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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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  • Both Parties

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    45.6%
  • Neither Party

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    8.7%
  • Democrats

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    22.4%
  • Republicans

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    23.3%
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“The Conservative Tree House may be called a Last Refuge for each of us for different reasons. Whatever trail through the woods brought us here, we have shared the turmoil of storms as we have been finding our voices as individuals in this growing community

Perhaps you’ve had some truly shockingly cruel things said to you purely because you believe in limited government and fiscal conservatism. Perhaps you not only believe that we should be self-reliant and personally responsible, but also believe that when we are allowed to depend on ourselves, we are stronger, more successful, take greater pride in ourselves and our work, and are more likely to make positive contributions to society. And then we are happier people, or at least more likely to be happier.

Which lends to the following theory: Fear is at the core of liberalism, and love/trust is at the core of conservatism. Liberalism is about control. Conservatism is about self-empowerment.

Control is a reaction to fear. Think in terms or politics and society – the fear behind liberalism is the fear that someone might withhold things (opportunities, money, whatever) from me, fear that if you live your life in a way I dislike that it might affect my life, fear that if you get that job, there will be nothing left for me. Fear that if you make tons of money, it’s means there’s less money out there for me. So people who believe in liberal ideologies seek control as a means of trying to create guarantees and safeguards against those circumstances they fear. Liberals try to control the world and people to enable their comfort and happiness. Which, as we know, is an endless quest. Trying to control others does nothing in the way of making oneself happy. By extension, voting in this mindset so that government can try to control others will also – shocking – not lead to a happier, more comfortable life.

The conservative (and moderate, independent, but for the sake of expediency, the conservative), on the other hand, relies on himself to meet his own needs. And the trade off of being free to live his life as he wishes is also understanding that he has to make peace with how you live yours. By extension, aware that he wants to be able to hold onto this liberty and freedom forever, the conservative votes accordingly, so that everyone can remain free and in charge of his or her own life.

But here’s the crucial difference, perhaps, particularly where misery on the left stems: The conservative does not worry, so to speak, about you. The conservative knows that you were born with the same access to self-love, self-empowerment, self-determination and self-reliance that we all were, no matter the circumstances into which you were born. (Think about the millions of people this country has allowed to crawl up from poverty into prosperity – the conservative KNOWS this is possible.) And the conservative believes that if you want prosperity, or a good job, or a good education, you can make it happen – but you have to work hard. The conservative hopes and intends that the free markets bring you all of the affordable and positive opportunities and resources that you need. The conservative also knows that on the other side of that hard work is great reward – material and, more importantly, emotional, spiritual and mental.

The conservative understands that not only is it a waste of time to try to control you, it’s actually impossible. Humans were born to be free. And if we put a roadblock in front of you, you’ll find another way around it. So we see attempts at control as a waste of resources, energy and time at best, and at worst, creating detrimental results that serve to hinder people’s upward mobility or teach dependence. We see much more efficiency, as well as endless opportunity, in leaving you to your own devices. And we want the same in return.

This is where democrats mis-view republicans as heartless. But really, the conservative believes that there is one and one path only to sustainable success and independence – and that is self-empowerment. All other avenues – welfare, affirmative action, housing loans you can’t actually afford – ultimately risk doing a disservice to people as they teach dependence on special circumstances, the govt, or arbitrary assistance (that can disappear tomorrow). And the real danger – they will ALWAYS backfire, and leave the recipient in equally or more dire circumstances. Any false improvement will always expire.

The conservative believes in abundance. The liberal believes in scarcity.

The conservative believes man is born free and will be who he is, no matter what arbitrary limitations or rules are put on him. The liberal believes man is perfectible, and by extension, believes a society at large is perfectible, and command and control is justified in the quest to a “perfect” utopian society. (Sounds familiar!)

The conservative tends to be more faithful – and not necessarily in God, but in the ability of the individual to find great strength in himself (or from his God) to get what he needs and to be successful. Therefore the conservative has an outlet for his fear and disappointment – trust and faith in something bigger. The liberal believes the system must be perfected in order to enable success. Therefore disappointment is channeled as anger and blame at the system. Voids are left to be filled by faith in the govt, which they surely then want to come in and “fix” things.

