analysis World War III

[oldtimer]

I believe that President Biden was right when he said that Russia is going to Invade Ukraine.

Any intelligent person is going to come to the same conclusion knowing that Russia has already decided to pay any price imposed on it by the West through sanctions.

Short of full military confrontation by the West there is nothing that can make Russia to change its mind as they see this as a golden opportunity to resurrect the once powerful superpower that was equal to the USA.

But Russia’s ambitions are not going to stop with taking over Ukraine since it already has made plans to increase its sphere of influence to Asia, Middle East, and South America and perhaps the whole World knowing that the West is most likely not going to do anything beyond just imposing sanctions which ultimately will hurt the West itself by effecting the Global economy in an adverse way the longer that they go on.

I personally don’t like any of the old ideologies, philosophies, and doctrines of Capitalism, Communism, Socialism, Religious Fundamentalism and all the other “ism” that are derived from the bad human characteristics of Greed, Lust, Hate, Cruelty, Jealousy, Prejudice, and lack of Empathy and that have been infringing on our rights in one way or another throughout the history because they can only exist through supporting inequality, oppression, suppression, torture, killing, and War.

When it comes to saving the World the last thing that I want to see is the further expansion of these old systems that have all already proven to be a failure in dealing with the existential problems that are currently facing Humanity and the Environment.

We don’t want all these political, Religious, and Racial parties and groups to resurrect their past, we want something new that can propel the World into the next Era that is based on the Universal Principles and Values that have been derived through Logic and Compassion and not through Force and Violence.

By “We” I mean all the Intelligent, Righteous, and Peace loving people of the World.

IMO

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[Sutruk]

More atrocities by Putler's troops. Images are hard to see, but it's being harder for the people suffering the bombing there day and night. The world must see the massacre that Putin is inflicting in Ukraine.
And a picture is worth a thousand words.

Emine Dzheppar @EmineDzheppar April 6, 2022

#Luhansk region.
Over the past 24 hours, #Russian occupants have damaged 2 high-rise buildings & 9 private homes+burned garages.#Russia continues to insidiously fire on residential areas with various weapons, trying to completely destroy🇺🇦civilian population & infrastructure.

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[Sutruk]

Images from another massacred city, Borodianka.

Emine Dzheppar @EmineDzheppar April 6, 2022

Another video from #Borodianka.
The town was destroyed by #Russian invaders.Those who still cooperate with #Russia or refuse to strengthen sanctions against🇷🇺 because of money, must watch the video&realize that "Russian peace" can come to their house. No money will save them then

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#Borodianka, #Kyiv region. It is almost totally destroyed by #Russian occupants that cynically and brutally killed everyone and ruined everything on their way.

Emine Dzheppar @EmineDzheppar April 6, 2022

#Borodianka, #Kyiv region.
It is almost totally destroyed by #Russian occupants that cynically and brutally killed everyone and ruined everything on their way.#RussiaInvadedUkraine#BuchaMassacre#StandWithUkraine#StopRussianAgression#StopPutin

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[Sutruk]

"While some worry about the costs of banning Russian energy, the similarities between the Nazi’s & the actions of Putin's regime grow closer… We may never know the extent of the crimes against Ukrainians. We have to stop this."

Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt April 6, 2022

While some worry about the costs of banning Russian energy, the similarities between the Nazi’s & the actions of Putin's regime grow closer…

We may never know the extent of the crimes against Ukrainians. We have to stop this.

Full embargo now !

The Kyiv Independent @KyivIndependent

⚡️Mariupol City Council: Russia uses mobile crematoriums to erase evidence of its war crimes.

According to the council, Russia’s special brigades collect and burn the bodies of murdered residents. Tens of thousands of civilians may have been killed in Mariupol, it added.

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[Sutruk]

Great speech by Guy Verhofstadt. Worth to listen:

Guy Verhofstadt @guyverhofstadt April 6, 2022

Your strategy of incremental sanctions doesn’t work. Cannot work…

That’s why 212 members of Parliament demand a special #EUCO meeting to decide on full sanctions immediately!

My speech👇🏻

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[oldtimer]

UN is to vote to suspend Russia from the Human Rights Council.

Ukraine government asks civilians to leave while they still can as Killing intensifies in the Donbas region.

IMO

 

[Cal2]

Intercepted Calls Prove Russia’s ‘Strategy’ of War Crimes​

Three separate mass graves have been found in Bucha as authorities there begin the grim task of trying to clean up the devastated town where Russian troops are accused of heinous war crimes, according to the mayor.

