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I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

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Because with conspiracy theorists if you disprove one thing, they may just complicate their theory more to fit in that issue you raised

Two thoughts here:

I believe everyone should have the opportunity for anyone to search for truth through whatever means suits them, e.g. meetups, online forums, old books, microfiche, etc. There is an incredible abundance of content and knowledge in existence. If folks have access to it, and are not subject to censorship, including self-censorship, the truth will be quickly discerned.

I personally value truth. I have no pride of authorship and could care less about being proven right. I know people who are stubborn in that way. I am not that guy. In fact, the trademark characteristic of entrepreneurs is "Adaptability". I have that in spades. If there is new data or compelling logic from a trusted source, I will change my position. I happen to have done that many times on the way to becoming the committed Bible-believing Christian I am today, despite having grown up in an atheistic household.
 
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You see what the issue is. Supposedly we are talking about free speech, but Rob seems to only post propaganda from one (very extreme) side.

The issue has never been lost on me. Forgive me for groaning when someone else points to the sun and says, "See, Joseph, that's the sun." Yes, thanks, I'm aware.

I want registrars to be neutral, whereas Epik is now perceived as ideological. That perception is based partly on (A) a few controversial domains that Epik has attracted; and (B) because of Rob's personal views and statements.

Controversial domains came to Epik as a result of de-platforming elsewhere. Had Epik received them passively, rather than actively inviting them, then the public perception would be slightly different โ€“ but only slightly. There would still be people calling Rob a Nazi for allowing Gab.com to exist. And people would still write to friendly Epik support staff to condemn my coworkers for "supporting violence", demanding that Epik delete domains to please them or else we're greedy mercenaries who only care about making money โ€“ from a profit margin of pennies on an $8.49 .COM, it should be noted.

De-platforming is a real problem. Such a problem, in fact, that someone in this industry needed to stand up to it on ethical grounds. In a perfect world, maybe that person would have been completely neutral politically. But in the real world, the people who are most concerned about censorship and de-platforming tend to be the people most at risk of it. And these days that seems to apply mainly to the political far right. So it should come as no surprise that the person who stepped forward to push back against censorship in the Gab.com case was somewhere on the political right, as Rob is.

The proximity of Rob's views to Gab's views has made it difficult for people to separate the abstract issue from the concrete politics. If someone on the left had "revived" Gab.com by accepting the domain transfer, then the distinction might be more clear. Unfortunately, if there are any liberal registrar CEOs, they were either oblivious to the case or unconcerned about the principle of registrar neutrality or else lacked the guts to take the heat. Perhaps some overseas registrar would have taken Gab.com in exchange for a steep fee. But the person who, in fact, stood up to de-platforming in this case was Rob. Arguably Rob is a flawed hero, or (to phrase it differently) an imperfect advocate, given his own controversial views. But the fact is, Rob acted on conviction, on principle.

That would have been all well and good. But the way Rob invited sites to Epik is confusing. Either it is misconstrued or else there are overlapping motives. The controversial sites that transferred their domains to Epik following Gab.com were obviously going to be sites at risk of de-platforming. Given the cultural situation in which the USA finds itself these days, the sites at risk are (unsurprisingly) right-wing. Did Rob invite them because he is sympathetic to their content or because they were at risk of de-platforming? Certainly the latter, but maybe both to some degree. To Rob, as a christian who believes anybody can be redeemed, even right-wing content that is more hateful than his own opinions looks like something to be engaged and softened. Even if Rob were not a christian, there is often some sympathy between people on the right and people on the alt right because they understand one another better than most people on the left will.

Add to this (1) Rob's personal involvement inside Gab, which mixed his personal views with Epik services related to censorship or privacy; and (2) Rob's promotion of Gab as part of a free-speech cause (which is no longer the action of a neutral registrar); and (3) the controversial political views in Rob's personal statements on Twitter or in Gab or elsewhere โ€“ no kidding, it has become a very confusing tangle.

The original principled decision was to accept a domain transfer in the normal way despite pressure from some segment of the public to banish the domain through tactics that subvert due process. And beyond that: A policy not ban domains based on personal beliefs, so long as the content is a legal part of civic debate in a society that has prided itself on free speech.

Free speech is no longer understood or prized. It's a delicate concept, easily contaminated by association with some controversial statement that free speech allows. Given the public's lack of sympathy to free speech as a value, maybe the only way to persuade people that it matters is in the sterile laboratory environment of a philosophy classroom. But it matters in the real world. And principles do touch real people with real opinions. Those who are most concerned about censorship aren't necessarily the people with the most center-of-the-road opinions. We shouldn't be shocked by that. But there is still an important principle at stake. And Rob was right to identify it and stand up for it when nobody else would.

