What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Internet.Domains]

What do you call it when someone says something didn't happen or was staged?

Did Rob say that? Did he say "staged"?

One last time, he seemed to question some oddities. Oddities that have many possible explanations besides calling it "staged" or a "hoax.".....Yes, I know @Slanted had implied Rob did that. Although, I have seen no evidence as such.

Yes, my defense of Rob looks unjustified when @Slanted calls it a "hoax."

So can we get one simple answer. Just one.

Did Rob call it a "hoax?"

It's a "yes"or "no" question. No need to turn this into a word salad.

 

[DN Playbook]

Did Rob say that? Did he say "staged"?

One last time, he seemed to question some oddities. Oddities that have many possible explanations besides calling it "staged" or a "hoax.".....Yes, I know @Slanted had implied Rob did that. Although, I have seen no evidence as such.

Yes, my defense of Rob looks unjustified when @Slanted calls it a "hoax."

So can we get one simple answer. Just one.

Did Rob call it a "hoax?"

It's a "yes"or "no" question. No need to turn this into a word salad.

Use your common sense and a thesaurus.

 

[carob]

Did Rob say that? Did he say "staged"?

One last time, he seemed to question some oddities. Oddities that have many possible explanations besides calling it "staged" or a "hoax.".....Yes, I know @Slanted had implied Rob did that. Although, I have seen no evidence as such.

Yes, my defense of Rob looks unjustified when @Slanted calls it a "hoax."

So can we get one simple answer. Just one.

Did Rob call it a "hoax?"

It's a "yes"or "no" question. No need to turn this into a word salad.

I do not have access to all he posted but if you look at the archive links I have just reposted, there he says the video "looks like a low budget CGI" and points out details that to him support that. He then adds the hashtag #BS. So whether he used the term hoax somewhere else I do not know, but I think what you read there is him saying he thinks the video is Bullshit, that we should not see it as real. If it was not real and was not created by a random algorithm then what is it - a parody, a work of fiction, a hoax?

 

[DN Playbook]

I do not have access to all he posted but if you look at the archive links I have just reposted, there he says the video "looks like a low budget CGI" and points out details that to him support that. He then adds the hashtag #BS. So whether he used the term hoax somewhere else I do not know, but I think what you read there is him saying he thinks the video is Bullsh*t, that we should not see it as real. If it was not real and was not created by a random algorithm then what is it - a parody, a work of fiction, a hoax?

I am starting to think that @Internet.Domains is an account associated with @Epik.com and @Rob Monster

With so much documentation available, the questions "he" makes are bizarre.

 

[Internet.Domains]

I do not have access to all he posted but if you look at the archive links I have just reposted, there he says the video "looks like a low budget CGI" and points out details that to him support that. He then adds the hashtag #BS. So whether he used the term hoax somewhere else I do not know, but I think what you read there is him saying he thinks the video is Bullsh*t, that we should not see it as real. If it was not real and was not created by a random algorithm then what is it - a parody, a work of fiction, a hoax?

I will no longer answer those type questions. You can question a video and some news reports while still believing the crime happened. It's pretty simple, let's not complicate that.

I'll just wait until someone can show where Rob called it a "hoax?"

 

[DN Playbook]

I will no longer answer those type questions. You can question a video and some news reports while still believing the crime happened. It's pretty simple, let's not complicate that.

I'll just wait until someone can show where Rob called it a "hoax?"

My point exactly. Bizarre.

 

[Internet.Domains]

I am starting to think that @Internet.Domains is an account associated with @Epik.com and @Rob Monster

With so much documentation available, the questions "he" makes are bizarre.

Lol.....So are you questioning things?.....oh the irony.....

 

[DN Playbook]

Lol.....So are you questioning things?.....oh the irony.....

Just stating the obvious.

 

[carob]

I'll just wait until someone can show where Rob called it a "hoax?"

I took the trouble of replying to what you said because I too have not seen the word hoax and I wanted to understand how we got where we are. You are entirely right to ask if he actually used the word hoax and we don't want to be putting words into people's mouths.

It's understandable that some people reading what he wrote would paraphrase it as him calling the video a hoax, but then the paraphrase gets treated as a quote and we have people saying Monster used the word hoax when, probably, he did not.

Let's not get hung up on one word, I think we can see he called the video into question.

 

[Internet.Domains]

I took the trouble of replying to what you said because I too have not seen the word hoax and I wanted to understand how we got where we are. You are entirely right to ask if he actually used the word hoax and we don't want to be putting words into people's mouths.