And while the Kremlin has put forward increasingly conspiratorial denials—calling the massacre a “well-rehearsed show” by Ukraine and its Western allies—German intelligence has reportedly intercepted radio chatter between Russian troops that blow Russia’s denials right out of the water. ....

Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service reportedly presented audio of the communications to lawmakers on Wednesday. The communications are said to match the locations of bodies found in the town and suggest that such executions of civilians are taking place in other Ukrainian cities, namely in areas surrounding besieged Mariupol. The killings are described as part of a “clear strategy” to terrify civilians into submission.

https://news.yahoo.com/intercepted-calls-prove-russia-deliberate-111856616.html

 

[Kingslayer]

Analysis:

I see a very high probably that Russia having had its back against the wall in the United Nations is going to lash out outside of Ukraine.

Most probably in the way of attacking the oilfields in the Middle East which will achieve serval strategic goals at the same time.

First it will take the World’s attention off of the War crimes in Ukraine.

Second it will cause a major global economical emergency in retaliation for all the sanctions.

Thirdly it will force the European Countries to have to depend even more on Russia’s gas.

How would the World respond to this isn’t that hard to predict, from what we have seen so far no one would probably dare retaliate against Russia militarily in fear of starting a Nuclear War.

IMO

With respect OldTimer you are obsessed over WW3/nuclear war and keep bringing it up in just about every post you make, I understand you may be worried about the prospect of a world conflict (hence creating the thread initially), but this has actually eased since the start of last month and there's no basis behind your claims of Russia "going to lash out outside of Ukraine" because you believe Russia "know the west isn't going to go all in a nuclear war" and because "Russia are a wounded animal and this automatically puts them at an advantage" how does being wounded put them at an advantage?

Each minute they spend in Ukraine they are getting weaker and weaker, so your views don't make any sense, it's like saying a tired bashed up boxer who's been knocked down multiple times by a weaker opponent and who didn’t look that strong to begin with, is now favourite against a new fresh opponent just entering the ring and taking over, who is world champion (NATO).

There is no basis behind your claims that Russia are going to lash out with nukes, so bringing it up all the time along with looking at the thread title, you are taking the thread in a whole different direction to what most people are using this thread for (Russia’s invasion of Ukraine).

I've requested the thread title be changed to 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' as that’s what we are all talking about here, not WW3.

 

[Kingslayer]

Intercepted audio reveals Russian troops' complaints about being outnumbered - and their orders to shoot civilians​

A Russian commander allegedly ordered his soldiers to shoot and "take out" Ukrainian civilians near the besieged city of Mariupol, according to what Kyiv said was an intercepted radio conversation.

In a recording released by Ukraine's SBU security service reported by The Times, an unnamed soldier says: "There are two people coming out of the grove in civilian [clothes]."

He also says that a vehicle has been seen but it is unclear if it is civilian or military.

"Take them all f***ing out!" his superior shouts in response, adding that it was not important if there were non-combatants or not at the scene. "Off them all, f***!"

"Got it," the soldier says.

The Times reported that based on the soldiers' comments, the incident is believed to have taken place in a village near Mariupol.

In the leaked recording, another Russian soldier complained that he and his colleagues are vastly outnumbered and receiving no support from Moscow.

"Their [Ukrainian] group has 150,000 [soldiers]!" he says.

"And there's, f***, 3,000 of us, if that... They are on the left, on the right, encircling us, f***! There's so many of them and so few of us. We don't have any support, no aviation, not a f***ing thing."

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These are not the intercepted audio by Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service @Cal2 posted about (above), but another instance.

 

[.X.]

With respect OldTimer you are obsessed over WW3/nuclear war and keep bringing it up in just about every post you make, I understand you may be worried about the prospect of a world conflict (hence creating the thread initially), but this has actually eased since the start of last month and there's no basis behind your claims of Russia "going to lash out outside of Ukraine" because you believe Russia "know the west isn't going to go all in a nuclear war" and because "Russia are a wounded animal and this automatically puts them at an advantage" how does being wounded put them at an advantage?

Each minute they spend in Ukraine they are getting weaker and weaker, so your views don't make any sense, it's like saying a tired bashed up boxer who's been knocked down multiple times by a weaker opponent and who didn’t look that strong to begin with, is now favourite against a new fresh opponent just entering the ring and taking over, who is world champion (NATO).