And therein lies the roots of love and fear respectively. For the conservative, when life presents great struggles, he knows he has the power to surmount them. Happiness stems from internal strength and perseverance. For the liberal, when life presents great struggles, the system failed, therefore they were at the mercy of a faulty system, and they believe that only when the system is fixed can their life improve. Happiness is built on systemic contingencies, which they will then seek to control or expect someone else to.

One blames himself. The other blames anyone and everyone but himself.

And there it is. There’s where the meanness comes from. The liberal ideology causes that person to cast anger at the world when things go wrong or appear “unfair.” He constantly chooses only to see the “injustices” – and that makes for a very miserable, mean, blame-casting existence.

One last point that we have seen over and over and over with many (not all) of our liberal friends: Extreme stinginess and cheapness.

In our conservative community growing up, we were always taught that you give when people are in need – make donations to the Red Cross when there’s an earthquake, donate to charity when you can afford it, etc. Even if it’s just $50 here and there – it’s the right thing to do. Conservatives see this as the responsibility that comes with gaining from the capitalistic system; if you happen to benefit greatly from the system, it’s your duty to give back.

The liberal, on the other hand, does not seem to share this same viewpoint, at least not in my experience. And perhaps think this is linked to believing in scarcity, and that your dollar comes at the cost of mine. So it seems that liberals, on some level of consciousness, feel guilty about not being voluntarily charitable. Therefore, to write off their guilt, they outsource their “generosity” to the government by voting for wealth re-distributive policies. Thus, the liberal cheats himself of the joy and addictiveness of direct generosity. (Not to mention – re distributive policies ALWAYS end up dis-empowering those who they’re meant to help.)

However each of us got here, it’s probably a fact that we have the turmoil of those storms in common, perhaps some unease that we could share and always, we also find fresh ground to cover from day to day. We’re developing valuable relationships as we trust one another in our community in the woods. The chatting in the branches encourages, strengthens and equips for some serious walking.

We think the Treehouse is a good armory for those who doing long distance walking for the sake of our nation. We hope you’ll think so, too. Find yourself a good branch….or just pull up a rock to the campfire.”

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/about/
 
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This is a myth. Over a thousand people a day cross the southern border to enter the USA illegally.
Most illegal immigrants in the USA came here legally and overstayed their visa...

We don't even know how many people are in the USA from central and south America. What we do know, there are not a lot European kids taking English as a second language.
 
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I still think all the fuss over a wall is ridiculous, a waste of taxpayer money as well as a waste of taxpayer money for Washington to have sessions about getting a wall.

No one can hire someone that is in the country illegally, no exceptions, no one can provide any housing for some who is here illegally, no exceptions. no sanctuary from churches, cities, states. If caught in any of these violations, the possibility of jail time, business closure.

So no food, no housing, no sanctuary, the border itself is secure.

Those who fail to reapply for a visa and are living here on an expired visa, have a warrant for their arrest, that being city, state and a federal warrant. and our Immigration authorities must go make house calls and get to work on keeping those who have a visa expiration up and coming notified to the visa holder.

The problem?? well, we are fighting ourselves as Americans on such a simple set of laws. Why? because of cheap labor within our country for the most part IMO . The business sector would oppose such laws on a high level as they would no longer be able to pay their workers a cheap non-livable wage. that causing a bunch of companies to be forced to end their business venture.

Then you have the illegal immigrants that have failed to reapply for an extended visa from countries such as Russia, India, Africa and so on, Who continue to maintain well-paying jobs throughout corporate America. they must be held to the same law standards as any other person who is the country illegally.

Here we come into the Children that were born here from these people that are caught being in the country illegally, a very sensitive subject, and should be. It should be treated the same as any American that has committed a crime and must be incarcerated. The child with either be given to a relative, if no relative is available, the child would enter the foster care and child protective services system. This is a general protocol for all Americans who are facing jail, prison or mental health facilities. This happens every day to natural born Americans, Is this protocol to cruel for illegal immigrants? I think not IMO.

So basically there are three forms of consequences for illegal immigrants, deportation, jail, and prison.

The above laws being written into law and enforced daily by local, state and federal law enforcement, some of these laws are already written in, but not enforced.


