Undeveloped.com Experience

[JudgeMind]

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

I had not known bout gtmetrix (thank you @joro001 - I learn something new every day here!) before so I tried it with your site @alcy from old Mac desktop (most up to date Chrome) in western Canada with high speed home Internet via WiFi. It indicates 6.7 s for full load, but the page certainly seems to me to load faster. I presume it is the meaning of full that must explain how both can be right.

For comparison I tried a couple of other sites to see what it told me. For my own (NamesThat.win) site that runs on a SSD but in shared hosting service it gives 4.4 s, for NameBio main page it gives 2.0 s, for NamePros main page it gives 5.3 s, for one of my (redirected) individual landers on Undeveloped (robotics.gdn) it gave me 6.5 s (similar to your page) and for my Efty marketplace at Frugal.bid (not an individual lander page) it gives 3.3 s.

I think the @Undeveloped have indicated that some landers take longer for example if you have activated the graph of number of visits the domain name has had. I am not sure what other factors affect it. I would just say that to me, both when I use a Mac computer and an iPad, it certainly seems to me that Undeveloped pages load fast enough, and much faster than these numbers from GTMetrix.

Not sure if any of this is helpful, and will leave it to you more technically adept people to interpret meaning.

 

[alcy]

According to gtmetrix it loads in over 6 seconds (desktop not mobile though):
https://gtmetrix.com/reports/www.9u.io/QVUfRzDa

I have been emailing undeveloped about page loading times and they said pingdom shows it loading in around 1 second or so whereas my experience is with ssl landing pages it takes around 5-6 seconds for the page to load completely on average which is not good. When I test my page manually it does take a while for the pages to fully load for me as well it's not just gtmetrix.
As a comparison gtmetrix says efty takes around 2-3 seconds to load fully, afternic landers similar so i believe they are accurate overall.

I know undeveloped will likely say gtmetrix is wrong but I don't think they are here, the pages could do with loading mush faster overall in particular ssl landing pages.

thanks

so maybe it isn't the goood ol mcdonald after all

I do know undeveloped has been working on reducing load times in past.. cause the support guy told me so by email.. so its easy to conclude that they had issues.. question is.. are they solved now or not.. I guess the reports are mixed.

obviously, the last thing you want on a sale lander.. is long load time. otherwise buyer just closes window thinking there is error and moves on... annd there goes your sale.. or potential of it.

 

[joro001]

I had not known bout gtmetrix (thank you @joro001 - I learn something new every day here!) before so I tried it with your site @alcy from old Mac desktop (most up to date Chrome) in western Canada with high speed home Internet via WiFi. It indicates 6.7 s for full load, but the page certainly seems to me to load faster. I presume it is the meaning of full that must explain how both can be right.

For comparison I tried a couple of other sites to see what it told me. For my own (NamesThat.win) site that runs on a SSD but in shared hosting service it gives 4.4 s, for NameBio main page it gives 2.0 s, for NamePros main page it gives 5.3 s, for one of my (redirected) individual landers on Undeveloped (robotics.gdn) it gave me 6.5 s (similar to your page) and for my Efty marketplace at Frugal.bid (not an individual lander page) it gives 3.3 s.

I think the @Undeveloped have indicated that some landers take longer for example if you have activated the graph of number of visits the domain name has had. I am not sure what other factors affect it. I would just say that to me, both when I use a Mac computer and an iPad, it certainly seems to me that Undeveloped pages load fast enough, and much faster than these numbers from GTMetrix.

Not sure if any of this is helpful, and will leave it to you more technically adept people to interpret meaning.

thanks

so maybe it isn't the goood ol mcdonald after all

I do know undeveloped has been working on reducing load times in past.. cause the support guy told me so by email.. so its easy to conclude that they had issues.. question is.. are they solved now or not.. I guess the reports are mixed.

obviously, the last thing you want on a sale lander.. is long load time. otherwise buyer just closes window thinking there is error and moves on... annd there goes your sale.. or potential of it.

Thanks for this. From my understanding gtmetrix measures it by when the page has fully loaded all scripts on the page which would include the reviews at the top right of the undeveloped page, the redirect to ssl, traffic graphs etc. (could be wrong just think this is the case).

