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What gTLD failed you? For example, you stocked up for nothing.

Labeled as discuss in gTLD Discussion started by Tin Nguyen, Oct 18, 2019.

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  1. wwwweb

    wwwweb Top Member VIP ★★★★★★★★★★

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    What people don't realize with GTLD's is that this is not a new thing we have the data from .travel .biz .info .mobi if launched in 2015 all of these above extensions would have had incredible buying hype, and would be considered top tier with the obvious premiums. The only thing is I can buy a one word .biz for $1xx, same with .info, .mobi, etc...

    This does not mean GTLD's will not have that random top tier sale we tend to see from time to time, people do think outside the box, but to carry a diverse portfolio to find this out at this point when the extensions are not spending marketing dollars educationg consumers, nor is there any media buzz anymore as their once was when they first launched. Not to account that when these premiums expire the registries are simply reserving them, and putting a premium price on them essentially becoming the domainer. So really what can you do other than to try to hit hot trending names, and topics, or sell off your good inventory, being careful not to spend it carrying dead inventory.

    Any invested gtld owner if they are honest will tell you gtld inquires are down from 2014 2015 2016.... with the last batch of releases if you want to own solid terms you had to pay high EAP, or you have to continue to pay high premiums. Donuts was the most fair operator, and now under previous ICANN management they are raising prices, and really sticking it to domain holders who own larger portfolios.

    There will be people who continue to hit these one off sales, and registries will still report those big sales from their platinum portfolio, but you have to be realistic are those odds in your favor, or against you?
     
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  2. Jurgen Wolf

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    All 13 nTLDs I sold as of today - were regular domains regged in ~$1-7.17 range or even for $0.
    $1K+ per domain on average and sold within 1st year inbound, I didn't renew anything.

    Regarding inquiries volume...
    It is definitely higher this year comparing to previous years, except Q3/2019 - it is really bad.
     
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  3. Jurgen Wolf

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    Regarding premiums - I had a few, was silence on them.
    So regular mode is preferred for me, no luck with premiums.
     
  4. ThatNameGuy

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    That's true.... typical domainers don't understand marketing and couldn't sell new gTLD's to "end users" if their lives depended on it. The average "end user" hasn't a clue about these new extensions, but I've noticed millennials and Gen Z are just starting to catch on(y)
     
  5. Jurgen Wolf

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    And regarding .travel - it is non-restricted just last few years...
    And renewal fee remains the same as it was always: ~$100
     
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  7. wwwweb

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    For a business who is set on a set name, $100 renewal is not a make or break moment, I believe .gold is the same cost.

    dskdkd.gold is available
    $99.88
    Renewal $99.88 for 1 year
     
  8. Jurgen Wolf

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    I'm talking about domainers...
    $100 yearly per domain for most domainers is not suitable model.
     
  9. wwwweb

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    You are an experienced domainer, not a newbie who is just throwing money at anything with a pulse, certain keywords, certain trends, and a bit of luck all come into play. Like I said many people will think outside the box when it comes to gtld's, but doesn't always mean they will pay an aftermarket price, rather than choose an alt extension for reg fee. It takes either a very cheaply acquired which would mean early rounds of donuts portfolio, or if you got a chance to cherry pick when donuts let their reserve list loose a few years back type of names to really get some decent sales. Otherwise it is just a grind, with the $15-$40 type renewals on a lower sell thru rate portfolio you are just working for the registries.
     
  10. wwwweb

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    Many domainers paid as much as $1000 for .coach .marketing, the better donuts names were not uncommon at the $100-$500 ranges also, with a good chunk sitting in the $250 premium renewal tag.

    Phil Harris, Mike Berkens, Chad Wright etc... these were heavy players in the early rounds.

    There is another guy here Fancy.Domains he is very good at what he does in the gtld space also with the lower level type names, haven't seen him around in a while though.

    If people want to play in this space, the registries first go to tag for premium is past .com sales, and then keyword search results etc... if you have private sales you have an advantage, but like I found out I could sell a KeywordExtension.com for 5 figures, and turn around, and offer the Keyword.Extension for $500-$1000, and they don't want it, they essentially say why do we need it now, so be it?
     
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  11. Brands.International

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    I do not agree with you. I am invested gtld owner and I can tell you (honestly) that gtld inquiries are up, comparing to 2014, 2015 and 2016... now this is my experience from my own porfolio of 1000 plus new gTLD names, I can not really much comment on your experience as it is unknown what you do hold, how many of them you hold, etc...