The illegal immigration problem in America is not a hard issue to fix, If enforcement is applied IMO
 
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Trump doesn't really have an issue with illegals as long as they work for him.

New Jersey AG has obtained evidence of possible crimes at Trump's golf club — and Mueller, FBI are involved in probe

"New Jersey prosecutors have collected evidence that supervisors at President Trump’s Garden State golf club may have committed federal immigration crimes — and the FBI as well as special counsel Robert Mueller have played part in the inquiry, the Daily News has learned.

Anibal Romero, a Newark attorney who represents several undocumented immigrants who used to work at the Trump National Golf Club in Bedminster, said Friday he recently met with investigators from the state attorney general’s office and handed over fraudulent green cards and Social Security numbers that management at the club allegedly procured and gave his clients, Victorina Morales and Sandra Diaz."

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/po...vidence-crimes-trump-golf-20181228-story.html
 
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Trump doesn't really have an issue with illegals as long as they work for him.

New Jersey AG has obtained evidence of possible crimes at Trump's golf club — and Mueller, FBI are involved in probe

That “thud” you hear is his club managers being thrown under the bus...
 
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This is the end for Trump for sure this time.

That “thud” you hear is his club managers being thrown under the bus...
 
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Did you know, the US is among the very few people taxing their non resident citizens. Very few countries do that, the other few are countries like Eritrea, places that people want to escape from.
It is one aspect among others where Americans are less free than other nations.
If you gave me a US passport for free, I would run away as fast as I can.

I am well aware, recently other countries that are broke are looking at it. Less free, yep. The Patriot act really was the biggest Govt overreach and breach of privacy ever. Sold to the public by the Bush Crime family. The 5 Eyes excuse to spy on innocent people, collect every byte of data including this post... lol.

Wikileaks and Snowden exposed Clapper who lied to Congress, why isn’t he being held in contempt?

Then Obamas Hire Act, FBAR reporting, FATCA B.S. laws, etc. All this nonsense, even people who were born in the US, and left for another country as a child are subject to taxation technically!

The US imposes their banking regulations with every other country, then automatically sets an immediate compliance date then provides little to no back end support to even for the bank to fill out the correct paperwork. In the early days of these new laws, they froze bank accounts all around the world, and people with foreign accounts were treated as guilty until proven innocent. To this day, the US Govt still hasnt got this form thing fixed. The $50,000. fines for non compliance are way out of line too, for the average person who doesn’t comply due to ignorance or by choice. Not something to take lightly anyone reading this in the future. The way you annually report it is to the FINCEN, (US “Financial Crimes” agency, as if everyone outside the US is assumed a criminal on parole.., lol) only by electronic transfer via PDF file (older computers and adobe acrobat versions dont work btw). Its total bullshit, but it is what it is.
 
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This is the end for Trump for sure this time.

The “Thud” was the first brick being set down into cement on the border wall.
 
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Let San Franciscans have the city they want.

Thats the problem. People from San Francisco are not happy to have their own oasis of an ultra liberal city of Sanctuary for criminal illegals, shit on the streets, homeless shooting up and peeing everywhere, and non traditional values being forced into classrooms and new labels for everyone they disagree with invented. “Safe space”, “Toxic Masculinity”, “social justice warriors”, “white priviledge”. All I can say is I don’t have to deal with most of it.

Instead of SF being all by themselves, they have been expanded out shoving their warped value system worldwide up everybody else’s ass. Through their social media propaganda, the tech empire and monopoly. Its really spread quickly in less than 10 years.
 
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Also, most people illegally in this country came here legally on visas and overstayed.

I have a solution for that everbody from a shithole country upon receiving their VISA passport stamp, is fitted with an ankle bracelet. Then when the expiration date arrives, the bracelet sets off an annoying alarm bell so they cannot go anywhere without people knowing even walking into a 7/11 store everybody will know they have overstayed.
 
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I have a solution for that everbody from a sh*thole country upon receiving their VISA passport stamp, is fitted with an ankle bracelet. Then when the expiration date arrives, the bracelet sets off an annoying alarm bell so they cannot go anywhere without people knowing even walking into a 7/11 store everybody will know they have overstayed.

