat Robertson had an interesting take on Russia's invasion of Ukraine, saying Russian President Vladimir Putin is being "driven by God" to bring about Armaggedon.​

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https://www.jpost.com/international/article-699091

I have seen multiple other comments from religious extremists that seem to feel that Putin is carrying out God's will or some BS.

Brad

From your link:

"The Evangelist leader, who made similar claims of end times in 1976 and 1990,......"

Tells me everything.

I sometimes pointy stick a friend by saying I'm a better prophet than his (fake) prophets, when he gets on to me about them. I use my 'prophecy' of "There will be wars and rumours of wars". And every year, I'm proved right.

 

[mr-x]

11 MARCH 2022

United Nations Not Aware of Any Biological Weapons Programmes, Disarmament Chief Affirms as Security Council Meets to Address Related Concerns in Ukraine​

https://www.un.org/press/en/2022/sc14827.doc.htm

I never mention weapons or claimed bio-weapons were being produced. I wrote the labs contained anthrax. I was asked for proof. I provided it.

You guys need to read before reacting reflexively.

 

[Cannuck]

Yes, a bombed landmark, and next to the DramTheater (by the way, during the war, the dead Nazis were buried behind the drama theater) , the highest Christian Cathedral in Europe. I don’t know if the cathedral has survived ... most likely the apartment cannot be restored ...

Survivors trapped in the basement may be helped, but continued Russian bombing apparently prevents rescue operations.

now we are sitting with a relative in Kramatorsk where there is no gasoline only diesel

I/we can only imagine, in fact it's difficult to conceive conditions on the ground. Our prayers are with you and yours, stay safe and keep us posted as much as possible, thank you in advance.

Funny.

You have a very sardonic sense of humour

 

[bmugford]

Wed Mar 9, 2022 - 10:51 am EST
(LifeSiteNews) — Unearthed emails show that the U.S. assisted with setting up biosecurity laboratories in Ukraine, as a high-ranking U.S. official acknowledges that the U.S. does have such laboratories in Ukraine, despite former denials.

The National Pulse reported March 8 it had unearthed a since-deleted 2010 article showing that then-Sen. Barack Obama had been involved in setting up a laboratory since 2005 — the Interim Central Reference Laboratory in Odessa.

“The level-3 bio-safety lab, which is the first built under the expanded authority of the Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction program, will be used to study anthrax, tularemia and Q fever as well as other dangerous pathogens,” read the article.

As noted by The National Pulse, the Odessa-based bio-lab was referenced in a 2011 report (from the U.S. National Academy of Sciences’ Committee on Anticipating Biosecurity Challenges of the Global Expansion of High-Containment Biological Laboratories), explaining how the laboratory “is responsible for the identification of especially dangerous biological pathogens.”

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/d...s-as-confusion-reigns-over-pathogens-studied/

Do have have anything from a credible source? This is basically one obscure rag referencing another obscure rag in their article.

LifeSiteNews is a Canadian Catholic far-right anti-abortion advocacy website and news publication. LifeSiteNews has published misleading information and conspiracy theories, and in 2021, was banned from some social media platforms for spreading COVID-19 misinformation. Wikipedia
Founder(s): Campaign Life Coalition

It is also kind of irrelevant to the main point. Again, I know several people who work in biolabs - doctors, scientists, chemists, researchers, etc. Biolabs do not equal bioweapons. Pathogens and diseases are studied far more for medical reasons, than bioweapon reasons.

Do you have any actual compelling evidence that anything related to bioweapons went on in the biolabs? If not people are just using wild speculation and making a dangerous (and irresponsible) leap to further Putin's propaganda.

Brad

 

[dirk]

You see the mistake you made is trying to introduce logic into the debate.

Brad

LogicAndCompassion.com

© All Rights Reserved.

 

[mr-x]

Do have have anything from a credible source? This is basically one obscure rag referencing another obscure rag in their article.

