Unreasonable seller

[doiz]

There's this domain that I want to buy but the seller is simply unresonable. His asking price is too high and he refuses to give a proper justification to his asking price. The domain doesn't get any traffic, it doesn't generate any revenue, it's not even a premium domain. He just keeps saying that "someone" offered 10 grand for it and so that's his selling price. I'm thinking of just trademarking it and prying the name from him. It's not a generic nor a dictionary name; it's perfectly unique so I'm pretty confident that it can be trademarked. I'd rather spend my money on doing that than giving it to him since he's so unreasonable and annoying, and I'm thinking of using the name for my business anyhow. Will I be able to get the domain that way or not?

 

[Fka200]

No. He would have reg'd it before your trademark.

 

[bliss]

I'm thinking of just trademarking it and prying the name from him.

That is pretty underhanded of you to do. Also, add to the fact that the domain is already registered and there is not much you can do if you get a trademark after a domain is registered by a person.

If you feel it is unreasonable then just walk away. If you really really want the domain then buy it for that unreasonable amount.

 

[RJ]

Will I be able to get the domain that way or not?

Not a chance. Since his registration predates your future trademark, you're SOL. There's nothing you can do at this point except find another name that suits you.

 

[namenut]

Not a chance. Since his registration predates your future trademark, you're SOL. There's nothing you can do at this point except find another name that suits you.

That and maybe change your thought process. You would rather try to take it from him and you posted the idea on a public forum.....hhmmmmm nice.

namenut

 

[RJ]

That and maybe change your thought process. You would rather try to take it from him and you posted the idea on a public forum.....hhmmmmm nice.

Word. On a public forum of domain owners at that.

 

[newton]

Either stump up the cash and buy it or move on to another name.

 

[briman1970]

I agree with everyone here. It's a pretty shitty way of thinking, even though you don't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting the name that way.

 

[sdtrader]

Don't want to sound like an echo but I am curious if you feel you have a right to this name at the price you want to pay?
It is his domain.

 

[bliss]

His asking price is too high and he refuses to give a proper justification to his asking price.

Simply put the justification is because you (someone) wants it. I have a slew of domains that I would sale dirt cheap until someone wants it. Like the person above me said, it's thier domain, you can not like it all you want, but they can set the asking price to what they want and not have a valid reason at all. That is life, move on if you don't want to pay the asking price. I am sure you can find some other TLD/ ccTLD with that name.

 

[Dave_Z]

he refuses to give a proper justification to his asking price.

You realize the person in question doesn't even have to reply to you at all in
the first place, right? Because if that's the case, then why should s/he have
to justify him/herself to you?

Domain names were not intentionally meant to become commodities. But now
that they are, they're fair game just like any other product or service we pay
with our hard-earned money.

And why spend money on something (getting a trademark that is) that has no
guarantee whatsoever you'll get what you want? If you didn't know, that sort
of thing is called "reverse domain name hijacking" (just google it).

If you attempt it, it could backfire. And there goes your hard-earned dough.

And don't forget one of the oldest and earliest rules of domain names: they're
first come, first served. The first to obtain it can do anything as s/he pleases
as long as s/he doesn't break any applicable rule or law.

While I guess what I'm going to ask of you is perhaps too much, try to spend
a little more time learning and understanding issues involving domain names.
By then, you might appreciate them a little more and know how to approach
them a wee bit wiser.

Try to give this more thought, especially if the shoe's on the other foot. You
might be surprised.

 

[Jasdon]

doiz, you've been a member here for nearly 3 years - havn't you learnt anything?

You wouldn't have a chance (as everyone above has said) of getting it the way you suggest. You would have to prove registration in bad faith - how could you do that?

If you came off to the owner like you did in you're initial post, he probably stuck at least one zero on the end...

 

[Mark]

Well - I was going to Voice my Opinion ..... But it's Been said enough already













I've said it before and I'll say it again - It's No one's business WHAT Price a "Owner" places on their own Domain Except them. Nothing bugs me more than this type thinking .... I bust people for Sales Crashing over this all the time - Someone is asking a certain price for a domain and some Joker pops up and posts "It's not worth that much" Well ..... Expect a warning for it everytime from me It doesnt matter if it is a free .Tk domain ..... If the owner wishes to ask 1,000,000 $ - It's their choice.


This case is even worse really - Threatening to try to obtain the domain through legal channels just because they wont sell to you for a LowBall Offer ? Don't expect any MOTM nominations this way ..........

 

[goodkarmaco]

Well one thing for sure, it is one sided as all are in agreement that the owner is in charge. But at least you asked the advice and you can take advantage of its wisdom. That way you will save much money and effort.

Its true we can get caught up in our goals and get mad about things not going our way. True character is formed when things are going against us.

Its possible the name will find its way to you. Get creative.

