.tv Tv and Google

[hullswingerscom]

i can not get my tv domains ranked high in google if i just use the keyword

if i add the keyword.tv it will...rank ok

no matter what i do i get a poor rank in google yet yahoo is ok..

anyone else have this bother....

 

[Steven]

In the wedding vertical, we are one of the giants.

Our ad spend in wedding is in the top 5, in wedding officiants - we are #1.

We have been able to get every wedding/event domain we own in the top 4 for whatever category we choose.

Provided it is a .COM or .NET.

I guess we have just gotten lucky. I don't know what I'm doing. I have no experience with SEO.

Although, I don't know your seo/sem methods, I'm sure that you have a lot of experiences and knowledge in regards to internet businesses and marketing from what I've read.

Don't get me wrong, but I'm only trying to find some positive points for .TV as we have vested interest in the extension and the development aspect of it (some little and some much more than others). In other words, I'm not trying to go against you or disagree with you, but rather hoping to work together to see what can be the underlying causes for some .TV sites to have hard time ranking in google se... and how we can come up with a solution.

Best wishes

 

[localexperts]

I've gotten our sites top position by doing nothing that is suggested by any industry pubs about SEO or recommended by Google.

Like what I said, I read Sergie's thesis, bought .COM and .NET domains, and drove traffic to the sites.

Now I run a site somewhat similiar to Google. Our leads are very competitive. We only sell to a max of five advertisers. Sometime we have 15-20 advertisers wanting the lead. So I have to have an algorithm to make sure folks get quality businesss and that businesses get access to our leads

So I'm the architect of our matching algorithm. Other than myself, no one else in the company has a clue how to get an advertiser an advantage. At my previous company, the algorithm was very complex - I actually simlplified it for the new company.

So when an advertiser calls and asks how they can get access to the leads, the customer service folks have some rough guidelines to gain an advantage. In fact, we tell everyone the same set of guidelines in our documentation. It is no secret, but it doesn't tell the whole story.

But I don't want to tell anyone how to "game" our system. If I did, then our quality suffers. So those guidelines, while a little helpful, are a piece of the puzzle.

Engineers don't to leak out too much information when they think people are going to "game" their system.

I chose to understand, what it means to be a quality content site in Google's world.

Why is hotels.com ranked ahead of travelocity, expedia, orbitz, and a host of other travel category killers. That was the search term I studied after reading the Google thesis. That study is key to really understanding SEO.

 

[mckennaronnie]

Stoneroses told me last night of a well searches & competitive term that has a .tv as no.1 google result:

Search term 'Liverpool'
Result 1: www.liverpoolfc.tv

Also 2 more with less search volume;
Search term 'Five'
Result 1: www.five.tv

One more i just noticed
Search term 'Live Football'
Result 1: 'www.free-football.tv'

I have no explanation on what they are doing to get themselves top Google ranking but obviously there is a way.
I'm not going to go through every popular .tv and post their google ranking but i posted a few just to show it is happening and maybe you guys much smarter than me can work out why from looking what these sites done different.

 

[soggyindo]

Stoneroses told me last night of a well searches & competitive term that has a .tv as no.1 google result:

Search term 'Liverpool'
Result 1: www.liverpoolfc.tv

Also 2 more with less search volume;
Search term 'Five'
Result 1: www.five.tv

One more i just noticed
Search term 'Live Football'
Result 1: 'www.free-football.tv'

I have no explanation on what they are doing to get themselves top Google ranking but obviously there is a way.
I'm not going to go through every popular .tv and post their google ranking but i posted a few just to show it is happening and maybe you guys much smarter than me can work out why from looking what these sites done different.

great work - let's work it out!

ps similar detective work going on in this thread on .info

 

[mckennaronnie]

great work - let's work it out!

ps similar detective work going on in this thread on .info

Thank Stoneroses, he found 2/3 but he is to shy to post

Now if you guys work out how to crack this problem then i'll come back at a later stage and claim ALL the credit.

 

[localexperts]

In US, five TV is #7, but that is still very good. That is what I needed to study the problem. Thank you.

