What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Rob Monster]

Thanks Frank. Welcome back to the never-ending thread about free speech and the search for truth.

Those folks on that talk show sound like they are running a support group for lost, Godless people who have little joy in their lives and are being watched by like-minded people who need assurance that they made the right choice even though secretly, in their hearts, they have a nagging feeling that they might be missing something really important. So they keep searching for ideas that will justify and validate their world view.

Did Matt Dillahunty come out of the closet yet?

Though you might doubt it, if I were to actually came into contact with a guy like Matt, if he would allow it, I would certainly not give up on him. See this news:

https://believersportal.com/lifelong-famous-atheist-bill-hayden-receives-jesus-at-85/

I believe that the more you study spiritual matters, the more inescapable the reality of the spiritual realm becomes as does the certainty that life is not random. And as this old guy shows, as long as you are still breathing, it is never too late to repent and get wisdom.

Speaking of wisdom, there are some solid old school teachings here from the late Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones:

https://www.mljtrust.org/free-sermons/great-biblical-doctrines/

I am rediscovering his work recently and like them even more now than the first time I heard them.

 

[kam]

ERP software CEO talk about Mandela Effect and how it affect his business with 2000+ business clients. He really brave to made that videos to explained what happened to his clients.

 

[wormfood]

ERP software CEO talk about Mandela Effect and how it affect his business with 2000+ business clients. He really brave to made that videos to explained what happened to his clients.

looks like a joke. if not, that guy is crazy.
the end of the video says "during the editing of this video, the story of..blah blah..has changed." lol
how do people take this dumb mandela effect seriously?

 

[kam]

looks like a joke. if not, that guy is crazy.
the end of the video says "during the editing of this video, the story of..blah blah..has changed." lol
how do people take this dumb mandela effect seriously?

That's why he is really brave. It's foreseeable that most of the people will say he is crazy and having mental illness, etc. Anyway, he is the first one as a tech company CEO brings up this topic on Youtube.

For me, he's telling the truth, it's so weird but real. I personally encounter Mandela effect too.

 

[Rob Monster]

looks like a joke. if not, that guy is crazy.
the end of the video says "during the editing of this video, the story of..blah blah..has changed." lol
how do people take this dumb mandela effect seriously?

I do think there is evidence that facts change, e.g. the old saying that history is written by the victors. The idea that history can be rewritten is reasonable enough, and indeed the examples given are reasonable that indeed some history might have been rewritten and new facts/evidence conjured up for whatever reason.

As for Quantum computing, the founder of D-Wave, Geordie Rose, is an interesting guy. I think the essence of his method is to somehow combine computer science and magic/occult knowledge. A talk he gave in Vancouver is somewhat insightful there.

For the record, I don't believe there are "aliens from other galaxies". I do believe that there are angels and demons and spirits that are capable of operating outside of space and time. And if one could communicate with them at scale, I suppose that might be interesting for some people.

 

[wormfood]

That's why he is really brave. It's foreseeable that most of the people will say he is crazy and having mental illness, etc. Anyway, he is the first one as a tech company CEO brings up this topic on Youtube.

For me, he's telling the truth, it's so weird but real. I personally encounter Mandela effect too.

if the mandela effect is just a bunch of people remembering something wrong, then yeah, it's real.
like the "luke, I am your father" thing?
but I thought it usually referred to people thinking reality changed or something about parallel universes. I was probably wrong about that.

 

[kam]

if the mandela effect is just a bunch of people remembering something wrong, then yeah, it's real.
like the "luke, I am your father" thing?
but I thought it usually referred to people thinking reality changed or something about parallel universes. I was probably wrong about that.

There are two definitions for Mandela effect.

For the unbeliever, Mandela effect is just a bunch of people remembering something wrong.

For the believer, they found the history has been changed and no longer match with their memory. They think cern, D-wave, AI or God have something to do with it. The most acceptable explanation is parallel universes.

I had spent countless hours to read the related materials. Double-slit experiment has caught my attention. The final outcome can be change by simple observe the predict experimental results. This is a fact and it also proved that the reality is not as solid as we believed and it can be change by simple observing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-slit_experiment

 

[frank-germany]

Though you might doubt it, if I were to actually came into contact with a guy like Matt, if he would allow it, I would certainly not give up on him.

he has a weekly tv show
the phone number is clearly shown at the youtube video

I love to hear you discuss with him
he is a very structured and intelligent man
and I'm sure you can convert his "lost soul"
( he has no soul, as far as I understand him)

the show actually is about calling and discuss to convert him

And as this old guy shows, as long as you are still breathing, it is never too late to repent and get wisdom.

same I hope for you

 

[frank-germany]

For the record, I don't believe there are "aliens from other galaxies". I do believe that there are angels and demons and spirits that are capable of operating outside of space and time. And if one could communicate with them at scale, I suppose that might be interesting for some people.