A little extreme (especially since they aren’t all from “sh*thole countries), but would address the problem better than the stupid a** wall and cost far less.
 
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The illegal immigration problem in America is not a hard issue to fix, If enforcement is applied IMO.
No one can hire someone that is in the country illegally, no exceptions, no one can provide any housing for some who is here illegally, no exceptions. no sanctuary from churches, cities, states. If caught in any of these violations, the possibility of jail time, business closure.

So no food, no housing, no sanctuary, the border itself is secure.
All greats points you mentioned, but with an increase of Sanctuary Cities and States, as well as the hypocrisy of all the major Democrats, who just a few years ago were in favor of stopping illegal immigration and even of building a wall, are now blocking any and all efforts to do something about it.

If spending 25 billion is an expensive waste of money, then how much do you think is spent every year on the millions of illegals that benefit from food stamps, schooling, medical and other social benefits? And I'm not even talking about some of the negative aspects that thousands of illegal criminals have on society!
 
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I have a solution for that everbody from a sh*thole country upon receiving their VISA passport stamp, is fitted with an ankle bracelet. Then when the expiration date arrives, the bracelet sets off an annoying alarm bell so they cannot go anywhere without people knowing even walking into a 7/11 store everybody will know they have overstayed.
Liberal Judges will block that in a blink of an eye! They have Human rights, That's racist, Nazis! they will cry!
 
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All greats points you mentioned, but with an increase of Sanctuary Cities and States, as well as the hypocrisy of all the major Democrats, who just a few years ago were in favor of stopping illegal immigration and even of building a wall, are now blocking any and all efforts to do something about it.

If spending 25 billion is an expensive waste of money, then how much do you think is spent every year on the millions of illegals that benefit from food stamps, schooling, medical and other social benefits? And I'm not even talking about some of the negative aspects that thousands of illegal criminals have on society!

If we are going to continue to allow sanctuary states, allowing business to provide work, allowing government subsidized housing, WIC, If we are going to allow Attorneys to protect, If we are going to allow free medical, All these services for immigrants, then we don't need to spend not one penny on anything,

Here once again we have Americans battling Americans over immigration, which is why our counties forecast in is in deep shit. Americans battling Americans has become the status quo.

While China, Russia, and other countries sit back and watch this go down, they don't need to initiate anything to stir the pot, they know essentially we are taking our selves out by doing what we are doing, they are just waiting for the fall to happen.
 
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Just when you think 45 can’t go any lower, he never ceases to come through...

Seeking asylum is legal.

At least one of those kids entered legally at an existing border wall.

Instead of expressing sympathy to the families, he exploits their tragedy - effing exploits the death of kids - to:

- Further divide the country
- Campaign for his ridiculous money-pit vanity wall

Soulless POS.
 
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He's not wrong. Democrats and activist on the 9th circuit court in SF have blocked EVERY SINGLE attempt at immigration reform.

Democrat cities / state continue to protect criminals from deportation, provide benefits against federal law and encourage illegal immigration.

Caravans are a response to democrat malfeasance and unlawful obstruction.

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Just when you think 45 can’t go any lower, he never ceases to come through...

Seeking asylum is legal.

Most are immigrating for Jobs and better opportunities, not asylum.

At least one of those kids entered legally at an existing border wall.

Instead of expressing sympathy to the families, he exploits their tragedy - effing exploits the death of kids - to:

- Further divide the country
- Campaign for his ridiculous money-pit vanity wall
Isn't that exactly what you are doing? Blaming one side for all the problems?


Soulless POS.

Maybe instead of hating President Trump, you could encourage your Congregational representatives to compromise on border security in exchange for more immigration.

How much does it cost to call Hawaii?
 
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https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-...ty-officials-arent-happy-warn-looming-crisis/

1600 migrants let loose in El Paso TX. City is having problems dealing with them.

"We are living through an immigration crisis that is in part driven by a disastrous ruling by a district court judge in the Ninth Circuit that incentives illegal alien adults to put their children in the hands of smugglers and traffickers. The Flores Settlement Agreement has created an immigration loophole that rewards parents for bringing their children with them to the United States."

Beto "the fake hispanic" isn't happy!! Take those people someplace else!

Soulless POS!
 
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