The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[.X.]

No you don't believe it's a choice, we had that conversation before and you admitted it's natural.

You remember I said if it was a choice, that would be an important day in your life. Then I asked you about that day.

Did you sit down and decide if you wanted to be gay or straight or were you just naturally attracted to women.

So again, if it's a choice, tell be about the day you made it. How old were you? Did you sit down with parents, siblings and friends?

Or when you see a beautiful woman, is it a natural reaction or do you really need to think about it?

Humans are no different than nature.... first we develop as a human in the womb.. as that process continues we either form a penis or vagina ... at which time we become a male or female .... male and female is for reproduction purposes ... two men can not reproduce... nor two women ...... the reason for our very being is to reproduce and multiply.... so we naturally are attracted to the opposite sex ... we are not naturally attracted to the same sex at birth or as we grow up ... we may choose to find the same sex attractive and pursue relations with the sex ... nature performs much the same way ... if born a zebra ... it is not a horse and visa versa

 

[Joe N]

in no way do I believe that humans are born gay ... I believe being gay is a choice .. standing behind the “I was born this way” is a way for gay justification so that society excepts it...

You're not entirely right, nor are you entirely wrong. Genetics play a major factor, but they also aren't the end-all-be-all. It's not black and white (i.e. either born gay or born straight). The brain is complex, so of course the question of genetics and their impact on sexuality is complex too.

Anyway, why on Earth would people choose to be marginalized and prosecuted and shamed? What is someone's end game to making that choice?

 

[JB Lions]

Humans are no different than nature.... first we develop as a human in the womb.. as that process continues we either form a penis or vagina ... at which time we become a male or female .... male and female is for reproduction purposes ... two men can not reproduce... nor two women ...... the reason for our very being is to reproduce and multiply.... so we naturally are attracted to the opposite sex ... we are naturally attracted to the same sex at birth or as we grow up ... we may choose to find the same sex attractive and pursue relations with the sex ... nature performs much the same way ... if born a zebra ... it is not a horse and visa versa

Tell me about the day you made the choice. Gay or straight. It's a big decision. Who you will have sex with, maybe marry. Kids. Reaction from society, etc.

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Or when you see a beautiful woman, is it a natural reaction or do you really need to think about it? I'm not sure if I'm attracted to her, let me sit down and write pros and cons and come up with a decision.

 

[Joe N]

Humans are no different than nature.... first we develop as a human in the womb.. as that process continues we either form a penis or vagina ... at which time we become a male or female .... male and female is for reproduction purposes ... two men can not reproduce... nor two women ...... the reason for our very being is to reproduce and multiply.... so we naturally are not attracted to the opposite sex ... we are naturally attracted to the same sex at birth or as we grow up ... we may choose to find the same sex attractive and pursue relations with the sex ... nature performs much the same way ... if born a zebra ... it is not a horse and visa versa

That's all kinds of wrong.

 

[.X.]

You're not entirely right, nor are you entirely wrong. Genetics play a major factor, but they also aren't the end-all-be-all. It's not black and white (i.e. either born gay or born straight). The brain is complex, so of course the question of genetics and their impact on sexuality is complex too.

Anyway, why on Earth would people choose to be marginalized and prosecuted and shamed? What is someone's end game to making that choice?

I hear you ... my issue with it all is not the fact that people want to be different ... but in doing so they need to be honest with themselves as well as everyone else .. don’t throw blame ... except that they have made a decision to change their identity and hold their own accountability for doing so

 

[.X.]

Tell me about the day you made the choice. Gay or straight. It's a big decision. Who you will have sex with, maybe marry. Kids. Reaction from society, etc.

and

Or when you see a beautiful woman, is it a natural reaction or do you really need to think about it? I'm not sure if I'm attracted to her, let me sit down and write pros and cons and come up with a decision.

It was nature and I was made male .. to like females and want to reproduce as that what we are here to do ... reproduce and multiply

 

[Joe N]

I hear you ... my issue with it all is not the fact that people want to be different ... but in doing so they need to be honest with themselves as well as everyone else .. don’t throw blame ... except that they have made a decision to change their identity and hold their own accountability for doing so

This line of thinking is flawed. Your identity is your identity; you don't just up and change it.

