What's going on with Epik and Rob Monster?

[MapleDots]

I'm catching the tail end of this, seems to be some kind of controversy...

https://domaingang.com/domain-news/rob-monster-off-twitter-after-christchurch-massacre-controversy/

Must be something odd to evoke this type of a response from one of our members.

 

[Rob Monster]

Okay, so I have started a thread on developing MassShootings.org here (which was prompted by the post by @oldtimer quoted above):

https://www.namepros.com/threads/massshootings-org-development-advice.1152359/#post-7380498

I encourage anyone with an opinion or links to facts, please participate.

We have some promising and productive discussions going on there.

What I found incredible is that certain clandestine individual(s) tried to shut down the thread. They didn't succeed but where able to have the thread moved to the adult section. Which effectively would have killed it anyways. We talked to management who reviewed the content and agreed that it should not be in the adult section.

This certainly stinks of a campaign trying to control some narrative or agenda.

As per @JB Lions quote, I have also had my post removed as well which was directly confirmed by @Rob Monster that it was at his direction.

I don't want to accuse him of trying to shut down the new thread since I have no evidence of such.

My hope is that anyone that reported the thread to the moderators will come out into the open and say why they would do such a thing.

Otherwise, any talk of "free speech" here is just BS.

I did not touch your thread. If you want to write dramatic scripts, keep it off Namepros.

Good luck with your mission. Make sure to include a section on False flags.

 

[TCK]

If you want to write dramatic scripts, keep it off Namepros.

What dramatic scripts? What are you talking about?

 

[oldtimer]

All the mass shooters are not mentally sick. That is just an excuse.

Some are psychopaths and criminals who lack empathy for others, but many are what might be considered to be average people who are overtaken by rage and anger as a small conflict that they are involved in gets out of hand and escalates into becoming a catastrophic event, sudden rage and uncontrollable anger are also a kind of sickness which unfortunately can affect many who might otherwise be considered to be good people. In the case of the recent Texas mass shooting the gunman had called 911 earlier that day after encountering some conflict at work which had resulted in him losing his job and so his first reaction was to reach out for some kind of help or intervention. Perhaps we need to have a better system in place that can address people’s grievances and complaints before they escalate to become some kind of disaster. So aside from the psychopaths who are more difficult to deal with, the majority of the gun violence is being done by the average every day people who kill out of rage, revenge, suicide or just by accident and these are the people who have most likely already passed a background check, but then later had encountered a situation that made them lose control of what you might call their good side. We need to expand and improve the help lines so people can be calmed down before they lose control. IMO

 

[Rob Monster]

Some are psychopaths and criminals who lack empathy for others, but many are what might be considered to be average people who are overtaken by rage and anger as a small conflict that they are involved in gets out of hand and escalates into becoming a catastrophic event, sudden rage and uncontrollable anger are also a kind of sickness which unfortunately can affect many who might otherwise be considered to be good people. In the case of the recent Texas mass shooting the gunman had called 911 earlier that day after encountering some conflict at work which had resulted in him losing his job and so his first reaction was to reach out for some kind of help or intervention. Perhaps we need to have a better system in place that can address people’s grievances and complaints before they escalate to become some kind of disaster. So aside from the psychopaths who are more difficult to deal with, the majority of the gun violence is being done by the average every day people who kill out of rage, revenge, suicide or just by accident and these are the people who have most likely already passed a background check, but then later had encountered a situation that made them lose control of what you might call their good side. We need to expand and improve the help lines so people can be calmed down before they lose control. IMO

Agreed here.

I remain certain that we want this content out in public for review to allow law enforcement the opportunity to identity and engage folks who are genuine misanthropes before they retreat to the darker corners of the web with full anonymity.

I also have had a change of heart on the topic of "hate speech". I used to parrot the party line of "free speech is speech that you hate". I have actually changed my position on that topic slightly.

There is actual hate speech. It is speech that is actually empowered and rooted in actual hate. I have seen it first-hand from all sides. There are ANTIFA people who do it regularly and there are also poop-posting idiots who do it.