There is no basis behind your claims that Russia are going to lash out with nukes, so bringing it up all the time along with looking at the thread title, you are taking the thread in a whole different direction to what most people are using this thread for (Russia’s invasion of Ukraine).

I've requested the thread title be changed to 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' as that’s what we are all talking about here, not WW3.

Putin did say he will use nuclear weapons , with the state of mind Putin is in , it could certainly happen IMO , Putin has absolutely no exit for himself now , Putin is and has always been very prideful, extremely egotistical, and power hungry , Putin is wealthy beyond wealthy , I see a very good chance that WWlll can occur , Putin has no options to turn to and redeem his status to the world now , Putin is KGB and USSR at heart .

What will be bad is if Putin is underestimated , it won’t take much to fuel Putins fire now

 

[Sutruk]

Intercepted Calls Prove Russia’s ‘Strategy’ of War Crimes​

Three separate mass graves have been found in Bucha as authorities there begin the grim task of trying to clean up the devastated town where Russian troops are accused of heinous war crimes, according to the mayor.

And while the Kremlin has put forward increasingly conspiratorial denials—calling the massacre a “well-rehearsed show” by Ukraine and its Western allies—German intelligence has reportedly intercepted radio chatter between Russian troops that blow Russia’s denials right out of the water. ....

Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service reportedly presented audio of the communications to lawmakers on Wednesday. The communications are said to match the locations of bodies found in the town and suggest that such executions of civilians are taking place in other Ukrainian cities, namely in areas surrounding besieged Mariupol. The killings are described as part of a “clear strategy” to terrify civilians into submission.

https://news.yahoo.com/intercepted-calls-prove-russia-deliberate-111856616.html

"Der Spiegel reports that German intelligence obtained communications between Russian soldiers in which, among other things, they admit to gunning down a civilian on a bicycle—a shocking murder that was captured in aerial footage recorded by Ukraine’s military while Russian forces controlled the town."

This is the video of Putin's troops killing the civilian on a bicycle:

 

[Sutruk]

Intercepted Calls Prove Russia’s ‘Strategy’ of War Crimes​

Three separate mass graves have been found in Bucha as authorities there begin the grim task of trying to clean up the devastated town where Russian troops are accused of heinous war crimes, according to the mayor.

And while the Kremlin has put forward increasingly conspiratorial denials—calling the massacre a “well-rehearsed show” by Ukraine and its Western allies—German intelligence has reportedly intercepted radio chatter between Russian troops that blow Russia’s denials right out of the water. ....

Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service reportedly presented audio of the communications to lawmakers on Wednesday. The communications are said to match the locations of bodies found in the town and suggest that such executions of civilians are taking place in other Ukrainian cities, namely in areas surrounding besieged Mariupol. The killings are described as part of a “clear strategy” to terrify civilians into submission.

https://news.yahoo.com/intercepted-calls-prove-russia-deliberate-111856616.html

Intercepted audio reveals Russian troops' complaints about being outnumbered - and their orders to shoot civilians​

A Russian commander allegedly ordered his soldiers to shoot and "take out" Ukrainian civilians near the besieged city of Mariupol, according to what Kyiv said was an intercepted radio conversation.

In a recording released by Ukraine's SBU security service reported by The Times, an unnamed soldier says: "There are two people coming out of the grove in civilian [clothes]."

He also says that a vehicle has been seen but it is unclear if it is civilian or military.

"Take them all f***ing out!" his superior shouts in response, adding that it was not important if there were non-combatants or not at the scene. "Off them all, f***!"

"Got it," the soldier says.

The Times reported that based on the soldiers' comments, the incident is believed to have taken place in a village near Mariupol.

In the leaked recording, another Russian soldier complained that he and his colleagues are vastly outnumbered and receiving no support from Moscow.

"Their [Ukrainian] group has 150,000 [soldiers]!" he says.

"And there's, f***, 3,000 of us, if that... They are on the left, on the right, encircling us, f***! There's so many of them and so few of us. We don't have any support, no aviation, not a f***ing thing."

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These are not the intercepted audio by Germany’s Federal Intelligence Service @Cal2 posted about (above), but another instance.

The evidences of the deliberate targeting of civilians by Putin's troops are stacking everyday.
And it is quite clear that all those monsters deliberately killing civilians are following direct orders from the Russian Hitler. Nobody moves a finger there without Putler's approval.