Face The Nation @FaceTheNation March 13, 2022

.@CBSDavidMartin says that a Pentagon official he talked to this morning said there is no movement of chemical weapons into Ukraine, but the concern is that Russia may move to seize a biomedical research facility, weaponize a pathogen, then blame it on Ukraine & the U.S.

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LifeSiteNews is a Canadian Catholic far-right anti-abortion advocacy website and news publication. LifeSiteNews has published misleading information and conspiracy theories, and in 2021, was banned from some social media platforms for spreading COVID-19 misinformation. Wikipedia
Founder(s): Campaign Life Coalition

It is also kind of irrelevant to the main point. Again, I know several people who work in biolabs - doctors, scientists, chemists, researchers, etc. Biolabs do not equal bioweapons. Pathogens and diseases are studied far more for medical reasons, than bioweapon reasons.

Do you have any actual compelling evidence that anything related to bioweapons went on in the biolabs? If not people are just using wild speculation and making a dangerous (and irresponsible) leap to further Putin's propaganda.

Brad

Kind of weird watching you guys melt down over the idea a bio-lab would have anthrax that could be weaponized and used by Russia in a false flag operation.

I never claimed there were bio-weapons. That is the left's propaganda machine.


On the other hand, would you put it past the USA to study weaponizing bio-hazards in other countries because we can't do it legally by treaty?

 

[bmugford]

Eerik N Kross 🇪🇪🇺🇦🇮🇱🇪🇺 @EerikNKross March 18, 2022

🇺🇦 forces have killed the commander of the 🇷🇺8th Guards Combined Arms Army, Lt Gen Andrey Mordvichev, in an attack at Kherson airport. Highest ranking 🇷🇺 KIA in the war. 8th army commands the Russian forces in Donbass since 2017.

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[rh2000]

Survivors trapped in the basement may be helped, but continued Russian bombing apparently prevents rescue operations.

I/we can only imagine, in fact it's difficult to conceive conditions on the ground. Our prayers are with you and yours, stay safe and keep us posted as much as possible, thank you in advance.

You have a very sardonic sense of humour

 

[mr-x]

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I'm not liking this to make fun of the situation, just the amount of propaganda and knee jerk reactions to contrary ideas and FACTS.

 

[bmugford]

Face The Nation @FaceTheNation March 13, 2022

.@CBSDavidMartin says that a Pentagon official he talked to this morning said there is no movement of chemical weapons into Ukraine, but the concern is that Russia may move to seize a biomedical research facility, weaponize a pathogen, then blame it on Ukraine & the U.S.

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So, that says absolutely nothing about Ukraine having biolabs that have anything to do with bioweapons.

Biolabs often study pathogens and infectious diseases, almost always for medical research.

More than 320 labs are registered in the United States to work with the most deadly biological agents, including anthrax. Jun 3, 2015

Again, it is not rare for biolabs to work with dangerous pathogens for medical research.

"but the concern is that Russia may move to seize a biomedical research facility, weaponize a pathogen, then blame it on Ukraine & the U.S."

I would agree. The concern is that Russia might try to weaponize a pathogen.

Brad

 

[Mister Funsky]

I wonder how many times the little general has read Mein Kampf?

 

[mr-x]

So, that says absolutely nothing about Ukraine having biolabs that have anything to do with bioweapons.

1) I never said the labs were making or had bio-weapons.

2) I said the labs had anthrax, was asked to site a source and sited two.

3) The whole point was not that Ukraine has bio-weapons, it was that Ukraine had many bio-labs that were used to research bio-hazards.

Biolabs often study pathogens and infections diseases, almost always for medical research.

More than 320 labs are registered in the United States to work with the most deadly biological agents, including anthrax. Jun 3, 2015

Again, it is not rare for biolabs to work with dangerous pathogens for medical research.

"but the concern is that Russia may move to seize a biomedical research facility, weaponize a pathogen, then blame it on Ukraine & the U.S."

I would agree. The concern is that Russia might try to weaponize a pathogen.