So it would make sense that the more info you have on your undeveloped page the longer it will take to fully load them. however, 6 seconds or even 4 or 5 is simply too slow for my liking (love the landing pages otherwise by the way). This must be improved IMO.

 

[alcy]

Thanks for this. From my understanding gtmetrix measures it by when the page has fully loaded all scripts on the page which would include the reviews at the top right of the undeveloped page, the redirect to ssl, traffic graphs etc. (could be wrong just think this is the case).

So it would make sense that the more info you have on your undeveloped page the longer it will take to fully load them. however, 6 seconds or even 4 or 5 is simply too slow for my liking (love the landing pages otherwise by the way). This must be improved IMO.

yes... 6-10 seconds is too long.

well.. I guess I'll begin by removing my background pic.. see if that helps. too bad.. it was nice one hahah

 

[DAN.COM]

Regarding site speed, GTMetrix shows how long it takes for all assets to load. We have asynchronous loading enabled (for the heavier front end tech we use like ReactJS). This results in showing the buyer instantly the site (html loads first) while we load each important element asynchronously.

If you load the page, you'll see this clearly with the Trustpilot widget. It always loads after the entire site has been loaded.

GTMetrix shows the total time to load all elements and assets so it's not useful for real benchmarking.

Like I mentioned earlier, if you have a normal set-up you should observe an average load time of between 800 milliseconds and max 2 seconds during peak hours (for me personally all pages load instantly when I open a new lander. Only domains that are just newly parked with us and don't have SSL yet will take a bit longer to load for their first visit as we generate the SSL certificates at the first visit).

We have users from all over the world with different machines, browser plugins, internet connections, some park via Nameservers, others via a redirect and what not. So it doesn't surprise me that not everyone is experiencing the same site speed or load time.

 

[DAN.COM]

yes... 6-10 seconds is too long.

well.. I guess I'll begin by removing my background pic.. see if that helps. too bad.. it was nice one hahah

Good one by the way. Try using a lightweight background if you add one. And always compress your image before uploading with tools like this one: https://compresspng.com

 

[robert widener]

i forgot i joined undeveloped back in 2017

 

[alcy]

Regarding site speed, GTMetrix shows how long it takes for all assets to load. We have asynchronous loading enabled (for the heavier front end tech we use like ReactJS). This results in showing the buyer instantly the site (html loads first) while we load each important element asynchronously.

If you load the page, you'll see this clearly with the Trustpilot widget. It always loads after the entire site has been loaded.

GTMetrix shows the total time to load all elements and assets so it's not useful for real benchmarking.

Like I mentioned earlier, if you have a normal set-up you should observe an average load time of between 800 milliseconds and max 2 seconds during peak hours (for me personally all pages load instantly when I open a new lander. Only domains that are just newly parked with us and don't have SSL yet will take a bit longer to load for their first visit as we generate the SSL certificates at the first visit).

We have users from all over the world with different machines, browser plugins, internet connections, some park via Nameservers, others via a redirect and what not. So it doesn't surprise me that not everyone is experiencing the same site speed or load time.

okay thnaks

but how do you then explain the fact that with many/all other landers most people are familiar with... form godaddy sale page.. to above.com to sedo.. or what not... the looadtimes never seem to change and are independent of setups... which I know for a fact cause I tried them all on various machines, mobile etc.. and yet your lander seems particularly sensitive to setups..

what makes your lander this sensitive? and others load fast/same regardless of setup.

perhaps to answer this question, will be to find out more about where yoru problem and soloution may be.

p.s. do u plan to do something about shrinking font for longer names so they fit on one line? or can I assume you will be leaving things as is. thanks!

 

[joro001]

to be clear I really like undeveloped's landers and options to me they are as good as it gets, but I just want improvements. I just tested in chrome incognito two of my domains and it did take around 6 seconds or so to fully load which is much to slow. Also if you test with pingdom from locations such as Australia and the USA it takes much longer than 0.8-2 seconds mentioned above to load, check it yourself.

