.tv What I Would Love To See Being Offered By Demand Media!!!

[MillersCrossing]

First off, keeping to their timeframe of second quarter for premo release /tools and please keep it to the beginning of the 2nd quarter, not the end of June!!!!!!!!!

Secondly, for me to have my .TV domain - say NICOTINE.TV as a example, and to allow all people visiting the site to post their videos about their own nicotine addiction, effectively building up a library of available vlogs to keep viewers coming back.

A chance for members of the community of nicotine addicts to rate and discuss some of the videos, leve comments etc etc ......


THe question is are we talking about these sorts of tools and if yes, will the site owners be asked to pay for the bandwidth of hosting those videos etc etc

Any opinions out there on whether

1. the above is a distinct possibility
2. and if DM will offer these , will these tools have to be paid for ???
3. what tool can currently offer that now at a low level price???

Can DM now understand the level of frustration for those who are waiting to develop some of their smaller projects but must wait on this RELEASE if and when it does ome....

 

[space101]

Kickapps.com my friend, great video community site builder

 

[equity78]

Well millers I think there will probably be some charge for these tools or they will be a part of an overall hosting package. I mean I do not know for sure but I would imagine you can only use the ENOM tools if you use ENOM's hosting service and or site builder.
I doubt for $25 they will say you get everything else for free.

The delay is a joke I agree, they could have still been operating retail under Verisign and when they were ready made the announcement about ENOM.

From everything being said the tools are great. I believe you will be able to do what you gave an example of in your post. The question is for what price? Flat Rate? Bandwidth usage? I mean I doubt a site that gets a few uniques a day paying the same price as a popular site getting 3000 uniques a day. Unless Demand Media placing advertisements or running pre rolls. You would think they could give an outline as to what the tools will do and how much if anything they will cost to use per domain.

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

Kickapps.com my friend, great video community site builder

I think Kick Apps KICKS AZZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[localexperts]

In the Gold Rush, who made the most money

the people who did the mining or the people who sold picks and shovels to the people who looked for gold.

Well the people who found gold made more money, but they took all the risk and only a few got rich.

While the people who sold the picks and shovels made alot of money with zero risks.

Enter DemandMedia.

They will probably have a model similiar to Mapquest (pre-Google maps) charged web owners who wanted to display maps and directions. You purchased a number of map impression each month. The problem was the lowest tier a couple thousand/month, so the smaller operators were financial discouraged to go with Mapquest.

Now DemandMedia is going for the ChannelMe crowd, so they will probably support smaller operators. But storage and bandwidth costs $$, not alot of $$, but DemandMedia has wants to show a hefty revenue stream and profit so they can go public.

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

the people who did the mining or the people who sold picks and shovels to the people who looked for gold.

Well the people who found gold made more money, but they took all the risk and only a few got rich.

They also got the Black Lung, or was that coal...LOL

A real question I have is how much revenue do they make off of each reg, and perhaps they have desinged the premium regs to cover basic costs???

What I mean is, perhaps if you add up all the yearly premium reg fees, the total amount earned covers a certain safety net, or percentage of operating costs.

That could be considerable CASH FLOW.

The question is, who gets it, VERISIGN, or Demand Media?

(Is ENOM owned by demand media now???)

I would imagine if they give free bandwidth, you will need to run there ads,
or pay an extra fee for premium tools and services.

 

[localexperts]

All I know is that my mine shaft elevator

departs soon and I need to get some shuteye.

I will be adding an entry to my hosts file
namepros.com 127.0.0.1

techies will get the joke. this will prevent me from getting to namepros.com until that entry is removed.

"I would imagine if they give free bandwidth, you will need to run there ads,
or pay an extra fee for premium tools and services."

Yes, but the real question is how is the TV operator going to make money if they are paying per impression or running DemandMedia ads. You can't run 2 (Demand Media followed by yours) ads before the person gets to the content and if the impression charge is too high, you might not get the CPM rate for your video ads to cover your direct costs, let alone make a profit.

IMHO the ChannelMe campaign seems targeted to an audience that operates their sites as a hobby, not a business. When you consider RR's previous venture, it was tools targeted for users; not business owners.

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

departs soon and I need to get some shuteye.

I will be adding an entry to my hosts file
namepros.com 127.0.0.1

techies will get the joke. this will prevent me from getting to namepros.com until that entry is removed.

"I would imagine if they give free bandwidth, you will need to run there ads,
or pay an extra fee for premium tools and services."

Yes, but the real question is how is the TV operator going to make money if they are paying per impression or running DemandMedia ads. You can't run 2 (Demand Media followed by yours) ads before the person gets to the content and if the impression charge is too high, you might not get the CPM rate for your video ads to cover your direct costs, let alone make a profit.

IMHO the ChannelMe campaign seems targeted to an audience that operates their sites as a hobby, not a business. When you consider RR's previous venture, it was tools targeted for users; not business owners.

Well your right but again we are back to some sites will have more traffic then other for various reasons.

