question Why are pronouceable 5l.com selling for so cheap?

[newviewit]

Hi,

Why are 4l.com priced higher than pronounceable 5l.com? It's not as simple as you think and there's something messed up with these prices...

For example, the current trend that everyone wants is 4l.com and there are 26 choices for the first letter, 26 for the second, 26 for the 3rd and 26 for the 4th. So altogether, there are 26*26*26*26 = 456,976 combinations. Domainers at the moment are going crazy for 4l.com compared to anything else (besides numerics) mostly because of Chinese herd mentality... couple years ago nobody cared about 4l.com chips, only happened because a few smart investors decided to buy them all up and create a higher floor price for this category.

In the western market do you really think corporate end users care if a domain is 4l or 5l? No - they just care about getting 'their' company brand and they will pay dearly for it. For example, Gavus.com is a better fit for any end user compared to gavs.com because it's pronounceable and easy to remember. But in today's market gavs.com will be 500 times more expensive for a floor price just because domainers (falsely) have it in their head that there is a much more limited supply of 4l.com so these are the most valuable...

Regarding pronounceable 5l.com domains (lvlvl.com) combinations there are only 21*5*21*5*21 (231,525 combinations). With vlvlv.com combinations there are only 5*21*5*21*5 (55,125 combinations)...

There are actually less pronounceable 5l.com compared to 4l.com. But for some reason brandable 5l.com are priced extremely low at the moment... but maybe not for long...

Why do domainers not see this? and why is there no 'expectations' of high prices for pronounceable 5l.com?

It's either going to end with some domainer buying up large amounts of pronounceable 5l.com and setting their own floor price (just like what happened with 4l.com chips)... or maybe domainers will clue in and start to price pronounceable 5l.com at the value they should be...

I'm fairly confident this will be the next gold rush... Why do so few domainers see the value in pronounceable 5l.com?

What do you guys think?

 

[Justin Matmor]

I sold upeva.com, laxil.com and eqoya.com to end users. Average sale price was about $2800 for each.

 

[Justin Matmor]

I need to clarify. Brandbucket sold these on my behalf.

 

[Justin Matmor]

I should further add, these names (as well as 90% of my BB portfolio) are all hand reggs.

 

[platey]

The letter Y is also sometimes used as a vowel in the english language as well! For example: Tryst, Thyme etc.

That's a great quiz question

Eg name a 5 c word

As there can't be that many

 

[platey]

I should further add, these names (as well as 90% of my BB portfolio) are all hand reggs.

Quids in then

 

[ultradog]

sphyg

 

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[JayT]

I need to clarify. Brandbucket sold these on my behalf.

I should further add, these names (as well as 90% of my BB portfolio) are all hand reggs.

Wow impressive. Appreciate your promotion

 

[hugegrowth]

don't forget

CCVCV

like brano.

6L pronouncable are also short and easy to remember, like mennex.

 

[guilty]

Because you can still reg 5-letter domains. They are available. on the other hand, 4-letter domains are all taken.

 

[newviewit]

Does 4l.com really matter to end users?

or is the 4l thing just for domainers?

 

[guilty]

Does 4l.com really matter to end users?

or is the 4l thing just for domainers?

It depends on what you really mean. If you mean if end users care about if the 4-letter domain is CVCV, CCCC, VCVC, VVVV, CCCC ... etc, then no, It doesn't matter to them. Usually, end users buy 4-letter domains because it is an acronym for their business name. Some end-users also buy 4-letter domains (that has no meaning ) if they brandable, and pronounceable.

 

[platey]

But some 4L. Coms are anything but pronouncable more a jumbled mess of the most awkward sequence of letters etc and usually when I see them featured etc it will state brandable 4lL. Com when there is nothing brandable about the sequence of those letters

 

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...because they have nothing else to explain what it could be used for, LMFAO

 

[catchmesleeping]

I think the premise of investing in good quality 5L is very sound.

I find that a lot of the money flowing into 4L is "dumb" money. An unsophisticated investor can just park money into 4L, because there's a real limited supply.

I buy 4L, but I'm very careful about it. If you're just buying the bottom level 4L, you're not going to get very good returns on your investment over the long term, compared to selecting good quality names that end users would have interest in.

With 4L, the rules are so simple though, that everyone can quickly determine the value of the available names. With 5L, the rules are not so simple at all. In the long run, that really works well to the advantage of a sophisticated domain name investor. A sophisticated domain name investor should can scan lists, and thoughtfully pick the good 5L with end user potential, and skip over the garbage ones that just don't make any sense.

Because it's harder, that prevents "dumb" money from investing in the 5L market, which means less competitive auctions, and lower buying prices for domain investors. It also means more profits for selling those 5L too.

 

[newviewit]

'catchmesleeping' -

Yes that's exactly what i'm trying to figure out... Your comment on the 'dumb' money is what i like to call 'herd mentality' and it's definitely true, especially with the Chinese market.... it takes a while for the heard to catch up to the actual market makers.

So if there are around 500,000 4l.com and the same number of pronounceable 5l.com... there's definitely some logic missing in some domain investors.

4l.com is not the only game in town in limited supply.

5l.com has the exact same limited supply but these domains are actually pronounceable and brandable. When will domainers finally catch on?

 

[hugegrowth]

I wouldn't say they have the exact same limited supply. Way more pronouncable 5L.com than 4L.

 

[DzAH]

So if there are around 500,000 4l.com and the same number of pronounceable 5l.com...

I have been looking into variations and combination for a quite some time, and Im sure you are way off.. its probably closer to about 2 millions pronounceable 5 letters, not 500k.

I still think questioning the presumed value of 4L vs 5L are valid though. I think most likely good 5L's are undervalued compared to bad 4L's.

 

[hugegrowth]

Pronouncable 5L can make a good brandable domain

 

[JoeE]

The herd mentality in the domainers community which took the 4L domains off the table, thus making them more liquid now than even the good brandable pronounceable 5L. But a savvy end user would/should be going for a good brandable pronounceable 5L than any random crazy 4L domains. Most of these domains are hoarded by Domainers and will only be developed if they are meaningful to a company (abbreviation). The future is in the good 5L.