I am attaching 2 screenshots from gtmetrix from a domain i've currently parked with undeveloped and whatever is said about time to load (it shows around 9 seconds on this check) there are numerous things to improve such as gzip compression, using CDN etc. Also the Performance scores are really bad F- D whereas for example afternic's are rated A - B by gtmetrix.

In short I feel there is more to be done to speed up landing pages by Undeveloped to improve what is an excellent overall product offering.

 

[joro001]

I want to mention I just closed my first sale with undeveloped, (only started using them recently) was as smooth as it gets from start to finish, they are absolutely worth their 9% and no extra paypal fees either.

My comments above regarding landing page loading times and suggested improvements are simply my desire to have a better overall platform. From my end I actually am happy with just about everything else they offer, but yes would like to see landing speeds increase as well as the issues gtmetrix are highlighting improved as best as possible.

Overall though kudos undeveloped i'm very impressed indeed.

 

[alcy]

I want to mention I just closed my first sale with undeveloped, (only started using them recently) was as smooth as it gets from start to finish, they are absolutely worth their 9% and no extra paypal fees either.

My comments above regarding landing page loading times and suggested improvements are simply my desire to have a better overall platform. From my end I actually am happy with just about everything else they offer, but yes would like to see landing speeds increase as well as the issues gtmetrix are highlighting improved as best as possible.

Overall though kudos undeveloped i'm very impressed indeed.

nicely done

I am sure they are professional enough to appreciate and understand where we come from when we make comments.. and that its not because we're bored or rude.. but because we want things to be better.. there is always room for imrpovmenet everywhere

BUT...... thought it was 15% fee there no?

 

[Bob Hawkes]

BUT...... thought it was 15% fee there no?

Unless it has changed, on their seller guide it says 9% which is very fair imho.

https://undeveloped.com/help/seller-guide

BTW their seller guide is really helpful!

 

[alcy]

Unless it has changed, on their seller guide it says 9% which is very fair imho.

https://undeveloped.com/help/seller-guide

BTW their seller guide is really helpful!

didn't read into it yet bit busy now

but first 2 goggle results give:

 

[Bob Hawkes]

Yes, I think it did used to be higher, but that is for 2015 and 2016! The fact that comes up first on Google search means that their site needs to rank higher in Google search, though! When I started listing with them about a year ago they said 9%.

 

[creataweb]

It's 9%. I sold a name there this month.

 

[alcy]

wow 9% is real good!

I use abovecom a lot too.. and there its 10% which I thought was the lowest in industry now.
but 9% is equally good!

good to know!

funny cause I was writing to one of the reps recently some email questions.. and at some point I mentioned that their 15% is prety good and he didn't correct me.. so I didn't think it could be wrong.

I think most companies make thier fees higher with time.. not the other way round.. lol

thanks.

 

[joro001]

nicely done

I am sure they are professional enough to appreciate and understand where we come from when we make comments.. and that its not because we're bored or rude.. but because we want things to be better.. there is always room for imrpovmenet everywhere

BUT...... thought it was 15% fee there no?

Yes I hope undeveloped see where I am coming from, you summed it up well.

Commission is 9% and they sent payment via paypal net of any fees.

 

[Name Manager]

I thought about the scheme of interaction between domain owners and brokers. And I drew the following diagram. Perhaps this interaction between the participants of the domain business and the Undeveloped team will help increase sales. What do you think about it?

 

[UmerK]

Hi @Undeveloped
I have some names using your pages, I am curious how does a sale go ahead and work when the domain in question is at NetSol with transfer lock in? I ask this because few of them have bins too and I do believe transfer using pull is a nightmare for end users?
Also could we possibly see some type of analytics integration within Undeveloped system giving us more insight on possible traffic?

 

[anantj]

I have some names using your pages, I am curious how does a sale go ahead and work when the domain in question is at NetSol with transfer lock in? I ask this because few of them have bins too and I do believe transfer using pull is a nightmare for end users?

Typically, I've pushed domains to Undeveloped's holding account which then pushes to the buyer's account. Not specific to the NS pull style account changes but it will likely work similarly I suspect

Also could we possibly see some type of analytics integration within Undeveloped system giving us more insight on possible traffic?

GA is already integrated with Undeveloped. Add you GA ID in the settings page