I agree with Rob's original decision, which was based on registrar neutrality. To the extent that Epik has been politicized by actions or statements since then, or has been perceived to be, that's to be lamented.
 
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What you say makes sense if all speech is taken literally but people often use code words and hints, sometimes called dogwhistles since only some can hear them

So you're saying that what someone says isn't what they really say. What they really say are the dogwhistles that you can't hear them saying. But even though you can't detect someone saying something, you know anyway what they are secretly saying. And even though you admit you're deaf to the message, you will tell me what it says. Only bigots can hear dogwhistles. But bigots always speak in dogwhistles. So even though you can't hear the dogwhistle as a non-bigot, you can tell other non-bigots like me that there is a dogwhistle here, though you can't describe it. And because the unhearable dogwhistle exists, it must be bigoted.

I'm convinced.

If there is a dogwhistle, it can be identified and explained. If you can't identify it and explain it, then it's not there.
 
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Referring to a fake video created by white nationalists that falsely accused muslims of burning down Notre Dame, I said:

Suspicion about video hoaxes being used as propaganda IS JUSTIFIABLE.

And @NameLlama responds:

Nope nope nope nope....

So does that mean you believe I'm wrong to suspect white nationalists of creating that video? In other words, you believe it's authentic and that muslims burned down Notre Dame?

I don't think you believe that. So you must agree with me.
 
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I think in todayโ€™s times you have people that are easily offended as well as people who feel entitled. That is my observation of what I am seeing these days.

If I observe something that walks like a duck, looks like a duck, it is a duck in my observation, and I may air my observation on the Internet , to friends, family and ect.

Those people may not agree with my personal observation, may even be offended by it. This is nothing new, most everyone has this type of conduct simply from being human.

It can be anything from a co- workers clothing to a catastrophic event that takes place. Faulting people is real easy, owning your own faults is much harder.

I get judged virtually everywhere I go, people look at my wife and I constantly and have been for years, OMG!! โ€œLook, itโ€™s a white man with a black women! This in the southern state of Texas, now, if these same people who are busy judging my wife and I take a look at their own damn self, nah, it is easier to judge other people than own their own shit.

We all have faults, make mistakes, use bad judgment โ€œthat in the eyes of other peopleโ€ because a lot of things that you are judged on are simply your beliefs that YOU are a adamant about, that you feel are justified.

I see nothing different in this thread, than the above, you persecute a man over and over because of his beliefs, you threaten his livelihood with a boycott of the mans business.

Then โ€œtheoryโ€ is used as to the mans agenda saying he posted a video to bring PR to his company. That has to simply be โ€œtheoryโ€ on the behalf of those who posted such a thing. Because there is no concrete substantial proof of any sort to back these allegations. And I have seen the word theory used countless times in this thread.

So in effect many have used mere โ€œtheoryโ€ proclaim that Rob Monster is guilty???

You are doing the exact same thing that you are faulting him for, โ€œtheoryโ€
 
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As long as you are reading in bad faith, you will not understand what you read or judge others fairly.

why bring Muslims to the conversation?

Because white nationalists immediately began circulating conspiracy theories blaming the muslims for burning down Notre Dame. Those conspiracies were all over Twitter and YouTube. I presume Gab was full of that garbage too. Fox News picked it up. So did Glenn Beck. Read the articles I cited above. If you're not tuned into right-wing outlets, then you would mercifully not have been exposed to the lie. But anybody who is on the right in the USA, as Rob is, would have been at risk of seeing it all over the web.

Rob immediately contradicted that lie by saying he believes muslims were not involved. It is the height of arrogance to turn his statement upside down and insist that he really DOES believe they set fire to Notre Dame.

nobody was talking about Muslims, not even once, even while the cathedral was burning. It didn't even occur to people this was a voluntary act. Let alone that it was caused by Muslims.

False. This hoax video and related fake news permeated the web. You just weren't aware of it.

So tell me, why did he feel it was worthy or necessary to make that comment ? Coming from someone who is used to posting anti-Muslim memes.

Hopefully because people like me have criticized Rob for posting anti-Muslim memes โ€“ which was 1 reason cited in my resignation statement โ€“ Rob has learned something. We should allow someone to change their views. If Rob stresses that muslims did NOT cause the fire, then it's shameful to criticize him (ignoring what he said) as if he had blamed muslims for the fire.

I understand you are being loyal to your boss but you are not stupid.

My loyalty is to the facts as I see them. If Rob had blamed muslims for burning down Notre Dame, with no evidence showing any such thing, then I would be the first to condemn that. But Rob did the opposite, and I believe he deserves credit for what he actually chose to do.

Frankly speaking, those insinuations of his are lame and cowardly.

