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Which LLLL.com Camp do you fall into?

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Which LLLL.com Camp do you fall into?

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  • Camp 1

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  • Camp 2

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    9.5%
  • Camp 3

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    17.9%
  • Camp 4

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    28.6%
  • Camp 5

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    33.3%
  • None of them accurately describe my LLLL.com beliefs

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    4.8%
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From what I've seen, there are 5 rather common LLLL.com camps here:

1. There are those who believe all LLLL.coms are worthless.

2. Those who believe that people who bought in pre-buyout got a good deal but are uncertain about what the future holds for people paying multiples of that original regfee for LLLL.coms.

3. Those who believe that only premium LLLL.coms and perhaps triple premium LLLL.coms will ever be worth much more than prices today (renewal fees must be taken into account here).

4. Those who believe all LLLL.coms will eventually appreciate in value (taking into consideration all renewal fees paid).

5. Those who believe LLLL.coms will follow the path of LLL.coms and that soon every LLLL.com will trade for $XXX+.





Number 1 isn't really an opinion -- it's an outright lie to oneself (or clearly the sign of a very inexperienced domainer). If one thinks that all LLLL.coms -- premiums, VCVCs, and CVCVs included are worthless, I don't have much to say to you... Other than to perhaps find another hobby :lol:

I can agree with all other views here and when represented with facts or reasons, all can reveal a certain "truth".

Those in Camp 2 are aware of aftermarket LLLL.com prices. They see that prices are always in excess of registration costs and acknowledge that those who bought in pre-buyout made a good decision. They're not necessarily certain what the future holds and are divided on this issue -- some suggest selling enough to cover your initial investment, some suggest selling names each year to fund next year's renewals, and some aren't quite too sure what's best to do and are perhaps waiting until a later date before selling their names or making their opinion on this matter known.


A person in Camp number 3 recognizes the success pre-buyout domainers achieved. Nevertheless, they're not confident about the long term outlook of names containing several bad letters and are skeptical about whether values can increase at a rate faster than annual registration fees will eat up. Such a person could point out that premium LLLL.coms (esp. CVCVs) have a long history of appreciation and that this is unlikely to change... Perhaps they feel that as LLL.coms continue to appreciate, premium LLLL.coms may eventually become the choice of small and medium sized companies... If they look at LLLL.coms this way and see their value as being tied to enduser potential, it's hard to discount this opinion... There are clearly far more endusers for your average quad premium than your average anti-premium. That's a given and this LLLL.com camp, while perhaps playing it a bit conservatively, certainly have a firm grounding in reality.

A person in Camp 4 (I consider myself in this group) looks at LLLL.coms as a long term investment. They believe that various factors (increasing number of domainers, decreasing quality of new registrations, increased demand for short domain names, increased prices on LLL.coms caused by corporate investors,...) will eventually contribute to higher LLLL.com prices. They're not confident enough to say with certainty that LLLL.coms will hit a certain price at a given point in time, however they're fairly confident that given a long term (2-5 year) outlook, prices will be sufficiently higher than they are today for not only renewal fees to be compensated for, but also lost opportunity costs.

A person in Camp 5 usually believes that all LLLL.coms are currently underpriced substantially and that the market will eventually (some here would even say soon) awake a sleeping giant. They use as evidence continuously increasing demand for LLLL.coms, the fact that all drops are picked up almost instantaneously, the fact that LLLL.coms are already selling for 100-500% ROI over prices even a few months ago,... Much of their reasoning is based on events which have already occurred. The big difference here from a Camp 4 domainer, is that the Camp 4 domainer believes it may take several years (possibly 5 or even more) before the worst LLLL.coms hit $XXX (however he believes they will be a profitable investment, regardless of how long they take to get there), whereas a Camp 5 domainer believes that LLLL.coms will all hit $XXX+ within 2 years or less -- many believe it will happen in 1 year or less. While a Camp 4 domainer regards rapid appreciation as a possibility (granted the various factors they have analyzed could indeed rapidly increase in their favor), they're more than willing to wait for it to happen.