    Regarding as you wrote "continuing to pay high premiums", it really depends on how you structured your porftolio initially. I have some of the best names, and my renewals are funny - for most of my names I pay less then what is the standard renewal of .com name!
    I have only few names (maybe 10-15) where I pay $30-$120/name, the rest, 99%, is between $4-$20 renewal fee range. Such renewals are peanuts, considering the quality of the names. If you visit my website, you will have renewal fees wich I pay directly stated for each extension I invest in .. so there are no secrets, all is very transparent.

    The myth about high renewals of new gTLDs is something what really only people who do not study them in detail can believe - sure, there are so many new gTLD names available with high renewal fees, but our main task (as domain investors) is to get great names with LOW renewal fee. This is the art. Everyone can get great new gTLD names with HIGH renewal fees and then complain, this is not that difficult :) Just imo.
     
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  12. Jurgen Wolf

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    Yes, when your available capital earned previously with .COMs is in 6/7F range - you may burn your money on various Donuts premiums...
     
  13. Jurgen Wolf

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    In my country as of 2019 - nTLDs are not rare even in TV ads...
     
  14. BaileyUK

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    So much 'self-interest' hype posts around all the new stuff. I probably done the same about .Net around 2002/3. The real measure is how many do you see out there in 'The Wild' being used, and actively promoted. Sure there's bound to be some pointers , but if those 25 million registrations are to believed, No wonder we have endless sales bullsh*t talk.

    I love all this enquires are up stuff . 5 sales to-date etc etc. Interesting there's No actual factual data, Domain name, sales price - Do you see that with .com posts - No

    I do feel for you guys, making up for the Wind that the market isn't creating. Wish I'd learnt my own lesson early on with .Net in the early 2000's when it really was the only second choice that everyone (the real market) more or less still chose to ignore.

    Don't worry about the 'probable' hard-work and 5 year time-line to date - it's all downhill to year 25
     
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  15. JB Lions

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    Or some people are wise enough to see marketing for what it is. When these came out, it was wait 4 or 5 years. We're in year 6, now it's wait 2 decades, 20 years. Again, overall reg numbers leveling off, overall reported sales, lower than previous 2 years. When somebody says they're rising, what exactly is that referring to? Stuff like:

    Few things. First, inquiries are not sales. Nobody knows if that is a true statement or not. Those inquires could be $20 inquiries for all we know.

    A lot of what is being posted is not based on facts or the current stats/information at hand. It's hopefully 10 or 20 years from now, things will take off. But there is nothing in the overall stats even hinting at that.

    while I was typing this out @BaileyUK posting about the same thing.
     
  16. Jurgen Wolf

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    @BaileyUK
    Exclusively for you, just 1 my most recent .online example: consultations - sold for $1.7K
    Taken for $0 at 1and1.
     
  17. BaileyUK

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    nice one out of 25 million, And yes I know there's a few more,
     
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  18. Jurgen Wolf

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    GoDaddy broker contacted me via Bodis form.
     
  19. newbie191

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    I bought about a couple dozen 4L .nets when 4L .coms were going up. But 4L .coms also came down and nobody wanted to buy 4L .nets.
     
  20. wwwweb

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    Chinese hype machine before the intro of crypto, did they really care about domains, or were they using the chip system for a monetary medium?
     
  21. Jurgen Wolf

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    I could sell at least 2x more nTLDs... but I usually reject all buyers in $100-300 category.
     
  22. BaileyUK

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    This reads as honesty with those figures (offers) exposed as a 2X low sale

    Jurgen Sure your definitely more than a couple of inches smarter than the average Domainer. Now take retrospective look at the new tld sales market in general and then deliver your opinion on New tlds as an investment. I trust your opinion to open up eyes for the average joe bloggs domainer and not hype the market
     
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    Have held a .clothing for the past year
    Bought 6 months ago when I got into DN trading and GD appraisal said $4,000+
    It's 4,000% worthless...
     
  24. Jurgen Wolf

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    I already said above...
    I did $13K+ in nTLD sales with non-special domains and I plan to continue...
     
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  25. Jurgen Wolf

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    Money is almost everywhere.
    Only conversion ratio differs.
     

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