the problem here is
he is not talking about aliens

he is just referring to a fictive alien-invasion
comparing the effects of the AI development to such an invasion


you better listen more carefully
and have fewer ideas of angles

as that simply has nothing to do with your infantile devil/angle ideas

 

[frank-germany]

Speaking of wisdom, there are some solid old school teachings here from the late Dr. Martin Lloyd Jones:

https://www.mljtrust.org/free-sermons/great-biblical-doctrines/

I am rediscovering his work recently and like them even more now than the first time I heard them.

yes, I have listened to him.

to me that leads to the questions:
1) does snow white have protruding ears?
2) and more importantly is the Easter Bunny vegetarian?

 

[frank-germany]

You sound like someone who grew up in Freemasonry.

The papacy is more likely the False Prophet, governing most of the world's religions and cults of any size, either directly or indirectly. The papacy has been refining the art for nearly 2000 years.

You can be sure that Satan is not the good guy. He can give folks fame and fortune on this earth. I will grant you that. He will also promise a path to eternal life through technology, but he won't be able to deliver.

Happy to compare notes anytime as to what you are relying on to form your apparently considered opinion. I think you have it wrong but am happy to listen and be persuaded.

for satan / hell

I just learned
that the idea of hell is not supported in the scriptures
I learned the idea was introduced after Dante made a painting

and was an idea initially created by the
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism
an old iranian religion

where a figure is introduced that became the later satan guy

for you fellow domainers who fear hell
listen to these guys
maybe it cures you

yes I know he doesn't look like what we used to call a yuppy

 

[frank-germany]

On a number of occasions, I tried to meet with the ANTIFA Seattle folks that had my neighborhood leafleted and who were generally posting nonsense on local forums. They all refused to meet, even though I invited them to decide the venue and time. The various Twitter storms they sent my way are still online, e.g. here.

The truth is most of them are kids living with Mom and/or Dad. Someone actually researched the topic and indeed that is what they found:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4200272/92-Berlin-left-wing-activists-live-parents.html

So, if you ever have an encounter with ANTIFA, just keep in mind that these folks are probably young, unemployed, broke, frustrated, and hate authority. They don't say this to condemn them, but to acknowledge that odds are good that they are in in a bad place, lost, and with little hope.

My solution was to engage with kindness, and openness. They have not bothered me since, in part because they were rational enough to see that in spite of the rhetoric, I meant them no ill will, and would be more likely to administer a hand-up rather than a beat-down.

antifa to me means "anti fascist"

no idea what you are talking about
everybody should be an antifa

 

[frank-germany]

Rob gave me the Namepros discount. Rob is cool. Be like Rob.

Dynadot gives you $7.99 USD

 

[TCK]

I just learned
that the idea of hell is not supported in the scriptures

You got that right.

Hell, as in a fiery hell, is a non-biblical pagan teaching introduced by Roman Catholicism in order to control people out of fear. I wonder how much it costs today to get your dead loved ones to leave purgatory (where supposedly they're stuck in limbo, between heaven and hell).

The original Greek and Hebrew words translated as "hell" simply refer to the common grave. Where everyone that dies is buried. Other translations use "hades" and "sheol" (Greek and Hebrew transliterations). But never does it refer to a conscious existence in some underworld.

 

[Rob Monster]

Hell, as in a fiery hell, is a non-biblical pagan teaching introduced by Roman Catholicism to control people out of fear. I wonder how much it costs today to get your dead loved ones from purgatory (somewhere between heaven and hell).

The original Greek and Hebrew words translated as "hell" in some Bibles simply refer to the common grave. Where everyone that dies is buried. Other translations use "hades" and "sheol". But never does it refer to a conscious existence in some underworld.

There is a lake of fire. It is presumably intended for the fallen angels who know the truth but intentionally and knowingly defy it. "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." - Jude 1:6

As for the deceived masses, theologians disagree as to whether there is eternal torment and also whether a loving God would subject someone who was deceived to eternal torment. This is perhaps in contrast to someone who "sold their soul" and openly, willfully, and intentionally worships Satan as God of this world, e.g. through witchcraft, magic, occult practices such as Satanic Ritual Abuse which is being exposed lately.

My reading of scripture is that upon Christ's return, He will rule and reign from the Throne of David for 1000 years during the Millennial Kingdom in Jerusalem. As to the duration of the tribulation which precedes that, and whether it has already started, theologians will disagree on that one. The signs that the tribulation is imminent, or even in progress, are certainly present.

The Bible does say clearly that "every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Romans 14:11). My interpretation is that the unsaved will be resurrected at the end of the Millennial kingdom and will consciously stand at the Great White Throne judgement. At that time, it seems logical that anyone who is placed in that situation will recognize their error as they will be standing before God himself.

