What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Domains - Wanted]

@Slanted

Great job, Joe! I'm full of admiration on how you spinned all this. Thanks for the good read, equally interesting personal touch and insight into both Epik's CEO and Exec

Ideologically, I'm with you and Rob. All the way! About the need to separate freedom of speech from the content of said speech, that is. Problem is that most people simply can't wrap their head around that concept. This affliction doesn't discriminate and is true across the political, ideological, racial and religious spectrum. Those same people usually are also unable to fanthom that you can be 100% against abortion and vehemantly opposed to penalizing it at the same time. You're the enemy of both camps!

Those people only hear the part that's unacceptable, offensive to them. The other part (in this case the reason why Rob did this) will not register, no matter how logically and eloquently you put it.

EDIT: Hey, good case in point... check out the post immediately preceeding mine... @maksimfa gets it... but @eurorealtor can't seem to wrap his head around it!

I haven't watched it, what Rob published. I'm simply not interested in the least. What is of great interest and importance to me is that I can watch it, should the urge strike me. What most people fail to grasp is that freedom of speech is not about what Rob Monster and others can, should or should not be allowed to say, publish, but rather it is all about what I am free to read, watch and listen to! If I have the urge to do so!

Too offensive, drastic, insensitive, wrong, unacceptable? Go ahead, excersise your passive freedom of speech: don't watch! Try it, it doesn't hurt at all.

P.S. Thanks to all who'd contributed to this thread, first and foremost... Rob Monster
Lots of food for thought here... amongst other things, for developing one of my recent, more unusual acquisitions... freespeech.best

Thanks,
Andrew

 

[offthehandle]

Too offensive, drastic, insensitive? Go ahead, excersise your passive freedom of speech: don't watch! Try it, it doesn't hurt at all.

“ARTICLE II: You do not have the right to never be offended. This country was based upon freedom, and that means freedom for everyone-not just you! You may leave the room, turn the channel, express a different opinion, etc., but the world is full of idiots, and probably always will be.”

http://www.fightthebias.com/Resources/Humor/bill_of_no_rights.htm

 

[carob]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

There does not seem to be any official reply or comment from Epik or Rob Monster yet.

Rob Monster is reading the thread - he liked a post in it. I see a post of his on this topic quoted in another thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-22#post-7159479

We do have comments here from an Epik employee who stresses that they are acting in a personal capacity, while sharing info on Epik's internal company decisions.

The line between personal and company activity can be unclear - do Epik have policies on that, to clarify things for customers, staff, and investors?

 

[Furquan]

@MS-Domains,

Thank you for being willing to forgive a mistake. It wasn't my mistake, but I'm still going to apologize for it because I'm associated with it. And it pains me to see any discrimination – and above all violence – directed toward muslims, jews, or anybody else.

Epik does have several muslim employees, including 1 from Amman. I remember the city with fondness. أحسن ناس

Personally I find much in Islam to admire. Whenever some ignorant person spreads misinformation about muslims and a supposed "clash of civilizations", I never fail to point out the truth. Christian Europe invaded the muslim world on its "crusades". Meanwhile, christians and jews were protected in the muslim cities as fellow "people of the book": أَهْل اَلْكِتَاب. Indeed, the Qur'an requires tolerance:

لاَ إِكْرَاهَ فِى الدِّينِ

Meaning: "There is no compulsion in religion". Matters of belief should not be forced.

I appreciate all of this But I knew there is some reason you come with all of this line.

Instead of doing this do your best to tell your CEO not to do this thing again.

 

[carob]

I see a post of his on this topic quoted in another thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-22#post-7159479

Rob's original post yesterday about the Twitter story is here: https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-20#post-7157501

 

[Furquan]

There does not seem to be any official reply or comment from Epik or Rob Monster yet.

Rob Monster is reading the thread - he liked a post in it. I see a post of his on this topic quoted in another thread https://www.namepros.com/threads/so...er-or-suspension.1107245/page-22#post-7159479

We do have comments here from an Epik employee who stresses that they are acting in a personal capacity, while sharing info on Epik's internal company decisions.

The line between personal and company activity can be unclear - do Epik have policies on that, to clarify things for customers, staff, and investors?

In other theread he replied yesterday but all he is carrying for some "Free Speech" & other videos which his own type of people uploaded.

 

[Tunababa8v]

Joseph, I appreciate you trying to clear this up but I am unmoved.

I mean Bob Parsons (GoDaddy CEO) got endless sh*t for killing an elephant. I don't have much sympathy for someone who decides to share a video of people getting massacred then implying it was a hoax.