Your thoughts? Did I miss an LLLL.com Camp here?
 
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1 and 3.
Only the super premiums or real words will get paid.
 
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I voted for No.3 as well. Personally, I can't see any long term potential for crap letter LLLL.com domains like zqvx.com
 
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htmlindex said:
I voted for No.3 as well. Personally, I can't see any long term potential for crap letter LLLL.com domains like zqvx.com

Please, define "potential".

And please, appraise the following:

zqx.com
qvx.com
zqx.com

Then, find how much they were appraised in 2002.

Thanks
 
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htmlindex said:
I voted for No.3 as well. Personally, I can't see any long term potential for crap letter LLLL.com domains like zqvx.com
:lol:

oh dear ...

I love these "random crap letter examples" ... this one is actually a nicely developed site in what looks like Russian Cyrillic -> zqvx.com

But I get the point you're trying to make ... Not sure if I or the owner of zqvx.com would necessarily agree with it though.

Reminds me I'm overdue to get back to the "developed LLLL.com" scanning project ... I've got dibs on checking Z Q V X and other "anti-premiums" :)
 
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Voted #3.
Even bad LLLL.com will raise in price but not considerably. I think price for bad ones (with 2 bad letters or without premium letters or with 1 bad + 2 medium) will still increase. Those domains that are 20$ today will be around 30-35$ in dec 2008 and 40-45$ in dec 2009, perhaps 45$-70$ in dec 2010 etc...
and I predict bright future for quad and triple premiums.
 
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filter said:
:lol:

oh dear ...

I love these "random crap letter examples" ... this one is actually a nicely developed site in what looks like Russian Cyrillic -> zqvx.com
And what about this random crap letter ---> qzxj.com a well developed site in China.
 
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I was looking through the Domains Wanted section at Namepros today and came across a thread looking for an LLLL.com ending in ZQ (not exactly the 2 best letters :hehe: ).

I think those of us sitting on hundreds/thousands of LLLL.coms will get a large number of such buyers over the next few years -- I know I already have.

If you have 1000 names in example, think of how many random patterns like ZQ, QZ, WX, XW, QS, SQ, etc you likely have in your portfolio, regardless of when you bought them... You're likely sitting on an enduser goldmine!
 
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Reece said:
I was looking through the Domains Wanted section at Namepros today and came across a thread looking for an LLLL.com ending in ZQ (not exactly the 2 best letters :hehe: ).

I think those of us sitting on hundreds/thousands of LLLL.coms will get a large number of such buyers over the next few years -- I know I already have.

If you have 1000 names in example, think of how many random patterns like ZQ, QZ, WX, XW, QS, SQ, etc you likely have in your portfolio, regardless of when you bought them... You're likely sitting on an enduser goldmine!

damn it, I don`t have any ZQ or QZ :)
 
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I am imbetween too, I have always beleived the good LLLL will get a return but for the crappy LLLL it isnt even worth the risk/reward for me when I reg a name I expect a 100-10,000 times returnd 5 or 6 times investment isnt what i am after, i do hope all who invested profit just not for me.
 
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filter said:
:lol:

oh dear ...

I love these "random crap letter examples" ... this one is actually a nicely developed site in what looks like Russian Cyrillic -> zqvx.com

xman said:
And what about this random crap letter ---> qzxj.com a well developed site in China.
thats the beauty of LLLL.com
"crappy" somteimes just does not exist :hehe:
 
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bricio said:
thats the beauty of LLLL.com
"crappy" somteimes just does not exist :hehe:
My friend bricio I don't think you have crappy LLLL.com so it doesn't exist in your portfolio :hehe:

I've seen most of your LLLL.com and they are pretty solid investment.
 
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Ergo said:
No. The beauty would be qzxy.com :)
hi Ergo - you're mentioning qzxy.com as a counter-example, right ?