That is what I was looking for was data. This is very important to helping us. These are high search terms. A .TV is ranked on page one. Now the people who are having issues should study these two sites.

 

[Ctack]

Justin.tv
Justin (ovt 45k) #1 in google

 

[shocko]

Not sure if this information will help.

I'm searching from Ireland so I guess the positions will be different from other countries.

I thought that maybe how old the site is (year of registration) might be a factor so included that to.



Keyword - Position - Google Monthly Searches - Year of Reg - Site


Fuse - No.1 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Fuse.TV)

Stuff - No.3 - 11 Million - Reg '06 - (Stuff.TV)

Fuel - No.2 - 5 Million - Reg '03 - (Fuel.TV)

Bollywood - No.9 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Bollywood.TV)

Hollywood - No.10 - 9 Million - Reg '04 - (Hollywood.TV)

Supernatural - No.5 - 370,000 - Reg '05 - (Supernatural.TV)

Bid - No.7 - 670,000 - Reg '00 - (Bid.TV)

Teachers - No.10 - 2.7 Million - Reg '03 - (Teachers.TV)

God - No.9 - 7.5 Million - Reg '02 - (God.TV)

Kangaroo - No.9 - 370,000 - Reg '02 - (Kangaroo.TV)

 

[localexperts]

shocko. I'm actually starting to buy more into the year of registration being the issue.

With my tests, I bought primarily old .COM and .NET domains that had been around the block, but parked for a couple years

Based on the feedback about the webmaster tools - I began to discount the ccTLD theory and focus more on the registration date. The oldest .TV domains are I own are 2005 regs.

If fresh regs are the issue, while not directly related to .TV domains - it means develop your .TV sites quickly because you have to wait to get them indexed, out the sandbox, and on the playing field.

I appreciate everyone's time on this. It is important and I think alot of great research has been done to support the cause. Obviously if reg date is the issue, there is nothing than can be done - but develop and wait.

IMHO that is also positive for end users, because while their sites my suffer out of the gate - there is hope and promise in the light at the end of tunnel

 

[StoneRoses]

shocko. I'm actually starting to buy more into the year of registration being the issue.

With my tests, I bought primarily old .COM and .NET domains that had been around the block, but parked for a couple years

Based on the feedback about the webmaster tools - I began to discount the ccTLD theory and focus more on the registration date. The oldest .TV domains are I own are 2005 regs.

If fresh regs are the issue, while not directly related to .TV domains - it means develop your .TV sites quickly because you have to wait to get them indexed, out the sandbox, and on the playing field.

I appreciate everyone's time on this. It is important and I think alot of great research has been done to support the cause. Obviously if reg date is the issue, there is nothing than can be done - but develop and wait.

IMHO that is also positive for end users, because while their sites my suffer out of the gate - there is hope and promise in the light at the end of tunnel

George,Ronnie,Stephen you have pulled me out of hibernation this!.

After reading your posts i did indeed do a little research which i passed onto Ronnie :great: ,which i am glad he posted,
Anyway there are also a couple of other searches like.. bid ( bid.tv # 3) darts.tv ( planetdarts.tv #1) .
So i think you and Shocko may be spot on in that it is age not the extension that may cause this.
I have been busy developing a Geo lately,so it will be interesting to see just how long it takes to get it to Google front page.
I am no SEO expert but i think i will now look at taking steps to make sure i optimise my site correctly to try to speed up the process.

 

[localexperts]

I appreciate your help on this. I wanted to know if .TV could rank well - answer found. And if so, what does it take to do so. While the second question is still unanswered, I don't think we will ever know.

However, the date makes ALOT of sense now that a couple other pieces of information (webmaster tool, high ranking .TVs) have come into play.

 

[soggyindo]

in the similar .info thread thread, they are looking at a whole lot of variables.

eg.

Spain.info gets to #2 for spain but it has some impressive SEO stats

PR: 7
Google Indexed Pages: 293,000
Yahoo Backlinks: 44,393
Alexa Rank: 20890
Created: 2001
Registered Until: 2017

perhaps also if a .tv domain is a $500 or $5000 premium, you are unlikely to want to register it for 10+ years - the length of time you're regging into the future might be another .tv issue?