I am sorry but the CEO of a company should really know better. It obviously reflects poorly on the brand.

If the CEO of a major company had done this on their personal account they would no doubt be immediately terminated by the board. "Free Speech" does not mean freedom from consequences when it comes to companies, groups, organizations, etc.

If you want to say and do offensive things under the guise of "free speech" then don't be surprised when people are offended by it, and don't be surprised when you lose business because of it.

Brad

Well said.

 

[golan]

I continue to transfer my domains to Epik and will do so.

 

[Furquan]

I continue to transfer my domains to Epik and will do so.

Gud, ....

None of us going to stop you

 

[domainscot]

Some very interesting posts here with regards Rob Monster.
Before you call Rob a white-christian extremist and being against muslims. I suggest you check the staff that work for him and you will find that Rob employs, Christians & Muslims, He also employs people from different country's who are from all over the world. So Before all you sweety wifes make a judgement on a person check the facts before you call someone a name.

Epic has staff that are Muslim.
Epic has staff that are Jewish.
Epic has staff that are Christian.
Epic has staff that are coloured,
Epic has staff that are brown,
Epic has staff that white or Pale.

Please note I dont use Epic services. Check the facts before you jump on bandwagon.
The New Zealand shooting was total scandal my thoughts go out to all family's who relations got killed in a place of worship. People saying goodbye to wife, brother, sister, father as they head out to morning mass never to return.

Since im a athiest I dont care about how you look, what religion you are, what colour you are, what counts what type of person you are.

 

[Nametree]

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@brad Mugford,

"Rob Monster posted a link to the shooter’s video and also implied it was a hoax."

Correct.

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Is there a defense for it? Listen, I'm not going to waste my breath defending conspiracy theories I don't believe. But it's fair to point out that Rob also believes the 9/11 massacre was a hoax or inside job. Ditto the moon landing. About school shootings I haven't asked. Maybe those too.

Because white supremacist violence is on the rise, that has led Rob to call racist massacres hoaxes. But he is at least consistent. Nobody would call him a white supremacist for saying that 9/11 wasn't really perpetrated by islamic terrorists or for saying that a school shooting involved actors or for saying that Neil Armstrong didn't really set foot on lunar soil.

There is no defense that I would offer for Rob's opinion. Much less will I defend a CEO's insensitive blunder in sharing that opinion while mentioning his own company's brand.

But since Rob is being called a neo-Nazi, and I know that to be untrue, I will defend him.

Where to begin.

What boggles the mind is that someone would be so fierce to defend the right to share a proof of mass murder and at the same time DARE to imply it is a hoax. If and when Rob decides to come back and defend himself directly as opposed to using spokespeople, this is where he needs to begin.

This isn't an isolated incident, he knows what he's doing enough to know that calling mass murder a hoax will not be taken lightly. It's not an accident, it's a tactic. To what end?

I've been following this closely, as I made a decision to transfer hundreds of names to Epik in the fall and I have questioned my decision ever since Gab. I'm on the fence of turning back around. What a CEO says and does matters whether his actions are on behalf of a company or not - because ultimately I don't want my money to line up the pockets of someone who will funnel it to harm others.

What I take issue with is when someone parades free speech as a veil to protect individuals and groups that have dangerous motives.

Defending hate groups and trying to normalize hate speech by calling it "free" may not in an of itself make you a neo-Nazi.

But when the only free speech you fervently defend is slanted in a particular direction that contributes to real harm to real human beings, saying "hey I have a Muslim friend/employee so I am obviously not racist" is phony at best.

This is not ignorance, it's mal-intent, and you need to do some serious soul-searching if you don't see the harm.

 

[jberryhill]

is it appropriate to leaflet the man's neighborhood and harass his wife, calling him a Nazi?

It's free speech.

What could be more American than leafleting a neighborhood?

Rob has a problem with people leafleting Rob's neighborhood, or saying what they like about his wife, his kids or him, but he's fine mocking the violent deaths of other people's loved ones by calling it a hoax.

What a hypocritical snowflake.

Did someone's speech hurt his fee-fee's?

 

[jberryhill]

When it is someone else's family being attacked, Rob is all for it:

Rob has a problem with people exercising their free speech about HIS family?

That's rich.

 

[jberryhill]

Epic has staff that are Muslim.
Epic has staff that are Jewish.
Epic has staff that are Christian.
Epic has staff that are coloured,
Epic has staff that are brown,
Epic has staff that white or Pale.

It's illegal in the United States to discriminate in employment on the basis of those things. Rob doesn't have the freedom to NOT hire persons on the basis of religion, ethnicity, handicap, etc..

