discuss What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

[INFJ]

What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

Your turn!

 

[Leopard]

The whole new GTLD era failed me .. LMAO . Back to good old .com

Was pretty excited when the dawn of new GTLDs happened. Picked up some nice one word domains in various extensions. But when the renewal time occurred, i looked into the sales of these gtlds and realized the ROI is not appealing. Compared to the cost (renewals) vs the revenue (selling price and % of these domains sold, end-user interest in these extensions), it didnt seem profitable to me. Yeah a random good sale happens here and there. But if you look at the inventory (number of domains the person has in the gtld) and the renewal costs - not much business sense to me.


And the list of ever-increasing new GTLDs is constantly growing and has undermined the value of this entire new ecosystem. Because you find the keyword in some extension or other, abundant supply and hard to convince end-users about a particular GTLD. I feel it has also dented .net and some other classic extensions. But .com is always the sought after one.

- Leopard

 

[HotKey]

Guys.. we are still in the same decade as the new G release. And already you look at failure as an option. And not even a decade, most in the last 5 years,

What were your expectations, exactly?
Was there some sort of deadline set in place, to make or break?
Has there been consideration given to a completely different adoption model than what we are used to?
What is your definition of success vs failure? Is there a blueprint for this?

Again. Patience and education. Since when is that a failure? Seems to me those are key to a successful future. But maybe too much to ask in this generation of want it, want it now.

There were people and there still are that worked very hard, gave their entire life day in and day out for years and years to make .com what it is today. Do you think it happened on its own? It's not like registries come out with these new extensions and the world all of a sudden knows about them, and all the legacy investors and business owners are going to be on board all tickety-boo, its going to take the same grit and determination from years past to bring these new guys as real contenders in the domain name arena.

Look, if its not for you its not for you. But I really would rather see this "failure" conversion happening at least a decade or two after the fact, not a year after regging a name, renewals come around and oh no I haven't sold. Keep that mentality for throwaway .coms, easy come easy go. If you look at anyone of us who are vested in new Gs and do research here on NP, there have never been any misgivings about them being quick flips or short term opportunities.

Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing, it hasn't exploded but that's fine, nothing wrong either with investing/using decent legacy's or ccTLDs which are tried, tested and true. The learning curve with the new GTDs is not an easy one, I tell you not a month goes by when I re-evaluate or re-think that particular end of my portfolio.

 

[JayT]

I thought you didn’t invest in .com?
How did it fail you? You have over 1,000 new TLD’s but .com failed you?

We’re talking about the extension that makes up for 99.99% of 6 and 7 figure sales? That’s the extension that failed you guys?

Let’s get real.

GET REAL? REALITY IS 87%! Pure propaganda. You think 1/10,000 when reality is 1/10, ESTIMATE OFF by a MORE THAN a factor of 1,000+ - HAHAHA! A PRO?

How far is the moon, a billion miles, dude?

 

[JB Lions]

Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing.

What rise? Overall numbers, it was 29 million something at peak, now it's 26 million something. Last year it was 26 something, so overall numbers seemed to have steadied. Bob Hawkes recent blog post said:

"Unless there is a turnaround, it looks like 2019 will be slower than the previous two years in terms of new global top level domain (new gTLD) sales. "

Slower. These first came out in 2014, everything should be going up, it's not. Overall reg numbers down from peak, about the same as last year. Sales slower.

 

[Prophecy]

It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.

 

[Samer]

It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.

I disagree with this prophecy. As it stands now, .com is king, and i enjoy paying $8 year to renew. 7% negl
This is long-term game for me. I have big aspirations
$8- affordable most (all?) doesnt mean “propaganda”

Now, If you disagree with Verisign; i’m sorry to say, their (cash cow) .com contract, runs through 2024.
They are profiting from them, which I’m OK with.

