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What Would You Called a Domain That was deleted When Re registered

Labeled as discuss in Domain Expiration and Domain Drop Catching started by elevator, Jul 31, 2018.

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  1. elevator

    elevator DnCombo.com VIP

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    Dear domainers I think this is necessary to clarify about the group that domains that were deleted before catching could belongs. I believe the domains that expired and caught without been deleted can not be of the same category with the deleted ones.

    Let us use BTM.com as my test case

    Please Let there be no centiments in your contribution to this dialogue.
     
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  2. Ategy.com

    Ategy.com NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Pretty sure it was @ikehook who once referred to these as HandCaught domains .. which I guess makes them "HandCatches" or "HandCatch Domains"

    Essentially domains that were:

    1- Registered
    2- Then expired
    3- Not claimed at expiration auction
    4- Dropped/Deleted from the registry
    5- Not picked up by automated (dropcatch) systems in the first instant after becoming available again.
    6- Handreg'ed at normal handreg price.
     
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  3. elevator

    elevator DnCombo.com VIP

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    You are right from my own concepts because they were dropped and deleted and carrying a new registration dates.
     
  4. imadoer

    imadoer Active Member PRO VIP

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    It's still not hand registered It's caught
     
  5. elevator

    elevator DnCombo.com VIP

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    Caught after been deleted, remember that DropCatch does not belong to ICANN but to a private company like yours.
    More so the domain is carrying a new date as hand reg or as a new reg.
     
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  6. Ategy.com

    Ategy.com NameCult.com Gold Account VIP

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    Not really ... it's both! ;)
     
  7. imadoer

    imadoer Active Member PRO VIP

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    It's not you had no fair shot at registering the domain
     
  8. Kate

    Kate Domainosaurus Rex VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I don't understand what you mean.
    All gTLD registrars must be accredited by Icann, but Icann has otherwise nothing to do with all this.

    BTM.com does not qualify as a handreg because as said above, it was impossible for a normal human being to catch it manually. Handreg means registered by hand right.
     
  9. SuperDudePro

    SuperDudePro Established Member

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    Unless you got it for the same price as a never been registered before domain, it's not a hand registered, imo.

    Didn't BTM go for 20+k? I'm not somewhere I can check. So you are saying that someone picked up btm.com for under $10? If not I dont see why you'd consider it hand reg'ed. What an I missing?
     
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  10. elevator

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    Ok I want to respond to your last line. Why would I considered btm as a new reg is that btm is having a new date as every other hand regs domain.

    All I know is btm was caught and re registerd and sold for that amount. I f you like you can call it new reg or hand reg, but btm is dropped deleted and caught and is now carying a new date as every other newly registered domains I don't care about how much was it registered or sold

    I can see it as a premium domain because it is an LLL.com which must be very expensive to acquire. Having registered it before does not make it old domain but a new domain by date. Mind you, many of such dropped, deleted and caught are in thousands that are not sold or sold cheap The price it was sold or caught does not change its new date of registration .

    I wanted to say REGISTRY above and not mean ICANN
     
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  11. SuperDudePro

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    I'm no expert, so don't mean to sound like I am. But, I'm pretty sure that no one considers dropped domain auctions as hand reg. You've had a lot of people tell you that they don't consider it to be a hand reg, unless you could go to any registrar and buy it, just the same as anyone else. BTM does not fit that description.

    You can keep arguing with everyone that it's day time when they all say it is night time, but it's not getting us anywhere. I understand what you are calling hand reg. I'm saying that every single time I've heard someone talk about a hand reg, they were using something far closer to my definition than yours.

    You're arguing semantics.

    Who would have to join this thread to tell you that BTM.com is not a hand reg for you to concede and move on? Which domain expert would you trust enough to take their word?

    Yes, it has a new reg date. That does not make it a hand reg.

    There are a sh-t ton of threads lately where people hold onto positions that are pretty indefensible forever, no matter how many people try to help them.

    You should start a poll and promise beforehand that if 75% of people say that BTM.com is NOT a hand reg, that you'll drop it. Or not, but I'm done either way at this point.

    (edited for clarity and spelling)
     
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  12. urlurl

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    aren't all names that drop and are picked up be drop catchers have their dates reset. the only exception is pre drop auctions.
     
  13. elevator

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    Yap! Any one dropped can be caught by the lucky one who backordered or fight for it at auction if they are more than one.

    You know there are some that dropped but caught before deleted and those are the one that carring a contineous date as old names.
    And there are some that dropped and deleted before catching them; those are the one that carring a new date as a fresh domains. This is where btm belongs.

    Well you may not call them hand regs but as a matter of fact, they are new reg but they may be premium or not. Btm as a premium domain does not make it an old domain anymore by the date of its new registration.

    I know many domainers are not aware of these facts; what they belive is dropped and caught.
     
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  14. ikehook

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    wow lol. I guess I have to respond to this crazy thread because my buddy @Ategy.com mentioned my name.

    First off, who really gives a crap about the date? It's a nice metric to follow to find a "higher concentration" of names with value, but the end user doesn't care. The date of BTM has no bearing on its value.

    Elevator, You are using confusing terms. I recently wrote an article on this. last month

    https://dsad.com/ikes-list-of-domains-at-auction-for-tuesday-july-10th/

    You say "dropped" lumping "expired auctions" and "deleted" names in together.

    When you say "some that dropped but caught before deleted" you're confusing dropped with expired.

    When you say "And there are some that dropped and deleted before catching them" you are again confusing an expired auction with a name that goes through it's whole life cycle. Auto renew grace, Redemption, 5 days of pending delete, deleted for a fraction of a nanosecond and registered again.

    It comes down to which registrar the name lives at. If a LLL com lives at a registrar that has an expired auction process it will never "drop", to clarify, it will never go through redemption, pending delete and then deletion. This is because it will be bought in the auction and was never dropped.

    If an LLL com lives at an registrar that does not have an expired auction process, it will go through Redemption, then pending delete, will be deleted and immediately caught. (most likely by Dropcatch.com)

    The only caveat, I think, is that a name could be manually deleted from the registrar, thus bypassing the auction process, but I'm not sure if this actually happens.

    So to your original point, these domains are in different categories with different terminology. You're just not using them right.
     
  15. elevator

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    OK Thanks.
     

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