What insinuations? You made them up yourself, Kate, when you were auditioning as mind reader.

Is there any conspiracy theory he does not believe in ?

Just because Rob believes some conspiracy theories does not mean you can ascribe views to him that are the opposite of what he has said. Be fair.
 
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Referring to a fake video created by white nationalists that falsely accused muslims of burning down Notre Dame, I said:



And @NameLlama responds:



So does that mean you believe I'm wrong to suspect white nationalists of creating that video? In other words, you believe it's authentic and that muslims burned down Notre Dame?

I don't think you believe that. So you must agree with me.
Oh It meant in this instance it's not justifiable to say this could be a video hoax and also say people died
"this video looks like BS" but "people died"

"If youโ€™re like me, then you feel predisposed to believe that โ€“ whereas you DONโ€™T feel predisposed to believe that the NZ massacre video was a hoax perpetrated by the establishment."
Not about being predisoposed because it's a video grabbed from a live stream . . . . . . . O_o Where is the motive for inserting fake video into a live stream . . . . . unless. . . O_o well never mind

Feel like it's beating a dead horse
Ignore:yawn:
 
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The issue has never been lost on me. Forgive me for groaning when someone else points to the sun and says, "See, Joseph, that's the sun." Yes, thanks, I'm aware.

I want registrars to be neutral, whereas Epik is now perceived as ideological. That perception is based partly on (A) a few controversial domains that Epik has attracted; and (B) because of Rob's personal views and statements.

Then the solution should be just as obvious as well. However, Rob insists on supporting only one side (an extreme one at that), amplifying their voice, rather than acting as a neutral arbiter. He has taken an overt position on one side only. If you truly believe in the freedom of speech and search for the truth then you should lift up all the voices, instead of just one. If that were the case, then being the registrar for Gab.com may not have been as big an issue.

But it has become obvious why Epik chose to be the registrar for Gab.com. Rob shares the views expressed there and felt a personal slight when GoDaddy dropped that site.
 
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Definition of a White Nationalist:

Beginning of time - 2017: A caucasian who is prideful and loves their country.

2018 - present: Racist, bigot, domestic terrorist.

My how times have changed when the mainstream media has completely planted false definitions to deceive the masses.
 
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Definition of a White Nationalist:

Beginning of time - 2017: A caucasian who is prideful and loves their country.

2018 - present: Racist, bigot, domestic terrorist.

My how times have changed when the mainstream media has completely planted false definitions to deceive the masses.
Oh yeah that makes a lot of sense
White nationalist just means a nationalist who happens to be white, duh!!
Hahahaha
 
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It is a lot more accurate than your off-the-cuff unsupported definition.
After WW2 the world called Nationalists of all colors heroes for defeating the Nazi party. Now a Nationalist is called a Nazi.....My my how times have changed.
 
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Oh yeah that makes a lot of sense
White nationalist just means a nationalist who happens to be white, duh!!
Hahahaha

It is thought-provoking why there are no brown nationalists, or black nationalists, or yellow nationalists. Only white nationalists. Why the reference to skin color? As opposed to country. Can't a brown or black person be prideful and love their country as much as their white neighbor? Hmm.

After WW2 the world called Nationalists of all colors heroes for defeating the Nazi party. Now a Nationalist is called a Nazi.....My my how times have changed.

I'm sorry. I don't trust your take on history. I think they were called patriots and war heroes, not nationalists.
 
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I want to feel like I'm in Korea when I visit Korea. Same for India. I would never move to India and expect them to change their customs for me. And I'd definitely never expect them to distribute any social security or the like to me or my family. I'd think Koreans and Indians would share this sentiment. I think America should preserve its own culture and customs. I like the diversity of the world and I want to keep it diverse. The US is a nation with its own flag and its own constitution. We have prided ourselves on allowing many walks of life to come to the US and become an American. But now people have decided to come, but with blatant disregard for what it means to be American. They wave their home country's flag on our streets. I mean this literally.

We need to preserve the aspects of our nation that make it great. This includes gun rights and freedom of speech. Not sure if this has much to do with Rob but its on my mind today.
 
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It is thought-provoking why there are no brown nationalists, or black nationalists, or yellow nationalists. Only white nationalists. Why the reference to skin color? As opposed to country. Can't a brown or black person be prideful and love their country as much as their white neighbor? Hmm.

Guaranteed there are plenty of prideful Japanese in Japan. Many prideful Senegalese in Senegal. And so on.
 
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Guaranteed there are plenty of prideful Japanese in Japan. Many prideful Senegalese in Senegal. And so on.

I am sure of that. But they don't seem to refer to their nationalism as skin-color based. I may be wrong.
 
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