I dont buy the; “Only costs $1 per .com to manage.”
I value stability, they are better than new gTLD who charge $x,xxx or even xxx, honestly even high xx lol

 

[JB Lions]

It has to be .com for the majority of the domainers.
I have always believed .com to be the best among all TLDs. But dot com, like any other TLD, is a sort of pyramid scheme, whereby only people on the top(early-stage investors) enjoy the fruits of good quality keyword domains and rest of bottom are trying to sell each other. It is sad that 99% of the bottom ones will never sell.. Why? Because the end-user would never want them. And here we have the propaganda machines, who keep burning alive the dot com is king threads day in and day out. It is ethically and morally wrong that the big players of this industry never tell the truth of the actual end-user demand and put precious investments of the new domainers in jeopardy. One could well compare the number of dot com registrations to be akin to ghost cities of China.
I also believed in the past that ngTLDs to be a failure and a fad, but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings.
My advice would be to get quality keyword domains in any extension, that offers lower renewal price.

haha, like this isn't obvious. Last month tho you said:

"but other ngTLDs will turn out to be nothing more than a fad."

Now, you said "but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions as long as they have got premium keyword domains that would help them in google rankings."

You saw a few random sales posted? Understand, there are about 26 million or so new gtlds, there will be some decent sales popping up here and there.

 

[MapleDots]

Now, you said "but the recent sales suggest that businesses don't care about extensions

HERE IS WHY THEY NEED TO CARE

Notice what they had to do for email?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

In 95%+ of cases - all these anti-nTLD opinions are from those who has 0-20 nTLD domains.
In other words - doesn't have any real experience in this kind of investments.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

I'll start. I jumped on the .vip bandwagon when it first dropped. I remember picking up "lounge.vip" which was appraised for several thousand by several members. Of course, stupid me, I hung onto it....'til the end.....the very end....as in $5 end. FML.

Your turn!

Actually none have failed me, but I failed them by not exposing them and marketing them to "end users" like they deserve to be. Take for example the following names I spent a hundred dollars total to own;

Afinity.homes
Intel.homes
Diva.homes
Omni.homes
Sonoma.homes
Patriot.homes
Spectra.homes
Johnson.homes
Shamrock.homes
eGreen.homes

Here is where I failed these names knowing damn well they're worth to realtors and builders. First off, I challenge anyone to tell me why these names aren't good names for the industry they're meant to represent. Second, I challenge anyone to tell me how "end users" even know these names exist. For the record, each of these names is valued at around $1,500 each, thus I paid $100 for a portfolio of domains that is valued at 150K. Are you starting to get the picture? What I do know is, these names are worth every cent of their appraised value "if" marketed to the right "end users". As a point of information, does anyone reading this have a clue how many builders/realtors in the world have a last name Johnson? If you don't care, you should probably look for another job imho.

Good post Tin Nguyen...it brought out the worst best in me

 

[Tewksbury]

Haha, share with us your best example of how .app was good to you?

Every dot app domain name is included in the HSTS preload list of all major web browsers. Dot com domain names are not. This makes every .app domain name SAFER and FASTER than legacy gTLDs and every other domain name not in the preload.

.app domain names are backed and managed by Google, the same company that dominates in mobile, search, geo/maps, web browser, online advertising, AI/ML, etc.

People understand and use apps everyday.

Most native #apps are no longer financially justifiable, having been disrupted by web services delivered via progressive web app. Dot app gTLD is the obvious -dare I say perfect- TLD extension for PWAs.

Dot .app is less than two years old. It's still possible to find great .app domain names. As PWAs displace responsive web sites and as people learn more about .app domain names, registrations and aftermarket values will likely increase, significantly.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

ANY domain can be added into HSTS preload: https://hstspreload.org
This is not a big problem.

 

[Josh R]

Actually none have failed me, but I failed them by not exposing them and marketing them to "end users" like they deserve to be. Take for example the following names I spent a hundred dollars total to own;

Afinity.homes
Intel.homes
Diva.homes
Omni.homes
Sonoma.homes
Patriot.homes
Spectra.homes
Johnson.homes
Shamrock.homes
eGreen.homes

Here is where I failed these names knowing damn well they're worth to realtors and builders. First off, I challenge anyone to tell me why these names aren't good names for the industry they're meant to represent. Second, I challenge anyone to tell me how "end users" even know these names exist. For the record, each of these names is valued at around $1,500 each, thus I paid $100 for a portfolio of domains that is valued at 150K. Are you starting to get the picture? What I do know is, these names are worth every cent of their appraised value "if" marketed to the right "end users". As a point of information, does anyone reading this have a clue how many builders/realtors in the world have a last name Johnson? If you don't care, you should probably look for another job imho.