 

[mr-x]

You know what? I concede. I see what I'm up against now.

This debate started with free speech. You say using an alternative gender is inclusive. I agree to a point but forcing someone to use a made up gender, ze, zhe, whatever is forcing people to accept a lie.

There are two genders. There may be biological reason for confusion but that doesn't change the fact that people are confused.

I don't have a problem talking to a transwomen as a women. I have a problem being forced to say she is a biological women.

 

[.X.]

That's all kinds of wrong.

in what way? Is a tree a tree? Is a rose bush a rose bush? A dog a dog? A cat a cat?

 

[Joe N]

in what way? Is a tree a tree? Is a rose bush a rose bush? A dog a dog? A cat a cat?

Yes, and a human is a human.

 

[.X.]

This line of thinking is flawed. Your identity is your identity; you don't just up and change it.

So what would be my identity in your opinion ??... I am a male

 

[mr-x]

It's an evolution of acceptance. ..

What happens with the evolution includes trans-species or trans-age? This is imo, political correctness, not science.

 

[JB Lions]

Georgia at 4:15 pm
49.3% - 2,425,441 - Biden
49.5% - 2,438,206 - Trump

Pennsylvania at 4:15 pm
48.7% - 3,142,463 - Biden
50.2% - 3,240,387 - Trump

AP numbers
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=election+results

They should hire more people at times like this. 24/7 counting, different shifts. This takes too damn long. I understand some things are still coming in but they should be at it 24/7.

I think they said we might have Pennsylvania tonight, it's all moving Biden

President Biden and Vice President Harris already putting in work.

President Biden live now.

 

[Joe N]

This debate started with free speech. You say using an alternative gender is inclusive. I agree to a point but forcing someone to use a made up gender, ze, zhe, whatever is forcing people to accept a lie.

There are two genders. There may be biological reason for confusion but that doesn't change the fact that people are confused.

I don't have a problem talking to a transwomen as a women. I have a problem being forced to say she is a biological women.

How can you accept that a trans woman is a biological man that feels like a woman, but not accept that a biological man could feel like both a man and a woman, or not quite either?

 

[.X.]

Yes, and a human is a human.

humans are only formed in two ways in the womb .. with a penis or with a vagina .. as designed by our maker ... penis is a male .. vagina is a female ..

identity crisis perhaps .... is a “Red” rose bush .. a Red rose bush? Or shall we call it a yellow rose bush ... when it is red?

 

[Samer]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/tr...omments=true&spot_im_highlight_immediate=true

 

[Joe N]

What happens with the evolution includes trans-species or trans-age? This is imo, political correctness, not science.

Species and age are easily, scientifically proven and defined.

Gender doesn't fall into that category, unless you refuse to acknowledge that sex and gender are different concepts. If you refuse to acknowledge that, then there's no real point in discussing.

 

[Joe N]

humans are only formed in two ways in the womb .. with a penis or with a vagina .. as designed by our maker ... penis is a male .. vagina is a female ..

identity crisis perhaps .... is a “Red” rose bush .. a Red rose bush? Or shall we call it a yellow rose bush ... when it is red?

So you're saying that everyone's brain is the same when it comes to sexuality and gender.

 

[Cannuck]

LOL> Gender is biology. Anyone who says otherwise is confused or lying.

The difference between America and Canada. I can tell the truth about Gender in America without being accused of a crime.

I'm not wrong. You believe a lie.

I haven't used a single pejorative or made a bigoted statement. Disagreeing isn't racist or homophobic.

Maybe you should be a little more tolerant.

I haven't tole you you can't identify as a woman or some other gender. I simply said it's not based on biology and people who do are confused.

Who accused anyone of a crime? You said the difference between Canada and USA is...and I corrected you. There's no way out of this stream of lost consciousness. Cannuck out

 

[Joe N]

So what would be my identity in your opinion ??... I am a male

That's not for me to decide! It's your identity. You tell me.