I'm sure that Epik doesn't regularly commit murders either, but the fact that the company obeys the law has nothing to do with whether people are entitled to make their own decisions about what businesses to patronize.

Whom Rob employs, or chooses to trot out as props and human shields like Joseph here, is beside the point. He doesn't deserve some sort of humanitarian award for simply doing what the law requires. I'll bet he stops at stop signs and red lights too. Wow, what a guy!

 

[Haris]

Where to begin.

What boggles the mind is that someone would be so fierce to defend the right to share a proof of mass murder and at the same time DARE to imply it is a hoax. If and when Rob decides to come back and defend himself directly as opposed to using spokespeople, this is where he needs to begin.

This isn't an isolated incident, he knows what he's doing enough to know that calling mass murder a hoax will not be taken lightly. It's not an accident, it's a tactic. To what end?

I've been following this closely, as I made a decision to transfer hundreds of names to Epik in the fall and I have questioned my decision ever since Gab. I'm on the fence of turning back around. What a CEO says and does matters whether his actions are on behalf of a company or not - because ultimately I don't want my money to line up the pockets of someone who will funnel it to harm others.

What I take issue with is when someone parades free speech as a veil to protect individuals and groups that have dangerous motives.

Defending hate groups and trying to normalize hate speech by calling it "free" may not in an of itself make you a neo-Nazi.

But when the only free speech you fervently defend is slanted in a particular direction that contributes to real harm to real human beings, saying "hey I have a Muslim friend/employee so I am obviously not racist" is phony at best.

This is not ignorance, it's mal-intent, and you need to do some serious soul-searching if you don't see the harm.

Those defending him should take a look at his Gab.com profile. Unless he has already deleted his posts like his Twitter account. Having Muslim friends or Muslim employees doesn't change anything

 

[NameLlama]

Remember when Oskar Schindler doubted whther Jews were being killed and then used I employ Jews as an excuse
Wait

 

[DaveX]

@Rob Monster and the Epik crew can make whatever decisions they want about their business. Just understand this.

Neither Rob or Slanted should in any way try to explain or sway other business people (domain investors) to accept Epik's position on the Gab deal or the video upload.

Just don't say anything. Let the chips fall where they may.

Let people decide to continue to do business with Epik or cease business with Epik. I believe Epik has made terrible mistakes here as a company. Epik hadn't even developed it's image large scale and now is viewed as a hate haven.

I'm a business man. I earned my place in the INC500 by running my company clean for 16 years. Yes, I donated space to democrats and would have for republicans, but they didn't ask.

I can honestly say that I wouldn't take paroled criminals into my home even though they served their time. Sorry.

It's not okay to commit crimes as long as before you commit them, you accept that you might get 5 or 10 years in prison and after serving your time, it should never come up again.

IMO, Epik (Rob) needs to understand that where Epik donates money, what the company supports, what the company allows, will be scrutinized by clients, investors, and all those that consider aligning with Epik.

Perhaps in the future, if given the opportunity, Epik will make some large donations or make some efforts publicly that demonstrate an understanding that we cannot support everything so choices have to be made. Put energy and resources behind issues that are clear and have universal support.

Imagine if Epik were getting press for contributing to ending poverty, ending hunger, ending child abuse, educating children. That's the kind of press Epik needs.

 

[DaveX]

They don't need press like this from this morning...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/...believed-the-christchurch-video-was-not-real/

 

[oldtimer]

Lets not forget that as one person is being scrutinized here for perhaps showing racist or hateful behavior as an individual the people who are doing the scrutinizing might themselves be engaging in similar behaviors collectively as members of certain political parties, religions, or interest groups. If we fault one person for showing hate, then we should also fault a whole religion, political party, culture, society, or group that engages in promoting hate too especially when it leads to much abuse, torture, and killings. IMO

 

[domainscot]

It's illegal in the United States to discriminate in employment on the basis of those things. Rob doesn't have the freedom to NOT hire persons on the basis of religion, ethnicity, handicap, etc..

I'm sure that Epik doesn't regularly commit murders either, but the fact that the company obeys the law has nothing to do with whether people are entitled to make their own decisions about what businesses to patronize.

Whom Rob employs, or chooses to trot out as props and human shields like Joseph here, is beside the point. He doesn't deserve some sort of humanitarian award for simply doing what the law requires. I'll bet he stops at stop signs and red lights too. Wow, what a guy!

Some people saying he is anti muslim I was stating fact that he employs people who are Muslim. Some these people are not based in USA. Have no idea is he stops at stop signs and red lights, I prefer going when its at amber. Going when its at green, stopping as turns to red.just like the forum of sweetie wifes.