 

[Steven]

Yep, I agree.
I read that age of the domain is another factor in google seo.

Not sure if this information will help.

I'm searching from Ireland so I guess the positions will be different from other countries.

I thought that maybe how old the site is (year of registration) might be a factor so included that to.



Keyword - Position - Google Monthly Searches - Year of Reg - Site


Fuse - No.1 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Fuse.TV)

Stuff - No.3 - 11 Million - Reg '06 - (Stuff.TV)

Fuel - No.2 - 5 Million - Reg '03 - (Fuel.TV)

Bollywood - No.9 - 1 Million - Reg '02 - (Bollywood.TV)

Hollywood - No.10 - 9 Million - Reg '04 - (Hollywood.TV)

Supernatural - No.5 - 370,000 - Reg '05 - (Supernatural.TV)

Bid - No.7 - 670,000 - Reg '00 - (Bid.TV)

Teachers - No.10 - 2.7 Million - Reg '03 - (Teachers.TV)

God - No.9 - 7.5 Million - Reg '02 - (God.TV)

Kangaroo - No.9 - 370,000 - Reg '02 - (Kangaroo.TV)

 

[hullswingerscom]

ahhhhh! it that horrid thread again what will not go away...

well cotingham.tv is now on page 7 of google if you just type "cottingham"

why is this...i think because i was wrong and ronnie was right thoo i hate to say it....
i think wordpress helps and age of the website...

we live and learn!

 

[mckennaronnie]

ahhhhh! it that horrid thread again what will not go away...

well cotingham.tv is now on page 7 of google if you just type "cottingham"

why is this...i think because i was wrong and ronnie was right thoo i hate to say it....
i think wordpress helps and age of the website...

we live and learn!

Hull's i am always right :hehe:

I have told you this before but i'll say it again: Sort out your SEO or you will never get great rankings.

Here is your meta tags:

<meta name="author" content="Ian Court">
<meta name="description" content="Because I can.">
<meta name="keywords" content="ian court, courty, the usual suspects, shoe pie, newquay, i geek therefore ipod>

What is above is a pure mess, total nonsense from whoever built your site (Ian Court possibly?)

If you dont know how to sort your meta tags & keywords out then ask your webdesigner (though not the one who told you not to ever use .tv's as he is an idiot :imho: )
I'm more than happy to help you out, i can send you some decent Meta tags, keywords, descriptions that you just need to insert into your site, it will make a major difference trust me.

For a quick, easy beginners guide to basic SEO then go to:
www.development.tv/index.php?showtopic=37

The reason other sites rank much better than you is NOT down to .tv, it's that they are doing all the right things to get a high ranking when right now you are now.

I'm not having a go though Hull's, you have done well to get things up & running & to get the sites listed. It is a learning curve for us all, especially when you are new to being a webmaster.

Keep up the good work, your making progress all the time.
This time next month you can be on the 1st page of Google results.

Ronnie

 

[soggyindo]

i wondered before about the age of .tvs as a possible reason (high renewals = low amount of years regged into the future).

on second thoughts - this is probably not so much of a factor. none of my .com, .org etc sites are regged for more than a year, and many are on page 1. (tv's at page 20 or something...)

 

[hullswingerscom]

i am doing this site myself but the meta tags must be who ever had the theme i will change this....only last year i could not even build a site...

the fact its on google as it is is a good sign..

my shop site i am not doing as you know i have got a webdesigner for that !
but i think co.uk is better for a local village shop..what i am..then dot tv

dot tv works for geo ,tv related....but not local village shop no!,
my site address is in the local village times.and above the shop so i am trying to get dot tv out there!

well i dont think anyone should listen to anything i say on this subject as i am just learning...but the fact i know very little about building websites and my site is on google page 7 and getting higher is good news...

 

[soggyindo]

if it's a wordpress site just add the all-in-one SEO pack. it gives you little areas to add in meta tags, description etc.

quite easy to do a little, and get a lot