Undeveloped.com Experience

[JudgeMind]

Has anyone used undeveloped.com to sell domains? They claim to be able to increase a domainers sales by 54%.

 

[xynames]

Besides my own experience, just looking at namebio’s daily market report it’s obvious that end users are making many purchases at Sedo and GoDaddy.

A lot of end users simply feel more comfortable buying through a place like GoDaddy or Afternic. I’ve had inquiries via my landing page where the exact same inquirer then turns around and buys my domain for the same price I quoted, via Afternic. I am able to verify this after the sale is closed and the new website comes up.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Yes, if the domains are parked at Sedo - no any problems to sell them to the incoming (address bar) buyers.
+ Sedo escrow transactions (3% / min. $60) are also reported in Sedo feed (if no changes).

 

[DAN.COM]

If you (1) had your own landing page before, and (2) receive the same or similar traffic once you start using someone else's (such as Undeveloped's) landing page for the same domain, then you may assume the traffic is legitimate. Otherwise, any increase consists of 'bots. Undeveloped has no organic, meaningful traffic to speak of for its site in general, as far as people going there to search for domains.

Because if a sudden increase in traffic for a given landing page newly planted at Undeveloped were legitimate, that would mean that tons of people are scouring the Undeveloped site searching / looking for domains in general, which is not the case, and is gainsaid by the data from my own experience.

You say:
"Undeveloped has no organic, meaningful traffic to speak of for its site in general, as far as people going there to search for domains."

And the above you based on "by the data from my own experience"?

Nice one . For your sake, I hope you don't base all your business decisions on that data.

Here's the real data from the actual source:

1: All parked domains brought in nearly 3,000,000 unique visitors last month

2: Undeveloped's homepage attracted 629,000 unique visitors (30% increase compared to the month before).

3: 17% of the sales in July (compared to 2% last year July) were not initiated by a buyer that landed directly on one of our for sale pages. This number is increasing as the marketplace is growing and evolving.

4: Total sale volume increased by 40% compared to last month as we hit a record marketplace revenue of +$1M in July alone, for the first time in the history of the company.

 

[alex067]

I hope you guys keep it up, I love the layout of your landing page and it's what attracted me to park my domains with you guys.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

A lot of end users simply feel more comfortable buying through a place like GoDaddy or Afternic.

Yes, their share is significant.
But I don't prefer to gift 20%.

 

[xynames]

Yes, if the domains are parked at Sedo - no any problems to sell them to the incoming (address bar) buyers.
+ Sedo escrow transactions (3% / min. $60) are also reported in Sedo feed (if no changes).

I do not use Sedo landing pages or anyone else's landing pages (only my own, directed via a PPC parking page) and I sell at Afternic, Sedo, DomainAgents, GoDaddy, regularly, to end users.

I don't think there is any basis to your statement that "no end users are buying at Sedo" - I mean, what is the source for your statement? Looking at namebio, the sales quoted from Sedo are obviously end users. Also, every domain I have sold at Sedo has been at a top price and obviously to an end user.

As far as giving a commission away, not a problem if the net to me is good, and especially not a problem versus not selling at all.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Source: Sedo observation over decade... including own domains.

 

[Jurgen Wolf]

Why so little share of successful auctions on Sedo (reserve met) - if endusers exist there???
And why almost always 0 or 1 bidder???
Just think about this...

 

[xynames]

1: All parked domains brought in nearly 3,000,000 unique visitors last month

2: Undeveloped's homepage attracted 629,000 unique visitors (30% increase compared to the month before).

(1) The first traffic claim is irrelevant, and supports my claim that no one is searching for domains at Undeveloped, rather - merely landing on the URL for the domain after search for that word in cyberspace (not following any kind of domain search at Undeveloped).

(2) So why aren't they buying anything?
There is still not even one person in the entire world who is not using your landing pages, to come on here and state that he sold a domain at Undeveloped. lol That alone gainsays the significance of your traffic claims. Assuming it's not 'bots, your traffic is in any case not people searching for domains.

I posted this a while back:

<<Has ANYONE on the earth who has domains listed at Undeveloped (but NOT using its landing pages), sold a single domain?>>

and no one answered in the affirmative.

 

[alex067]

What are you talking about? Head on over to the name sales thread here and there are plenty of reported domains sold via inbound on undeveloped

 

[Joshua Harding]

(1) The first traffic claim is irrelevant, and supports my claim that no one is searching for domains at Undeveloped, rather - merely landing on the URL for the domain after search for that word in cyberspace (not following any kind of domain search at Undeveloped).

