.us .US - The OFFICIAL Discussion, Showcase and Sales Report Thread

[slaughterbeck]

It appears the domain industry has been starting to take notice of the .us namespace over the past year, read DnJournal.com .us growth and Namepros with even greater expectations for the year to come.

So I thought it would be a good idea to ask everyone to show us your .us domain names. You can post your favorites or your entire portfolio.

 

[forge]

No no, I am showcasing their domain.

So then metro.us is not yours?

It might be nice to add some explanation of your listing/post.

 

[Dream Domains]

Metro.us is a newspaper, not mine.

 

[Adidotcom]

Herba.us

 

[jagdotme]

Sold OBD(.)us $500 ( Enduser )

 

[Kenny]

Sold OBD(.)us $500 ( Enduser )

Nice hit!
Could you share some details?
Was that your ask price?
Inbound / outbound etc.?

Thank you.

Peace,
Kenny

Oh, I see it was at UD.
Was there any negotiation?

 

[jagdotme]

Nice hit!
Could you share some details?
Was that your ask price?
Inbound / outbound etc.?

Thank you.

Peace,
Kenny

Oh, I see it was at UD.
Was there any negotiation?

At the time, no price was listed. Inbound offer come in and accepted with no negotiation via UD.

 

[Kenny]

At the time, no price was listed. Inbound offer come in and accepted with no negotiation via UD.

Sweet! Quick Holiday cash.

Congratz.

Peace,
Kenny

 

[jagdotme]

Sweet! Quick Holiday cash.

Congratz.

Peace,
Kenny

Thank you, still got another 501 3L's to go

 

[dna]

I just sold wino(.)us for $400.
Offer came thru Godaddy so I have no idea who bought it.
I accepted the first offer.
I had no asking price as I didn't have it listed for sale.
I believe that I was the first person to register it.
I have held it for over 10 years.

 

[ecomslice]

congrats on sales all.

does anyone know of a branding site that accepts .us ? . I have a couple nice hacks.

 

[Jv1999]

I just sold wino(.)us for $400.
Offer came thru Godaddy so I have no idea who bought it.
I accepted the first offer.
I had no asking price as I didn't have it listed for sale.
I believe that I was the first person to register it.
I have held it for over 10 years.

I'm curious, but, after 10 years, what would you say the average % of a competent portfolio ends up selling? The agreed annual sail rate is 1%. But I'm curious if at 10 years, the overall renewed domains have a 50% chance of sailing.

 

[kemjika11]

I'm curious, but, after 10 years, what would you say the average % of a competent portfolio ends up selling? The agreed annual sail rate is 1%. But I'm curious if at 10 years, the overall renewed domains have a 50% chance of sailing.

Tbh, regarding this "1% average annual sale rate of a portfolio", i think thats incorrect IF you hold the right types of/in demand names. If any of us owned 100 LLL.coms does this mean we would only be able to sell 1 a year? i dont think so.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

The 1% (or something within a factor of maybe 2 or 3 of that) is I think valid as an industry wide total if you are only counting sales of say abve $100 or $200.

Clearly some names at some prices can sell easily with a 100% ratio. Similarly some poor names will never sell. The 1% is expected as an industry wide average, not the figure for any individual portfolio.

I think the 1% is a reasonable number to use if you have moderate skill in finding names on drop or missed gem hand regs or find great across the dot match ngTLD names. Those with big portfolio can of course after a few years compute their own ratio that will be valid to their expertise, name picking style, pricing, and marketing/promotion skills.

If your figure is about 1%, then you need to average about $1000 per sold name to break even, assuming that you are investing in names with a $10 renewal fee. I think the 1% figure is a useful reminder of how tough it is to even break even in this business. I suspect that only those who do better than average even break even.

For those not at NamesCon, Paul Nicks used the 1% figure in his model which was based on an investor buying names at auction/closeout/BIN at average prices (I forget precisely but about $75-$100) and then selling them at prices in $2500 to $3500 range to retail customers.

In my model (Is Domain Investing Even Profitable?) published a few months ago at NameTalent I used 1/73 probability based on best estimates of for sale and sold numbers, although also assumed lower selling prices than in Paul's model.

Bob

 

[stevo]

There are many considerations/theories to owning a domain portfolio. If you hold quality domains - it would be foolish to sell any at an extreme discount in order to boost sales numbers. But, who is to say that today's discount pricing doesn't match next years value? Trends come and go. This is a funny business and domain value is perception driven many times. Today's domain darlings could be tomorrow's duds. The opposite is also possible.
So numerous discounted sales could equal a decent sale money-wise. There is no absolute answer and no guarantees to where you invest your domain money. I equate it to walking along the beach and picking up rocks. Sometimes someone picks up an unpolished diamond. Just don't fill your pockets with too many rocks!

 

[Jv1999]

The 1% (or something within a factor of maybe 2 or 3 of that) is I think valid as an industry wide total if you are only counting sales of say abve $100 or $200.

