What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

[hookbox]

Honestly I'm getting sick of being associated with Domaining. One black cloud after another. Every time I turn around another scandal is occurring in this industry.

If the Snapnames Halvarez scandal isn't enough
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/11/0...hings-that-came-out-of-the-snapnames-scandal/

then we can talk about Bob Parsons shooting elephants
http://mashable.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-elephant-story/#mipS02pncSqf

How about the Network Solutions story?
http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...uestionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/

How about the story of Toby Clements.
http://domainshane.com/time-domains-selling-left-right-toby-clements-vanishes/

How about the Flippa story?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so-you-thought-flippa-was-shady.879930/

Low and behold we have another with Adam Dicker.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

What the fuck is wrong with this industry?

 

[hookbox]

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[ezcoms]

All industries are full of dirt bags. The domain industry is pretty simple because everyone wants to make 100s of dollars the first day they start domaining. So, people take advantage of greed and there you go.

The first year trying to make money you'll buy whatisacomputerchipabcdef.com and think... OMG, I am going to make a million dollars from Intel. Then.... Hopes and dreams flush away when the wizards of Namepros.com and set them straight.

Another gem is make money with parking. Omg handregged domains and people wondering why no money is coming in.

For money, people will fall for anything. Especially some weasel named ADAM!

Honestly I'm getting sick of being associated with Domaining. One black cloud after another. Every time I turn around another scandal is occurring in this industry.

If the Snapnames Halvarez scandal isn't enough
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/11/0...hings-that-came-out-of-the-snapnames-scandal/

then we can talk about Bob Parsons shooting elephants
http://mashable.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-elephant-story/#mipS02pncSqf

How about the Network Solutions story?
http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...uestionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/

How about the story of Toby Clements.
http://domainshane.com/time-domains-selling-left-right-toby-clements-vanishes/

How about the Flippa story?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so-you-thought-flippa-was-shady.879930/

Low and behold we have another with Adam Dicker.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

 

[umask077]

Honestly I'm getting sick of being associated with Domaining. One black cloud after another. Every time I turn around another scandal is occurring in this industry.

If the Snapnames Halvarez scandal isn't enough
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/11/0...hings-that-came-out-of-the-snapnames-scandal/

then we can talk about Bob Parsons shooting elephants
http://mashable.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-elephant-story/#mipS02pncSqf

How about the Network Solutions story?
http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...uestionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/

How about the story of Toby Clements.
http://domainshane.com/time-domains-selling-left-right-toby-clements-vanishes/

How about the Flippa story?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so-you-thought-flippa-was-shady.879930/

Low and behold we have another with Adam Dicker.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

I agree with your post 100%, this is the industry with the highest ratio of scumbags.

 

[ezcoms]

I agree with your post 100%, this is the industry with the highest ratio of scumbags.

Scum is everywhere whenever money is involved. A prime example: Geek Squad computer service. They are blood sucking leeches who are no better than domain scammers. But they hide in plain site. Installing this, that, fixing this and that and charging naïve and computer illiterate people an arm and a leg to do stuff that is easy to fix if you just "Google" it or watch a video somewhere. Who is the real crook these days? Corporate greed charging an 80 year old man $135 to replace his hard drive or teaching him how to use his iPad? Or a smooth talking mild manner self proclaimed domain guru telling greedy inexperienced domainers if the domain they buy can be developed and for how much... Hmm...

Taking advantage of the naïve is scummy but who is the victim and criminal?

 

[1NiteStand]

Not this industry, but the Internet in general

 

[ezcoms]

It's easier to be a dirt bag behind the computer. You have all walks of life preying on people. What the scariest thing is RANSOM WARE. Getting your computer encrypted and having to use TOR and e-mail someone to get the keys to unlock your files by paying Bitcoin. Now that is something far worse than some kinky haired EX godaddy employee working from home making landing pages.

 

[baseballworld]

Honestly I'm getting sick of being associated with Domaining. One black cloud after another. Every time I turn around another scandal is occurring in this industry.

If the Snapnames Halvarez scandal isn't enough
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/11/0...hings-that-came-out-of-the-snapnames-scandal/

then we can talk about Bob Parsons shooting elephants
http://mashable.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-elephant-story/#mipS02pncSqf

How about the Network Solutions story?
http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...uestionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/

How about the story of Toby Clements.
http://domainshane.com/time-domains-selling-left-right-toby-clements-vanishes/

How about the Flippa story?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so-you-thought-flippa-was-shady.879930/

Low and behold we have another with Adam Dicker.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

Not just domaining it is every industry. Everyone wants to make money but some go to extremes and try to find easier ways sometimes illegal to do it. Just how it is.