It's understandable that some people reading what he wrote would paraphrase it as him calling the video a hoax, but then the paraphrase gets treated as a quote and we have people saying Monster used the word hoax when, probably, he did not.

Let's not get hung up on one word, I think we can see he called the video into question.

Correct. There are reports of fake videos out there. That could explain some oddities.

Regardless, I have defended Robs right to question oddities on pages of this thread.
All of sudden @Slanted pops up and calls it a hoax and says Robs actions are insulting and makes apologies for him.

No doubt confusion abounds in this thread.

 

[DN Playbook]

I took the trouble of replying to what you said because I too have not seen the word hoax and I wanted to understand how we got where we are. You are entirely right to ask if he actually used the word hoax and we don't want to be putting words into people's mouths.

It's understandable that some people reading what he wrote would paraphrase it as him calling the video a hoax, but then the paraphrase gets treated as a quote and we have people saying Monster used the word hoax when, probably, he did not.

Let's not get hung up on one word, I think we can see he called the video into question.

Just to be clear, no one says he, @Rob Monster, called it a "hoax". As if he is being quoted verbatim. But it is obvious what he did. Calling into question the NZ killer's video's veracity.

Wait, he didn't say that either: "I am calling into question the video's veracity".

So what did he do? I guess nothing. Let's move on. Nothing to see here.

This is classic gaslighting.

 

[NameLlama]

Guys, I am troubled that you know how to use english words like this 'hoax'

A hoax is a falsehood deliberately fabricated to masquerade as the truth. It is distinguishable from errors in observation or judgment, rumors, urban legends, pseudosciences,..

Ok
Let's see
He says something about low budget CGI
Shell casings disappear
"Nobody rushes" the shooter
People want the video to "disappear"

Let's THINK FOR A SECOND
Is he talking about a "FALSEHOOD DELIBERATELY FABRICATED"???
Could he mean this is a HOAX
COULD IT BE

 

[Slanted]

With all respect due he is one who needs saving right now.

I agree. Rob needs to change what he's doing – and not just for the sake of preventing further damage to Epik or his own reputation. Whatever his motives, he is promoting conspiracy theories that serve the ends of xenophobes and racists. That harms society. Period.

Also, Rob is permitting antisemitic comments that are made to him or near him without repudiating them publicly. That emboldens bigots and abets the spread of their poisonous views. I don't believe Rob shares those views. So he ought to criticize them harshly and unambiguously. I implore him to do so. If he doesn't, people will assume that he shares those views.

And it's worth reminding the fact that those 'sinners' are not just some strangers on a forum, they are customers of Epik who add up to your bottom line. Perhaps the business is good and that is the reason why Epik continues to cultivate and tap the market.

Untrue. Gab.com is 1 domain registered at Epik. It's not even hosted at Epik. As a registrar, Epik makes a few pennies per year on a domain renewal – if that. Gab is a forum full of its own members. Only a tiny fraction of them would have any business at Epik now or ever.

To the extent that Epik is perceived as having a close affiliation with Gab, and as a result of Rob's political posture in public, Epik suffers a net loss of customers and domains. That's especially true when there is a PR scandal like this. To say that it's motivated by money is absurd. It's motivated by Rob's personal views. Anybody who was thinking rationally about money or business would never take the principled stand Rob has taken. We can disagree with his stand or his principles. But what everybody can agree is that this alienates a large sector of Epik's audience. As such, it has been terrible for business. Obviously.

 

[DN Playbook]

To the extent that Epik is perceived as having a close affiliation with Gab, and as a result of Rob's political posture in public, Epik suffers a net loss of customers and domains. That's especially true when there is a PR scandal like this. To say that it's motivated by money is absurd. It's motivated by Rob's personal views. Anybody who was thinking rationally about money or business would never take the principled stand Rob has taken. We can disagree with his stand or his principles. But what everybody can agree is that this alienates a large sector of Epik's audience. As such, it has been terrible for business. Obviously.

@Slanted

What is your strategy to mitigate this PR scandal?

 

[topdom]

If MSM attacks you, probably you are a good guy, or enemy of evil guys, or you were their puppet and they don't need you anymore. MSM attacks "fake news". Some of those can really be fake news. Some fake news can be added to the list to create confusion. But main purpose of calling them fake, is to hide some facts, like ones about 9/11, or moon landing, Titanic, Kennedy, historic gold, nazis, jews, vatican,..It is difficult to find a 100 percent true alternative media either, but some of the most important facts can only be found there. Why say this: Huffpost must have an agenda here. MSM is a true supporter of Nazis. Grandfather of GWB supported Nazis, his grandson doesn't like the new POTUS although they are both "republican", and MSM calls the current POTUS a Nazi and attacks him with nonsense claims. MSM is a big liar and distractor in important topics.