And even with all the videos of russians bombing civilian buildings, photos, intercepted calls, testimonies and proves (people found tortured and dead) of those war crimes, it's quite astonishing that there are people out there still believing all the shit coming from Putler's propaganda.

 

[oldtimer]

With respect OldTimer you are obsessed over WW3/nuclear war and keep bringing it up in just about every post you make, I understand you may be worried about the prospect of a world conflict (hence creating the thread initially), but this has actually eased since the start of last month and there's no basis behind your claims of Russia "going to lash out outside of Ukraine" because you believe Russia "know the west isn't going to go all in a nuclear war" and because "Russia are a wounded animal and this automatically puts them at an advantage" how does being wounded put them at an advantage?

Each minute they spend in Ukraine they are getting weaker and weaker, so your views don't make any sense, it's like saying a tired bashed up boxer who's been knocked down multiple times by a weaker opponent and who didn’t look that strong to begin with, is now favourite against a new fresh opponent just entering the ring and taking over, who is world champion (NATO).

There is no basis behind your claims that Russia are going to lash out with nukes, so bringing it up all the time along with looking at the thread title, you are taking the thread in a whole different direction to what most people are using this thread for (Russia’s invasion of Ukraine).

I've requested the thread title be changed to 'Russian invasion of Ukraine' as that’s what we are all talking about here, not WW3.

Putin did say he will use nuclear weapons , with the state of mind Putin is in , it could certainly happen IMO , Putin has absolutely no exit for himself now , Putin is and has always been very prideful, extremely egotistical, and power hungry , Putin is wealthy beyond wealthy , I see a very good chance that WWlll can occur , Putin has no options to turn to and redeem his status to the world now , Putin is KGB and USSR at heart .

What will be bad is if Putin is underestimated , it won’t take much to fuel Putins fire now

We need to analyze every probability and possibility in this situation and some of it obviously is going to go beyond Ukraine.

In a way you got me wrong as what I am trying to say is that since the West is really not so anxious to start a Nuclear War with Russia and the fact that Russia is now faced with its own economical demise that makes perfect sense that it might lash out beyond Ukraine.

It could use a limited Nuclear strike, but it can also just use conventional missiles to bring the World economy to a stand still.

That's a real possibility that needs to be looked at.

Although I am very sympathetic to what is happening to the Ukrainian people right now, but we can't keep this thread limited just to Ukraine since this situation can eventually get some of the Eastern European Countries involved too.

And don't forget there could also be trouble starting in other hot spots around the World such as North Korea, Pakistan, Taiwan which in my opinion they all can be discussed in this thread once a real threat to the World materializes in those places.

Nevertheless lets not try to discourage other people from giving their opinion specially if they are based on logic.

IMO

 

[.X.]

"Der Spiegel reports that German intelligence obtained communications between Russian soldiers in which, among other things, they admit to gunning down a civilian on a bicycle—a shocking murder that was captured in aerial footage recorded by Ukraine’s military while Russian forces controlled the town."

This is the video of Putin's troops killing the civilian on a bicycle:

Is what we are seeing Military, or Mercenaries ? I tend to favor it being Mercenaries. Possibly even Belarusian. I suspect during the hottest times of Russian military bombings , that Mercenaries were entering Ukraine while all the chaos was happening , Mercenaries can easily distribute themselves through out Ukraine and blend right in to the civilian population .

 

[Sutruk]

Is what we are seeing Military, or Mercenaries ? I tend to favor it being Mercenaries. Possibly even Belarusian. I suspect during the hottest times of Russian military bombings , that Mercenaries were entering Ukraine while all the chaos was happening , Mercenaries can easily distribute themselves through out Ukraine and blend right in to the civilian population .

I don't think mercenaries go there with big russian tanks. They are russian soldiers. Although there are also russian mercenaries there from private companies, together with syrian and chechen ones.

 

[.X.]

We need to analyze every probability and posibility in this situation and some of it obviously is going to go beyond Ukraine.

In a way you got me wrong as what I am trying to say is that since the West is really not so anxious to start a Nuclear War with Russia and the fact that Russia is now faced with its own economical demise that makes perfect sense that it might lash out beyond Ukraine.

It could use a limited Nuclear strike, but it cam also just use conventional missiles to bring the World economy to a stand still.

That's a real posibility that needs to be looked at.

Although I am very sympathetic to what is happening to the Ukrainian people right now, but we can't keep this thread limited just to Ukraine since this situation can eventually get some of the Eastern European Countries involved too.