 

[TCK]

There is a lake of fire.

You are referring to Gehenna. The second death from which resurrection is impossible.

This was an illustrative analogy referencing the constantly burning fire, lake of fire, that surrounded the wall of Jerusalem in the first century where all kinds of garbage was thrown into. Fire is used to illustrate permanent destruction where there is no hope of life (resurrection). Even today, fire is used to kill diseased animals, and other things that need to be permanently destroyed without any possibility of spreading a virus.

The idea of being conscious and feeling the fire for eternity is completely ridiculous and non-biblical.

 

[Rob Monster]

You are referring to Gehenna. The second death from which resurrection is impossible.

This was an illustrative analogy referencing the constantly burning fire, lake of fire, that surrounded the wall of Jerusalem in the first century where all kinds of garbage was thrown into. Fire is used to illustrate permanent destruction where there is no hope of life (resurrection). Even today, fire is used to kill diseased animals, and other things that need to be permanently destroyed without any possibility of spreading a virus.

The idea of being conscious and feeling the fire for eternity is completely ridiculous and non-biblical.

We are not disagreeing.

As for my specific reference to the fallen angels, I don't rule out that they will be subject to eternal torment. As for the fate of unredeemed fallen man, I am less emphatic than you and think better safe than sorry.

 

[TCK]

We are not disagreeing.

As for my specific reference to the fallen angels, I don't rule out that they will be subject to eternal torment. As for the fate of unredeemed fallen man, I am less emphatic than you and think better safe than sorry.

Love and justice are God's strongest attributes. Eternal torment goes squarely against both qualities. No rule of justice will stipulate eternal suffering as a justified penalty for sin over a finite period of time. It is simply wrong. The punishment would be much harsher than the crime.

Both angels and humans are called sons of God. Made in his image. And loved by him as their father. Would you punish your child for eternity if they became rebellious, even for all of his or her life?

Would you put your son's or daughter's hand on a burning stove or fire to teach them a lesson?

In the Bible, death is the opposite of life. Death is the punishment for sin. And the dead are unconscious.

It makes no sense that God would punish sinners with life somewhere else. Much less with eternal torment.

 

[Rob Monster]

Love and justice are God's strongest attributes. Eternal torment goes squarely against both qualities. No rule of justice will stipulate eternal suffering as a justified penalty for sin over a finite period of time. It is simply wrong.

Both angels and humans are called sons of God. Made in his image. And loved by him as their father. Would you punish your child for eternity if they became rebellious, even for all of his or her life?

Would you put your son's or daughter's hand on a burning stove or fire to teach them a lesson?

In the Bible, death is the opposite of life. Death is the punishment for sin. And the dead are unconscious.

It makes no sense that God would punish sinners with life somewhere else. Much less with eternal torment.

Theologians have debated the topic of the fate of unregenerate man for thousands of years. What verses are you relying on for your conclusion that after the final Great White Throne judgement the unredeemed simply perish without consciousness?

As I see it, Matthew 25:46 is pretty unambiguous:

And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The context of the chapter is God's rebuke of unregenerate man, as he separates the sheep and the goats.

The Greek text for "everlasting" is pretty clear:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/25/46/t_conc_954046

Strongs 166: aiōnios - without end , everlasting.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G166&t=KJV

As for "punishment", it is also reasonably unambiguous:

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G2851&t=KJV

Strongs 2851 - kólasis - correction, punishment, penalty:

Your conclusion that a "loving God" would not do that is an opinion shared by many. However, if you are going to teach that (liberal) reading of scripture, you will likely be held accountable for the fate of those who relied on your interpretation. As for the atheistic hope of "lights out, show's over" for the unregenerate man, that is clearly a best case scenario. However, I am not sure where the unambiguous scriptural support for that conclusion can be found.

The news of Jeff Epstein and his pedo antics is now prevalent. Truthseekers have known about this for many years including the vast supply chain that exists around all manner of abuse of children, including for ritual sacrifice. This should certainly reinforce the conclusion that at the highest levels there are some folks who engage in some mighty sordid acts. If you trace their motives, it becomes increasingly clear that there is a Satanic hierarchy replete with carnal benefits but, very likely, at an eternal cost.

 

[frank-germany]

Your conclusion that a "loving God" would not do that is an opinion shared by many. However, if you are going to teach that (liberal) reading of scripture, you will likely be held accountable for the fate of those who relied on your interpretation.

a threat is a threat
and a good one


if there is a human-like god as you seem to choose to believe
he may be angry once in a while and punish

that's why can't believe that it is so

makes no sense
first, he creates men after his image
then he tells him to believe in him
and if he can't he punishes men

come on thats ridiculous

he could have created mankind who believes in him
in the first place
if that would be an important feature of mankind