I have one idea. Tell him how you felt, that you thought he was way over priced on it. That was upsetting for you as you wanted to develope it. Let him know now you have had time to think it over.

Now you want him to know you admire him for not selling out for what he believes in. Mention you were just anxious to get the name but lack the funds he desires. Its because you want to use the name for a site that you have a vision for. Mention in closing that if he ever decides to let it go for a lesser price that you will hope he contacts you.

When taking the easy way is flashing at us like a Casino sign, its important to choose what to do wisely.

Only one outcome matters, having business ethics in your domain business. Doing that will bring the most success eventually. You have reinforced in us the need to be professional.

Thanks for your post. Who knows he might drop his price if he realizes others see he has a great and valuable domain.

 

[doiz]

I have one idea. Tell him how you felt, that you thought he was way over priced on it. That was upsetting for you as you wanted to develope it. Let him know now you have had time to think it over.

I already did that. We've been negotiating the price for months already and I'm just getting frustrated. *pulls hair out*

Like you all probably already figured out, I'm not familiar with domains, that's why I asked. I was just thinking that maybe I could kill two birds with one stone, since as mentioned, I'm going to use the name for my business. It's growing quite a bit and I'm incorporating it soon. *sigh* The .net and .org sellers were pretty reasonable too, it's just this .com that's so hard to talk to. And his english isn't even that understandable. Grr, so frustrating. Oh well, thanks for all the feedback.

 

[Spade]

Doiz -

How far apart are you on the negotiations? Is he demanding 10k and your comming to the table with $500 bucks? Without knowing further what the domain name is, theres is little way that we could value this name to see if your assumption that the name is not worth 10k is true. But the problem is that you have basically told the owner of the domain name that you must have it, this makes it more valuable. The fact that you keep comming after the domain - means unquestionably its worth a lot. Best of luck - but it sounds like your going to end up paying if you want this name.

Justin

 

[slugraduate]

Can you blame the youngsters these days? It's the American way according to what they have grown up with. If you don't give me what I want, I will just take from you. After all, it isn't fair that you've gotten it before I have.

There's this domain that I want to buy but the seller is simply unresonable. His asking price is too high and he refuses to give a proper justification to his asking price. The domain doesn't get any traffic, it doesn't generate any revenue, it's not even a premium domain. He just keeps saying that "someone" offered 10 grand for it and so that's his selling price. I'm thinking of just trademarking it and prying the name from him. It's not a generic nor a dictionary name; it's perfectly unique so I'm pretty confident that it can be trademarked. I'd rather spend my money on doing that than giving it to him since he's so unreasonable and annoying, and I'm thinking of using the name for my business anyhow. Will I be able to get the domain that way or not?

 

[dna]

If he values his domain highly maybe he values other names highly too.
You might try to do some sort of name trade.

 

[dom35]

A .com can be bought by anyone from any country and any language. You want (may be "need" is the right word) the domain and it is your job to try to contact and reach the other part in the best possible way. Why he must to speak well Your native language ? do you speak other "foreign" languages or the language of the person that have the wisdom to register the domain that you need ?.

Please try to be more human, recognize that you really need the domain and if that person was wise enought to register "your" domain, may be it is also wise enought to get more money of it, just in case that is in the domains business. If it is just in a "real" business, it will just value the domain in the money that can get using it. If you need it, better try to pay now than try to buy it later at a even higher price. If you not need it, look for another domain.

But using reverse hijacking it is not the way to follow.

"And his english isn't even that understandable. Grr, so frustrating. Oh well, thanks for all the feedback.

 

[TestCase]

It's the American way according to what they have grown up with. If you don't give me what I want, I will just take from you. After all, it isn't fair that you've gotten it before I have.

HAHAHAAAA... Sooo true!!! </Begin Rant>And every year this mentality of "automatic entitlement" becomes more ingrained and spreads ever further. Sigh...</End Rant>

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread...

A .com can be bought by anyone from any country and any language. You want (may be "need" is the right word) the domain and it is your job to try to contact and reach the other part in the best possible way. Why he must to speak well Your native language ? do you speak other "foreign" languages or the language of the person that have the wisdom to register the domain that you need ?.

Please try to be more human, recognize that you really need the domain and if that person was wise enought to register "your" domain, may be it is also wise enought to get more money of it, just in case that is in the domains business. If it is just in a "real" business, it will just value the domain in the money that can get using it. If you need it, better try to pay now than try to buy it later at a even higher price. If you not need it, look for another domain.

Yeah! What Dom35 said...

You either need to let it go and find another domain you can live with, or suck it up and pay the price the seller wants. Heck, maybe if you did back off of it for a couple of months, the seller might come back with an offer that might seem more reasonable to you.

As of right now though, he KNOWS you REALLY want the dn -- and THAT puts him in the driver's seat no matter WHAT his nationality is or what YOU want to pay or think the name is worth.