 

[1NiteStand]

Not this industry, but the Internet in general

Then again, not just the Internet, but Life in general.

 

[Sam Roy]

@hookbox please name that Scumbag from India. Such people needed to be publicly shamed. Other members will be careful of him.

 

[kish224]

I'll tell you whats wrong with this industry. People would rather pay people instead of reading a book and trying things on their own. What's funny is if you break business down to the basics it actually is harder to fail than to succeed. Keep shit simple. What's wrong is that people believe that domaining is at a point where you can make money all day on it. It's a side hustle as of now for most of the people that are in it because the industry is not big enough yet. It is still the wild west with this, it will get more stabilized. The internet as we know it is still an infant. What 20-25 years( mid 90s).

 

[iowadawg]

Another thread that makes me laugh.

 

[hookbox]

@hookbox please name that Scumbag from India. Such people needed to be publicly shamed. Other members will be careful of him.

I don't have definitive proof yet or I would have already. Working on it.

 

[Kenny]

Dont forget RegFly....

But really, man, it's not as bad as you think.
Yes, there are many lowlife scoundrels in this industry, but the point is, eventually they end up showing their true colors and are outed.
They get all the attention, making it easy for some, (mainstream media included) to judge the entire industry by these azzhats.

But what about the thousands of domainers right here in this forum you never hear about in the conferences / trade shows?
The ethical, selfless, helpful, giving members that truly deserve the spotlight, but have no interest in self promotion.
They just do what they do because it's who they are.

So, bottom line, this is an old topic... the small % of azzhats get the spotlight (as they should) and the vast majority of quality humans just keep on keepin on.
Dont get jaded, continue to be a decent person and decent people will find you.

Peace,
Cyberian

 

[Fancy.domains]

I think it's simple, but obviously sad...

Domainers are people. Some people are great, some are not.

Domaining is about money. Money brings out the worst in (some) people.

 

[greggb]

Honestly I'm getting sick of being associated with Domaining. One black cloud after another. Every time I turn around another scandal is occurring in this industry.

If the Snapnames Halvarez scandal isn't enough
http://www.thedomains.com/2009/11/0...hings-that-came-out-of-the-snapnames-scandal/

then we can talk about Bob Parsons shooting elephants
http://mashable.com/2011/03/31/bob-parsons-elephant-story/#mipS02pncSqf

How about the Network Solutions story?
http://techcrunch.com/2008/01/10/ne...uestionable-tactic-to-sell-more-domain-names/

How about the story of Toby Clements.
http://domainshane.com/time-domains-selling-left-right-toby-clements-vanishes/

How about the Flippa story?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/so-you-thought-flippa-was-shady.879930/

Low and behold we have another with Adam Dicker.
https://www.namepros.com/threads/is-adam-dicker-a-criminal-you-decide.883579/

What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

You must have had to really dig to come up with so much negative crap. And then come here and share it with us, in an attempt to make us as generally bitter about life as you are.

It didn't work. If you think you have it bad always remember you could be an algae eater in a fish tank, sentenced to press your lips up against the side of the glass and peer out at the world around while ingesting algae. I'll bet any algae eater would trade you. You could go and suck algae for a while, and they could be a domainer, and sit and eat bagels while regging domain names that will never sell.

Or, if you think you have it bad you could be toilet paper. I don't believe that one needs any explaining

Cheer up! And quit dwelling on all that negative crap.

 

[hookbox]

You must have had to really dig to come up with so much negative crap. And then come here and share it with us, in an attempt to make us as generally bitter about life as you are.

It didn't work. If you think you have it bad always remember you could be an algae eater in a fish tank, sentenced to press your lips up against the side of the glass and peer out at the world around while ingesting algae. I'll bet any algae eater would trade you. You could go and suck algae for a while, and they could be a domainer, and sit and eat bagels while regging domain names that will never sell.

Or, if you think you have it bad you could be toilet paper. I don't believe that one needs any explaining

Cheer up! And quit dwelling on all that negative crap.