Brad

 

[bmugford]

1) I never said the labs were making or had bio-weapons.

2) I said the labs had anthrax, was asked to site a source and sited two.

3) The whole point was not that Ukraine has bio-weapons, it was that Ukraine had many bio-labs that were used to research bio-hazards.

You might not be, but many others are making a false connection that biolab = bioweapon, or at least trying to imply that.

Biolabs study pathogens and diseases. That is what they do. That is why there are advances in medicine.
There are thousands and thousands of biolabs around the globe. There is nothing unique about a biolab in Ukraine.

Trying to make any connection between biolab and bioweapon is absurd. I am glad you are not doing it.

Brad

 

[Cannuck]

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[mr-x]

Your source news are conspiracy news. You are just siding Putin's disinformation propaganda machine.
In fact,

No both of my sources are good. You're being reactionary because you think we are disagreeing.

Just like Senator Romney calling Sen. Tulsi Gabbard a traitor because she wanted to secure the labs so Russia couldn't have them. He read the first sentence of her tweet and his emotions took over.

Happens to all of us.

Face The Nation @FaceTheNation March 13, 2022

.@CBSDavidMartin says that a Pentagon official he talked to this morning said there is no movement of chemical weapons into Ukraine, but the concern is that Russia may move to seize a biomedical research facility, weaponize a pathogen, then blame it on Ukraine & the U.S.

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it is Russia that has long maintained a biological weapons program in violation of international law. It is Russia that has a well-documented history of using chemical weapons.

That was the point. Russia weaponizing the material in the lab and using it, then blaming Ukraine and the USA.

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The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Linda Thomas-Greenfield, denounced Russia on Friday for their false allegations about "biological weapons".

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...an-attacks-hit-near-lviv-n1292187#ncrd1292309

"There are no Ukrainian biological weapons laboratories — not near Russia's border, not anywhere. There are only public health facilities, proudly — and I say proudly — supported and recognized by the U.S. government, the World Health Organization, and other governments and international institutions," she said. "In fact, it is Russia that has long maintained a biological weapons program in violation of international law. It is Russia that has a well-documented history of using chemical weapons. It is Russia who is the aggressor here."

The ambassador said the U.S. has deep concerns that Russia's decision to call Friday's meeting over the allegations "is a potential false flag effort in action."

"Russia has repeatedly — repeatedly — accused other countries of the very violations it plans to perpetrate. We continue to believe it is possible that Russia may be planning to use chemical or biological agents against the Ukrainian people," she said.

 

[Sutruk]

No both of my sources are good. You're being reactionary because you think we are disagreeing.

First of all, if a biolab have anthrax it doesn't mean that they have a bio-weapon.
And you said that Anthrax is a bio-weapon.

OK. If you believe anthrax isn't a bio-weapon.

Anthrax per se is NOT a bioweapon. You need to multiply the pathogen and enhance it to be considered a bio-weapon.

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What is Anthrax?​

https://www.cdc.gov/anthrax/basics/index.html

"Anthrax is a serious infectious disease caused by gram-positive, rod-shaped bacteria known as Bacillus anthracis. It occurs naturally in soil and commonly affects domestic and wild animals around the world. People can get sick with anthrax if they come in contact with infected animals or contaminated animal products. Anthrax can cause severe illness in both humans and animals."

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Second, what Tucker Carlson said was precisely that "Someone needs to explain why there are dangerous biological weapons in Ukraine" and that affirmation is COMPLETELY FALSE.
As I have already probed, you can study anthrax in a lab, but that anthrax per se IS NOT A BIOWEAPON. You need to multiply and enhance the pathogen to turn it into a "bioweapon".

Tucker Carlson: Someone needs to explain why there are dangerous biological weapons in Ukraine​

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-we-have-right-know-this

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So the main point is why that Putin's puppet Tucker Carlson is blatantly lying on TV Fox News?
Spreading disinformation or just plain ignorance of Putin's puppet in Fox News?