And don't forget there could also be trouble starting in other hot spots around the World such as North Korea, Pakistan, Taiwan which in my opinion they all can be discussed in this thread once a real threat to the World materializes in those places.

Nevertheless lets not try to discourage other people from giving thier opinion specially if they are based on logic.

IMO

IMO , what I am seeing is far underestimations of Vladimir Putin , which is quite dangerous to do IMO , but I am no way shocked by these underestimations , I actually somewhat expected it. The NWO has had a pretty flawless run so far , now they are hemmed up with Putin , I think they are taking Putin just like everything else they have encountered , he isn’t .

 

[Kingslayer]

Is what we are seeing Military, or Mercenaries ? I tend to favor it being Mercenaries. Possibly even Belarusian. I suspect during the hottest times of Russian military bombings , that Mercenaries were entering Ukraine while all the chaos was happening , Mercenaries can easily distribute themselves through out Ukraine and blend right in to the civilian population .

They will be Russian troops, they are in Russian tanks, mercenaries won't use Russian equipment, if mercenaries are using Russian tanks they are not mercenaries anymore, they are representives of the Russian army (state backed).

 

[Sutruk]

Town by town, Ukrainian prosecutors build Russian war crimes cases​

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/05/ukraine-prosecutors-war-crimes-cases-russians/

"KOSIV, Ukraine — Sitting stage left in an empty auditorium at School No. 2 in this sleepy village about 30 miles from the Romanian border, a woman and her adult son described to a Ukrainian prosecutor how Russian tanks arrived in their village outside Kyiv on March 25, how part of their roof collapsed from Russian bombing and how they helped bury an elderly neighbor in his own front yard while munitions screamed over their heads.

The prosecutor general’s office estimates the country is using about 50,000 investigators from five different law enforcement agencies to investigate war crimes. They are conducting interviews across the country and meticulously documenting evidence that they hope to use in war crimes prosecutions against Russian President Vladimir Putin and the military force he sent to invade Ukraine.

Petrova explained that under international law, military forces are required to target only military infrastructure and armed combatants, not civilians. “As a result, what the Russian Federation, the aggressor country, is currently doing in Ukraine is considered a crime … and we are trying to prove that,” she said.

 

[.X.]

I don't think mercenaries go there with big russian tanks. They are russian soldiers. Although there are also russian mercenaries there from private companies, together with syrian and chechen ones.

Through out time , Mercenaries have done far more damage in Eastern European conflicts than actual military installations have. While the tanks and munitions roll, the mercenaries can make a killing field

 

[oldtimer]

Through out time , Mercenaries have done far more damage in Eastern European conflicts than actual military installations have. While the tanks and munitions roll, the mercenaries can make a killing field

Almost every military in the World is capable of going to the extremes if the situation calls for that kind of action.

Doing unspeakable things to the Civilians is a military tactic that has been used by many Countries around the World in the past and I believe that it will be used in the future too.

The only way to stop it is to make UN or a different International body stronger than any and all Countries in the World.

IMO

 

[.X.]

Almost every military in the World is capable of going to the extremes if the situation calls for that kind of action.

Doing unspeakable things to the Civilians is a military tactic that has been used by many Countries around the World in the past and I believe that it will be used in the future too.

The only way to stop it is to make UN or a different International body stronger than any and all Countries in the World.

IMO

The problem is , Conventional warfare is dated and not efficient any longer , Hence the USA war in Iraq and Afghanistan. Putin invaded with old junk conventional warfare weaponry by design IMO , I don’t think Putin expected the amount of his own casualties, but he knew there would be a decent amount of casualties going in with old conventional warfare weaponry. I see a lot of people highly doubting Russias technology. I think that was design by Putin as well . You can’t “Shock and Awe” if he had come out from the beginning with Russias modern technological weaponry, people tend to forget that Russia sends astronauts to the moon , Russia has satellites orbiting just like China and the USA , so common sense should tell these people, Russia has weaponry of modern technology, I expect Putin will be bringing out that technological weaponry in the next phase. Not for Ukraine so much , they don’t need to use it in Ukraine to achieve getting Ukraine IMO

If Russia can send its astronauts to the moon repetitively successfully , they can launch high tech satellites into orbit, wouldn’t you people think that Russia probably has some pretty good modern tech weaponry?? I would , it makes sense , it’s only logical they do