QZXY.com looks like a nice site. Chinese language, developed not parked (as far as I can tell). Domain was registered in May 2007.

(Funny ... when they check their traffic stats, I can imagine a few of these "bad letter example sites" might be wondering about the random minor spikes of mysterious visitors from every corner of the globe whenever their URLs are mentioned in offhand "but what about something like qzxy.com, who would ever use those letters" comments.)

Please, my doubtful friends, do us all a favor and at least stop to check your "random bad letter" examples before posting them ... I imagine that if you look just a little harder you can still find more than a few that actually are currently undeveloped, so you'll be able to then state your case a bit more effectively to the rest of us here .... (and you might have some good points to consider, despite these presumably accidental counter-examples).
 
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:hehe:

I use names from my collection when making examples... At least that way I can be sure they're not developed :tu:

filter said:
hi Ergo - you're mentioning qzxy.com as a counter-example, right ?

QZXY.com looks like a nice site. Chinese language, developed not parked (as far as I can tell). Domain was registered in May 2007.

(Funny ... when they check their traffic stats, I can imagine a few of these "bad letter example sites" might be wondering about the random minor spikes of mysterious visitors from every corner of the globe whenever their URLs are mentioned in offhand "but what about something like qzxy.com, who would ever use those letters" comments.)

Please, my doubtful friends, do us all a favor and at least stop to check your "random bad letter" examples before posting them ... I imagine that if you look just a little harder you can still find more than a few that actually are currently undeveloped, so you'll be able to then state your case a bit more effectively to the rest of us here .... (and you might have some good points to consider, despite these presumably accidental counter-examples).
 
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Its funny how many I've seen crappy LLLL.com as an example and say no one is going to pay 3x regged fee but didn't even bother to check whether or not it's a well developed site. I actually tried some experiment before the buyout about this and just plug in any random bad letters (I prefer to call it bad letters rather than crappy) and the results were amazing. More than often they are developed.
 
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At least from my scans on the super-premium letter A, there seems to be as many developed sites with X's and Q's as with A's... With how fast China is growing economically, we might have to rethink this whole "premium letter" thing rather soon :imho:

xman said:
Its funny how many I've seen crappy LLLL.com as an example and say no one is going to pay 3x regged fee but didn't even bother to check whether or not it's a well developed site. I actually tried some experiment before the buyout about this and just plug in any random bad letters (I prefer to call it bad letters rather than crappy) and the results were amazing. More than often they are developed.
 
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Reece said:
At least from my scans on the super-premium letter A, there seems to be as many developed sites with X's and Q's as with A's... With how fast China is growing economically, we might have to rethink this whole "premium letter" thing rather soon :imho:

And if the Chinese company wants to capture the global market would it make more sense to get the .COM? After all .COM is a universal extension.

Didn't the Russian bought vodka.com for $3M for this reason? I could be wrong.
 
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Exactly.

And half the world outside China will probably type the name as .com at least occasionally rather than .cn. Even if they just bought the .com to redirect in an effort to prevent themselves from giving potential competitors free traffic, it sure makes alot of sense for the pennies we're asking...

xman said:
And if the Chinese company wants to capture the global market would it make more sense to get the .COM? After all .COM is a universal extension.

Didn't the Russian bought vodka.com for $3M for this reason? I could be wrong.
 
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xman said:
And if the Chinese company wants to capture the global market would it make more sense to get the .COM? After all .COM is a universal extension.

Didn't the Russian bought vodka.com for $3M for this reason? I could be wrong.

No. Vodka is international word and though we don't know real price of vodka.ru I think vodka.com was still more expensive than vodka.ru
 
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Ergo said:
No. Vodka is international word and though we don't know real price of vodka.ru I think vodka.com was still more expensive than vodka.ru
No?

The Russian didn't purchased Vodka.com for $3M to expand in the US market? This is something new to me.

So what was the reason of the purchased then?
 
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