Social networking sites are the new messageboard for Web 2.0

The same way a business could add a message baord, they now could add a video player or myspace type social site.

Who knows what is going to happen with ads, you are right and perhaps these questions bring around the PREMIUM STATE OF THE ART TOOLS/SERVICES which might be available for PREMIUM REGS...

They might very well have something really innovative...

 

[antonis12]

departs soon and I need to get some shuteye.

I will be adding an entry to my hosts file
namepros.com 127.0.0.1

techies will get the joke. this will prevent me from getting to namepros.com until that entry is removed.

"I would imagine if they give free bandwidth, you will need to run there ads,
or pay an extra fee for premium tools and services."

Yes, but the real question is how is the TV operator going to make money if they are paying per impression or running DemandMedia ads. You can't run 2 (Demand Media followed by yours) ads before the person gets to the content and if the impression charge is too high, you might not get the CPM rate for your video ads to cover your direct costs, let alone make a profit.

IMHO the ChannelMe campaign seems targeted to an audience that operates their sites as a hobby, not a business. When you consider RR's previous venture, it was tools targeted for users; not business owners.

:bingo: I think LocalExperts has it 100% correct.

I would not expect for 1 second that Enom is going to release free tools that will allow you to build a business grade .tv website.

Richard has already declared in interviews that the target is YouTube ("why have an anonymous YouTube account when you could have your own "channel").

So I am expecting hobbyist-style tools. Even with the other existing providers(Kickapps, Brightcove, etc), I highly doubt you will build a profitable site based on "community" on a limited Type-in Traffic Site, just taking the small slice of ad revenue that is left over after Brightcove/kickapps/enom take their slice.

If you want to build a real site and a real business, you have go the hard work of making a useful application or having useful content for people. IMHO.

 

[MillersCrossing]

:bingo: I think LocalExperts has it 100% correct.

I would not expect for 1 second that Enom is going to release free tools that will allow you to build a business grade .tv website.

Richard has already declared in interviews that the target is YouTube ("why have an anonymous YouTube account when you could have your own "channel").

So I am expecting hobbyist-style tools. Even with the other existing providers(Kickapps, Brightcove, etc), I highly doubt you will build a profitable site based on "community" on a limited Type-in Traffic Site, just taking the small slice of ad revenue that is left over after Brightcove/kickapps/enom take their slice.

If you want to build a real site and a real business, you have go the hard work of making a useful application or having useful content for people. IMHO.

Forget type in traffic site, this question relates to people wanting to start a serious business, using social community tools to build up a niche site like DOGSTER..........DM I agree will never be providing such a platform or tools.......other than the most basic............

 

[hugegrowth]

DM might run ads and split the revenue with the domain owner. More popular sites would use more bandwidth, but DM and domain owner would both make revenue - a win / win.

You can make your own forum/blog/photo community site at Ning.com - It's free to start but cost $20/month to take over the advertising on your site.

 

[localexperts]

CPM and rev/share - rarely work together

and most businesses won't accept 50/50 deals. Google pays AOL 80% to keep them in the boat, otherwise AOL would launch their own PPC network.

 

[antonis12]

Forget type in traffic site, this question relates to people wanting to start a serious business, using social community tools to build up a niche site like DOGSTER..........DM I agree will never be providing such a platform or tools.......other than the most basic............

well, kickapps is there today for anyone who wants to get started...

It doesn't monetize but it at least gives some technical tools to get started...

 

[*AllThings.tv*]

My only issue with kick apps is that their software does not have the features it needs to really be successful at the moment.

 

[MillersCrossing]

My only issue with kick apps is that their software does not have the features it needs to really be successful at the moment.

And it needs to be intergrated with an existing website or you got to create a website from scratch and incorporate......not a problem if you have a design team in place, a problem if you dont!

THis is not unique to Kick Apps....as I noted in another thread, there are more than 40 social tool companies....http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/02/12/list-of-white-label-social-networking-platforms only a handful offer a full turnkey solution for those that want to hit the ground running...there is a cost of course for turnkey management, but when initially all you are concentrating on is trying to fan the flames into a social network niche market, taking the IT headache out of the picture may just be what the doc ordered.

 

[Dr. Mindwrecker]

Millers, due to the events a few months back I am not discussing anything business related through PM on this site but thankyou anyways.

If you would like more information about my thoughts on your list (and I have plenty of opinions), please PM me your email address and I would be more than happy to exchange some thoughts on those companies, as have contacted a few myself.

Next week I will be showing my first geo.tv but it is not quite finished yet, I am excited to have a basic BETA site to market.

As far as Demands tools go I am excited to see those tools but am dissapointed about not having found out information on bandwidth pricing packages and customer service, plus I am concerend about an infrastructure bottlekneck at the launch of these tools, as far as customer service/tech support goes.

I would imagine before long however that if Demand Media becomes as big as they are talking about that they will have some sort of pro/business tool package and/or will buy up another software company, maybe even one of the sites on your list???