(2) So why aren't they buying anything?
There is still not even one person in the entire world who is not using your landing pages, to come on here and state that he sold a domain at Undeveloped. lol That alone gainsays the significance of your traffic claims. Assuming it's not 'bots, your traffic is in any case not people searching for domains.

You're explicitly and dishonestly ignoring the part where he directly addressed this claim.

"3: 17% of the sales in July (compared to 2% last year July) were not initiated by a buyer that landed directly on one of our for sale pages."

 

[xynames]

What are you talking about? Head on over to the name sales thread here and there are plenty of reported domains sold via inbound on undeveloped

Those are people using their parked pages! Read and think before you post.

"3: 17% of the sales in July (compared to 2% last year July) were not initiated by a buyer that landed directly on one of our for sale pages."

That statement is pure subterfuge and I rightly ignored it. You were taken in by it, not me. It does not refer to people who have not parked their domains at Undeveloped.

Where is such a person? I have some of the best domains out there and have received not a single inquiry even at Undeveloped, while I sell like gangbusters with the same domains at Sedo, Afternic, GoDaddy, DomainAgents, etc.

 

[DAN.COM]

(1) The first traffic claim is irrelevant, and supports my claim that no one is searching for domains at Undeveloped, rather - merely landing on the URL for the domain after search for that word in cyberspace (not following any kind of domain search at Undeveloped).

(2) So why aren't they buying anything?
There is still not even one person in the entire world who is not using your landing pages, to come on here and state that he sold a domain at Undeveloped. lol That alone gainsays the significance of your traffic claims. Assuming it's not 'bots, your traffic is in any case not people searching for domains.

My dear friend, now you're literally saying "Because I've never seen brown bears, I conclude that brown bears don't exist, otherwise, I would have seen one".

I really don't know what else to say...

 

[Joshua Harding]

Those are people using their parked pages! Read and think before you post.

"...were not initiated by a buyer that landed directly on one of our for sale pages"

How did they get there?

 

[Crysis]

Read and think before you post.

The same would apply to you. LOL

 

[xynames]

Any one of you here, stop using Undeveloped's (or anyone else's), landing pages, use your own - you will get the exact same traffic, not have to pay Undeveloped (or anyone else) a nickel, and once you stop parking there, will see your inquiries via Undeveloped go down to zero.

Or, just keep believing, and ignore the reality.

 

[DAN.COM]

Where is such a person? I have some of the best domains out there and have received not a single inquiry even at Undeveloped, while I sell like gangbusters with the same domains at Sedo, Afternic, GoDaddy, DomainAgents, etc.

For the sake of transparency, why don't you share your sales with us? We'd love to see how many names you're actually selling and where.

 

[Joshua Harding]

Any one of you here, stop using Undeveloped's (or anyone else's), parking pages, use your own - you will get the exact same traffic, not have to pay Undeveloped (or anyone else) a nickel, and once you stop parking there, will see your inquiries via Undeveloped go down to zero.

Or, just keep believing, and ignore the reality.

Right on, brother.

Meanwhile, I'm more than happy to pay 5% or 9% for the security and ease of transaction + transfer, coupled with an almost instant payout in a number of different options.

On a platform that continues to iteratively improve with feedback from the community, while maintaining a UX-optimized approach.

To each their own.

 

[xynames]

For the sake of transparency, why don't you share your sales with us? We'd love to see how many names you're actually selling and where.

As I've posted many times, most of my domain sales are verified and posted at the various domain journals, so if you'd care to monitor them closely you will see my sales fly by regularly.

I never post sales here because people come in and start debating whether I sold the domain too high etc. and then my buyer might see that. It's not professional.

NamePros is a good place to learn and teach about domains in general.

 

[DAN.COM]

As I've posted many times, most of my domain sales are verified and posted at the various domain journals, so if you'd care to monitor them closely you will see my sales fly by regularly.

I never post sales here because people come in and start debating whether I sold the domain too high etc. and then my buyer might see that. It's not professional.

NamePros is a good place to learn and teach about domains in general.

Sure thing. All talk, no walk. You're likely selling 1 or 2 domains max a month from your portfolio of 1417 domains.

Talk to you again in three months when you resurface this discussion for the fifth time.