Clearly some names at some prices can sell easily with a 100% ratio. Similarly some poor names will never sell. The 1% is expected as an industry wide average, not the figure for any individual portfolio.

I think the 1% is a reasonable number to use if you have moderate skill in finding names on drop or missed gem hand regs or find great across the dot match ngTLD names. Those with big portfolio can of course after a few years compute their own ratio that will be valid to their expertise, name picking style, pricing, and marketing/promotion skills.

If your figure is about 1%, then you need to average about $1000 per sold name to break even, assuming that you are investing in names with a $10 renewal fee. I think the 1% figure is a useful reminder of how tough it is to even break even in this business. I suspect that only those who do better than average even break even.

For those not at NamesCon, Paul Nicks used the 1% figure in his model which was based on an investor buying names at auction/closeout/BIN at average prices (I forget precisely but about $75-$100) and then selling them at prices in $2500 to $3500 range to retail customers.

In my model (Is Domain Investing Even Profitable?) published a few months ago at NameTalent I used 1/73 probability based on best estimates of for sale and sold numbers, although also assumed lower selling prices than in Paul's model.

Bob

So what happened with Paul Nicks? Did he actually test his model and bought domains for $75 to $100, then sold them for $3k, and what was his % after year 1, year 2... etc.?

 

[Jv1999]

Tbh, regarding this "1% average annual sale rate of a portfolio", i think thats incorrect IF you hold the right types of/in demand names. If any of us owned 100 LLL.coms does this mean we would only be able to sell 1 a year? i dont think so.

Right, no. I'm seeing lots of 4Ls selling for lower than people bought them. (which means just because you have a 3L or 4L, doesn't mean that you're immune from 1% rule) I'm not really asking about higher-quality portfolios because even if you have 1000 domains that are worth minimum $5,000 each, then it having a 1% sail rate is okay because you're making way above the renewal price.

but dna was holding weird domains like wino.us and sailing for $400.. and he/she seemed comfortable with doing so. That intrigued me because if he only had a 1% rate each year, then he couldn't be sailing for only $400 to make up for renewals.

That led to the guess conclusion that after 10 years his sail rate must be over 1% in order to be able to sail at $400 and still be happy.

 

[Armageddon]

My BEST 100 .US are for sale: Lie.us,iCasino.us,Wait.us,Exit.us & more..
https://www.namepros.com/threads/my...e-us-icasino-us-wait-us-exit-us-more.1122599/

 

[Bob Hawkes]

So what happened with Paul Nicks? Did he actually test his model and bought domains for $75 to $100, then sold them for $3k, and what was his % after year 1, year 2... etc.?

It was a model, not based on his or anyone's experience. I presume he had some basis for the 1%.

In broad measures the model would go like this (round numbers for simplicity). These are NOT his exact numbers but to show the idea of the model.

Year 1 You buy 1000 domains at $50 each.
You sell 10 domains at $3000 each.
You lose $24,500 (depends on your selling costs - I assume about 15%)

Year 2 you buy another 1000 domains at $50 each
You have 1990 domains (990 from first year, another 1000 new)
You sell 20 domains (1%) in year 2 at $3000 average each.
You pay about $10,000 in renewals.
In this year you lose just under $1000.

I didn't include anything for other costs in my simplified model.

In his model, with I think a bit higher prices for buying, you break even after year 3, and make something like $90,000 'salary' by year 6. You also end up with a very large portfolio, and would need to work full time just to manage it, which was the idea off his model.

Of curse GD (or whoever you pay your renewal costs, selling costs, auction/dropcatch costs, etc. to) make money from your investment every year!

Bob

 

[Jv1999]

It was a model, not based on his or anyone's experience. I presume he had some basis for the 1%.

In broad measures the model would go like this (round numbers for simplicity). These are NOT his exact numbers but to show the idea of the model.

Year 1 You buy 1000 domains at $50 each.
You sell 10 domains at $3000 each.
You lose $24,500 (depends on your selling costs - I assume about 15%)

Year 2 you buy another 1000 domains at $50 each
You have 1990 domains (990 from first year, another 1000 new)
You sell 20 domains (1%) in year 2 at $3000 average each.
You pay about $10,000 in renewals.
In this year you lose just under $1000.

I didn't include anything for other costs in my simplified model.

In his model, with I think a bit higher prices for buying, you break even after year 3, and make something like $90,000 'salary' by year 6. You also end up with a very large portfolio, and would need to work full time just to manage it, which was the idea off his model.

Of curse GD (or whoever you pay your renewal costs, selling costs, auction/dropcatch costs, etc. to) make money from your investment every year!

Bob

Oh, so he's simply building a higher quality portfolio over time. yah, sailing for 3k at 1% is profitable when all you pay is renewal.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

It is obvious, but would point out that to break even if the rate is

• 1%, you need to NET (i.e. gross price minus commissions, payout etc. minus acquisition) make 100x your annual holding cost on the domain - e.g. 100 *$10
• 2%, you need to NET (i.e. gross price minus commissions, payout etc. minus acquisition) make 50x your annual holding cost on the domain

etc.