Good post Tin Nguyen...it brought out the worst best in me

I'm starting to get the picture.

 

[artstar]

stay away from numerics as its a waste of $ now in any tld and reg anything in .com .co .net .org only imo the rest are just a MAJOR crapshoot unless u have superior a short dictionary 1 worder. like my.life or similar

numerics are used to redirect to main sites mainly online casinos used them and now its a thing of the past.

find new tech, trends and reg .coms only if possible. stay away from brands and household known names.

buy 1 at a time dont go nuts. be cool fool

 

[Brands.International]

Guys.. we are still in the same decade as the new G release. And already you look at failure as an option. And not even a decade, most in the last 5 years,

What were your expectations, exactly?
Was there some sort of deadline set in place, to make or break?
Has there been consideration given to a completely different adoption model than what we are used to?
What is your definition of success vs failure? Is there a blueprint for this?

Again. Patience and education. Since when is that a failure? Seems to me those are key to a successful future. But maybe too much to ask in this generation of want it, want it now.

There were people and there still are that worked very hard, gave their entire life day in and day out for years and years to make .com what it is today. Do you think it happened on its own? It's not like registries come out with these new extensions and the world all of a sudden knows about them, and all the legacy investors and business owners are going to be on board all tickety-boo, its going to take the same grit and determination from years past to bring these new guys as real contenders in the domain name arena.

Look, if its not for you its not for you. But I really would rather see this "failure" conversion happening at least a decade or two after the fact, not a year after regging a name, renewals come around and oh no I haven't sold. Keep that mentality for throwaway .coms, easy come easy go. If you look at anyone of us who are vested in new Gs and do research here on NP, there have never been any misgivings about them being quick flips or short term opportunities.

Personally I'm happy with the slow and steady rise we're seeing, it hasn't exploded but that's fine, nothing wrong either with investing/using decent legacy's or ccTLDs which are tried, tested and true. The learning curve with the new GTDs is not an easy one, I tell you not a month goes by when I re-evaluate or re-think that particular end of my portfolio.

100% words of wisdom imo. Although I doubt some people here will ever understand it

 

[wwwweb]

What people don't realize with GTLD's is that this is not a new thing we have the data from .travel .biz .info .mobi if launched in 2015 all of these above extensions would have had incredible buying hype, and would be considered top tier with the obvious premiums. The only thing is I can buy a one word .biz for $1xx, same with .info, .mobi, etc...

This does not mean GTLD's will not have that random top tier sale we tend to see from time to time, people do think outside the box, but to carry a diverse portfolio to find this out at this point when the extensions are not spending marketing dollars educationg consumers, nor is there any media buzz anymore as their once was when they first launched. Not to account that when these premiums expire the registries are simply reserving them, and putting a premium price on them essentially becoming the domainer. So really what can you do other than to try to hit hot trending names, and topics, or sell off your good inventory, being careful not to spend it carrying dead inventory.

Any invested gtld owner if they are honest will tell you gtld inquires are down from 2014 2015 2016.... with the last batch of releases if you want to own solid terms you had to pay high EAP, or you have to continue to pay high premiums. Donuts was the most fair operator, and now under previous ICANN management they are raising prices, and really sticking it to domain holders who own larger portfolios.

There will be people who continue to hit these one off sales, and registries will still report those big sales from their platinum portfolio, but you have to be realistic are those odds in your favor, or against you?

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

All 13 nTLDs I sold as of today - were regular domains regged in ~$1-7.17 range or even for $0.
$1K+ per domain on average and sold within 1st year inbound, I didn't renew anything.

Regarding inquiries volume...
It is definitely higher this year comparing to previous years, except Q3/2019 - it is really bad.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Regarding premiums - I had a few, was silence on them.
So regular mode is preferred for me, no luck with premiums.

 

[ThatNameGuy]

100% words of wisdom imo. Although I doubt some people here will ever understand it

That's true.... typical domainers don't understand marketing and couldn't sell new gTLD's to "end users" if their lives depended on it. The average "end user" hasn't a clue about these new extensions, but I've noticed millennials and Gen Z are just starting to catch on

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

And regarding .travel - it is non-restricted just last few years...
And renewal fee remains the same as it was always: ~$100