This morning I made the rare action of banning 2 sites from Epik from a customer whose content was so outrageously inflammatory that their obvious intent was not to educate, edify or engage but entirely to inflame, provoke and annoy certain minorities.

The free speech hardliners might read this and say that I was being a "cuck", however, I think I am beginning to get a more refined sense for where and how to draw the line, and also when to allow a line-crosser to once again use Epik services.

 

[oldtimer]

There is actual hate speech. It is speech that is actually empowered and rooted in actual hate. I have seen it first-hand from all sides.

When all sides hate you that means you are saying or doing something right

I also have had a change of heart on the topic of "hate speech". I used to parrot the party line of "free speech is speech that you hate". I have actually changed my position on that topic slightly.

Although people should be free to express themselves, but when they want to intentionally inflict harm or promote violence the society has the right to not give them a loudspeaker or a platform. IMO

 

[Rob Monster]

G. Edward Griffin is still alive and well at age 87. He was fearlessly connecting dots long before I was born. Here is a gem:

40 seconds long -- and a must watch.

 

[frank-germany]

G. Edward Griffin is still alive and well at age 87. He was fearlessly connecting dots long before I was born. Here is a gem:

40 seconds long -- and a must watch.

same is true for any label whatever

the fact that you quote that
in order to make your right-wing neighborhood appear harmless

well
that won't succeed

 

[frank-germany]

When all sides hate you that means you are saying or doing something right

what a nonsense

 

[Rob Monster]

same is true for any label whatever

the fact that you quote that
in order to make your right-wing neighborhood appear harmless

well
that won't succeed

First of all, I am not "right wing".

At best you could possibly call me a Libertarian Christian Conservative truth-seeker who loves everyone and judges nobody.

The point the video makes is legitimate -- there was a plan to marginalize and ostracize anyone who did not go along with a neo-Marxist game plan.

It is ironic that this content is still on YouTube. Fortunately I made a backup:

https://video.watchmask.com/NIylzZCv_ww/

 

[oldtimer]

what a nonsense

This was with the assumption that you are not doing anything wrong, but people just hate you because your point of view is against their interest and agenda. I thought this was already understood here.

@frank-germany , can you tell us what is your World View. What is considered to be the right World according to Frank.


Here is my World View:

I believe that all our existing ideologies, doctrines, and philosophies have failed us both as far as humanity and the environment. As we see all social and environmental norms start to collapse around us our only chance to survive is for humanity as a whole to ascended to a higher level of existence that is guided by logic and compassion and certain Universal rights and values. If we continue to let hate, greed, lust, jealousy, promiscuity, delinquency, animosity and the many of the other negative characteristics that have been controlling our lives to prevail and continue then we will miss this last window of opportunity to save ourselves. IMO

 

[frank-germany]

I believe that all our existing ideologies, doctrines, and philosophies have failed us both as far as humanity and the environment. As we see all social and environmental norms start to collapse around us our only chance to survive is for humanity as a whole to ascended to a higher level of existence that is guided by logic and compassion and certain Universal rights and values. If we continue to let hate, greed, lust, jealousy, promiscuity, delinquency, animosity and the many of the other negative characteristics that have been controlling our lives to prevail and continue then we will miss this last window of opportunity to save ourselves. IMO

the world is not the same
on every spot of the globe
and not everywhere is evil predominant

 

[oldtimer]

the world is not the same
on every spot of the globe
and not everywhere is evil predominant

And so What is your World View,

 

[TCK]

G. Edward Griffin is still alive and well at age 87. He was fearlessly connecting dots long before I was born. Here is a gem:

40 seconds long -- and a must watch.

Kind of like labeling people that want to help those less fortunate or the environment as "Socialist". Not kind of, exactly.