You obviously don't know much about this industry because these are things that most domainers already know about. I added the links so those that don't know could read about it.

I guess it's easy to call me bitter because you didn't like what I had to say about your Brandigger project. Hookbox "laughs at you". Wait a second, that was your slogan.

 

[Jeff Markus]

I think our industry is not very bad. Just has a few very bad people running a shit ton of scams each.

For example Adam Dicker. He just got slammed for scamming people with Nichewebsites.com and hes already off on his new SEO SCAM

http://seobrokers.ca/

So you cut one head off the hydra and another grows back. Same thing as Rick Latona, he got busted in the domain business and went off to the watch business but the same pattern of ripping people off.

We have a problem and its get rich quick, easy development, shortcuts shortcut shortcuts... If you read essays from Paul Graham you'll ready about hard work, struggles and overcoming challenges.

You listen to guys like Adam Dicker or view his sites and its ... fast results, no hassle, low-low price....

"SEO can be a slow tedious part of your online business. Let us make it easy. With our technology we can show you real results in as little as 1 week!"

Just ONE WEEK!!!!

Until everyone STOPS guys like Adam Dicker from making false claims this industry will also suffer from one conman to the next

His 4 week old site SEOBrokers.ca claims to be over 10 years old with 43000 people using their API. It makes unreal claims throughout and provides no live examples of any of their work. It's a fraud. He's a fraud and he needs to be called out. People with bold claims need to back them up, if we can do just this we will be in much better shape.

 

[Winfluence]

I don't understand why folks don't use Escrow. It doesn't matter if it's an old friend or someone with reputation in the biz. If they aren't trying to scam you then they'd agree to use an escrow with out a fuss...especially if you're offering to pay the Escrow fee...then there's absolutely no excuses for not wanting to use Escrow. If they say "no thanks" you're dealing with a scammer. Even if it's your best friend...guess what...he's a scammer!

 

[1NiteStand]

Welcome to the Internet.

 

[frank-germany]

I don't understand why folks don't use Escrow. It doesn't matter if it's an old friend or someone with reputation in the biz. If they aren't trying to scam you then they'd agree to use an escrow with out a fuss...especially if you're offering to pay the Escrow fee...then there's absolutely no excuses for not wanting to use Escrow. If they say "no thanks" you're dealing with a scammer. Even if it's your best friend...guess what...he's a scammer!

wise words..

 

[Winfluence]

Link: Crime levels soar as millions of cyber crimes included for first time (Note: This might just account for the UK alone. Imagine world wide!)

 

[S-B]

You must have had to really dig to come up with so much negative crap. And then come here and share it with us, in an attempt to make us as generally bitter about life as you are.

It didn't work. If you think you have it bad always remember you could be an algae eater in a fish tank, sentenced to press your lips up against the side of the glass and peer out at the world around while ingesting algae. I'll bet any algae eater would trade you. You could go and suck algae for a while, and they could be a domainer, and sit and eat bagels while regging domain names that will never sell.

Or, if you think you have it bad you could be toilet paper. I don't believe that one needs any explaining

Cheer up! And quit dwelling on all that negative crap.

I think you and Iowadog need to make love.

The offspring of such a horrifying relationship would literally be the worst forum member in history.

 

[carob]

What the f*ck is wrong with this industry?

It's an interesting question and I thought, let's take a step back and see what features of this industry make it so open to scamming? The equities industry also has scams, and so do physical auction houses and the gaming industry.

Auctioning
All auctions run the risk of shills - even in fine art and antiques.

Easy transfer of property
Takes just minutes to transfer ownership - not like cars or land.

Virtual Product
Supply of domains is infinite

Low barriers to entry
Anyone can join. No clear set of knowledge you need - and some exploit that to "train" others.

Get Rich Quick Stories
We're always reading about high price sales so people dream of a lottery ticket

Lack of trusted advisors
Estibot anyone? Or someone operating on commission? No real way to set values

Trademark Issues

I'm sure there's more...personally I think domaining should be seen as gambling rather than investing.

 

[carob]

By the way, we are talking about the aftermarket - domainers are used car dealers, whereas registrars are dealerships selling new product, mostly.

 

[yogiDomain]

I think you and Iowadog need to make love.

The offspring of such a horrifying relationship would literally be the worst forum member in history.

This is the most hilarious comment.
I agree about offspring being the worst nightmare to everybody..