 

[NameLlama]

If MSM attacks you, probably you are a good guy, or enemy of evil guys, or you were their puppet and they don't need you anymore.

Huffpost must have an agenda here

Very convincing arguments

 

[Rob Monster]

I have been silent on this thread. Just to comment here:

- At no point did l call it a hoax. Those who say I did are relying on hearsay. I have no doubt that people died and for those families who are impacted, I extend heartfelt condolences.

- In my Tweet, which was strategically baited by the SPLC, I acknowledged that the video had inconsistencies. The video raises questions that deserve answers.

- I deleted my personal Twitter account. I did this not because I have something to hide, but because I have better things to do than to be an apologist for free speech, or to be a punching bag for the SPLC brigade.

- I appreciate that the topic being discussed is sensitive and that many have deeply-rooted views about civil liberties. I have read all of your comments. I am disappointed by some of what I read but hold no grudges.

- On a personal note, I am of sound mind and focused on clients. I look forward to providing world class solutions for registrar, domains monetization, hosting, DDoS mitigation, Content Delivery and SSL.

For anyone seeking to understand the sequence of events in NZ that raised questions, here is a recent non-gory video with zero tracking that provides context on why people are looking into this issue:

https://video.watchmask.com/vid/watchmask/Greg Reese_6p-_hk_fOEQ/video.html

For those who wish to continue to condemn me for defying censorship, allowing free speech, and enabling citizen journalism, you are absolutely free to do so. However before you do that, consider three things:

(1) As recently as last month, the mainstream media got the news of Covington Catholic completely wrong. It was the existence of incontrovertible independent video evidence that unwound the official narrative.

(2) The alleged perpetrator in ChristChurch is still awaiting arraignment let alone a trial -- his arraignment was actually postponed at least once.

(3) Whether you acknowledge it or not, there really is an all-knowing, all-seeing and all-powerful creator God. The Bible remind us of this important context:

But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. - Matthew 12:36

All the best. I leave you all my contact info below. If you want to be heard or feel the need to vent, you are free to get in touch.

Regards,
Robert W. Monster
Founder and CEO
Epik Holdings Inc.

Email: [email protected]
Tel: +1.425-765-0077
Skype: robertmonster
WhatsApp:+1.425-765-0077
Signal: +1.425-765-0077
Telegram: robmonster

 

[dirk]

Did Rob say that? Did he say "staged"?

One last time, he seemed to question some oddities. Oddities that have many possible explanations besides calling it "staged" or a "hoax.".....Yes, I know @Slanted had implied Rob did that. Although, I have seen no evidence as such.

Yes, my defense of Rob looks unjustified when @Slanted calls it a "hoax."

So can we get one simple answer. Just one.

Did Rob call it a "hoax?"

It's a "yes"or "no" question. No need to turn this into a word salad.

Let me answer that for you: No.

This needs some clarification though. The wording Rob used implied it was a hoax but nowhere did he use that exact wording. People may as well have said he called it fake news, a prank or anything similar. Does that make it less offensive? No.

What saddens me is that people pretend to quote what he said but choose wording with a bigger impact than what was actually said. They could've made the scale tip the other way and said he was questioning the validity of the video. Would that make it less offensive? Ofcourse not!. But when you pretend to quote someone, make sure you're actually quoting him. Wording matters.

The same goes for that HuffintonPost article. I don't know the newspaper(?) and doubt it's somewhere near a tabloid magazine. That article however shows so much bias that it made me cringe.

I condemn what happened but at the same time cannot close my eyes for all the good that Rob has done for other people and the perseverance of an open and secure web (and no, not limited to right-wing supporters) and continues to do so.

 

[topdom]

White Helmets group created a chemical terror scene in Syria and blamed Assad. MSM and all the Western leaders blamed Assad as well. Trump was "not" different: he called Assad an animal (actually we are all animals). He ordered an attack as punishment. 100+ cruise missiles were fired. Noone died. There was no damage. Only 2/3 of missiles were shot down by antique russian defense systems owned by Syria. And Trump didn't say "if we were not going to do any damage why did we waste so many missiles". Actually if Russia didn't want such an attack, US wouldn't be able to fire these missiles. US ships could be made blind. Putin and Trump made fun of the deepstate. So although it looks like Trump does what the deepstate wants, the deep state and its msm still wants to get rid of Trump badly.

 

[Internet.Domains]

Time to turn the page and demand answers from the XYZ registry for using hate to fuel a charity campaign.