 

[frank-germany]

An so What is your World View,

people have different experiences
most experiences are based on your world view

what you focus on grows
you create your world yourself
at least you are responsible for a large portion of it

I think media is not doing us a favor in talking about every issue and problem whole day long
while not talking in the same way and amount of time
about positive news and developments

 

[frank-germany]

And so What is your World View,

labeling people is always not the best way to treat a problem

people are complex
that's what causes the issue

we can't understand every aspect of another person
or none at all

so we put a label at them

now it's easy
and everybody knows what to do and think

but it's simply: wrong

we are too stupid
and to fast


we are unable to understand the full complexity of the inner life of another human
and of our own inner self


the main problem of humanity is:
"we against them"

people who want to manipulate the masses
use this in their favor

try to understand when you got fooled by it
you will be surprised

 

[oldtimer]

Kind of like labeling people that want to help those less fortunate or the environment as "Socialist". Not kind of, exactly.

We need to come up with a new name that encompasses all our Universal ideals, rights, and values. We need to stop living in the past and come up with new ideas that can help humanity and this planet survive and enter the next phase of their existence. For us to be considered to be a force of good not only requires that we overcome all the humanity’s bad characteristics, but we also have to make sure that those characteristics are not passed on to the Artificial Intelligence entities and lifeforms that we are helping to create. IMO

 

[Cal2]

come up with new ideas that can help humanity and this planet survive and enter the next phase of their existence.

The best course program I've taken up till now for doing things like that. Can take you much beyond in usage anything like the critical thinking courses I did in university: https://www.edwddebono.com/course

For us to be considered to be a force of good not only requires that we overcome all the humanity’s bad characteristics

To be able to move forward, sometimes we need to (and need to be able to) design ways forward while leaving problems in place. Overcoming all humanity's bad characteristics could be one of those problems(?)

 

[oldtimer]

To be able to move forward, sometimes we need to (and need to be able to) design ways forward while leaving problems in place. Overcoming all humanity's bad characteristics could be one of those problems(?)

Not unless those bad human characteristics are going to create attitudes that are going to cause more divisions, conflicts, catastrophes, and possibly more Wars. If there is no change in the status quo as far as how the World thinks and operates and if Humanity stays on the same course as before as far as continuing to cause more damage to the environment, sooner or later our World will self destruct as it is under threat from so many different fronts. The window of opportunity to take action is small and is closing fast, it will be ashamed if humanity with all it’s intellect, skills, technologies, experiences, and intelligence fails to save itself. Any logical prediction or forecast of the many different possible outcomes for our World would most likely show that the survival of humanity and this planet both require immediate and meaningful intervention and changes in our ways.

Isolationism might have its advantages and can put one country or continent temporarily ahead as it unifies people against outside threats, but since every continent is capable of damaging and destroying the World on its own it really doesn’t matter how far you advance through isolationism if people on the other side of the World can undo all your success and achievements due to their ignorance or animosity. For the humanity and this planet to survive it requires for all people to control and contain those bad characteristics that prevent them from coming together in a positive way to do some good for the World. We have to accept the fact that no one can save themselves alone without saving the whole World. IMO

 

[frank-germany]

Not unless those bad human characteristics are going to create attitudes that are going to cause more divisions, conflicts, catastrophes, and possibly more Wars. If there is no change in the status quo as far as how the World thinks and operates and if Humanity stays on the same course as before as far as continuing to cause more damage to the environment, sooner or later our World will self destruct as it is under threat from so many different fronts. The window of opportunity to take action is small and is closing fast, it will be ashamed if humanity with all it’s intellect, skills, technologies, experiences, and intelligence fails to save itself. Any logical prediction or forecast of the many different possible outcomes for our World would most likely show that the survival of humanity and this planet both require immediate and meaningful intervention and changes in our ways.

Isolationism might have its advantages and can put one country or continent temporarily ahead as it unifies people against outside threats, but since every continent is capable of damaging and destroying the World on its own it really doesn’t matter how far you advance through isolationism if people on the other side of the World can undo all your success and achievements due to their ignorance or animosity. For the humanity and this planet to survive it requires for all people to control and contain those bad characteristics that prevent them from coming together in a positive way to do some good for the World. We have to accept the fact that no one can save themselves alone without saving the whole World. IMO

and now?

 

[oldtimer]

and now?

and now what?