The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Kate]

The richer countries in Europe have even better Health Care, but are being strained by the millions of illegals, many of them arriving with various tropical diseases, or rotten teeth and even tourists from Africa, the Middle East and Eastern Asian countries, who soon after arriving seek medical care and then go back to their countries without paying the bill.

It started well, but you couldn't resist adding your daily dose of fascist crap.
Doesn't even make any sense, why would an African pay hundreds or thousands to come to Europe, then go back just to benefit from supposedly free health care ? If they have that kind of money, they can get good health care in their home country, or in a neighboring country.
An EU visa is not cheap and not so easy to get, generally you have to show you have a return ticket, insurance, sufficient subsistence means and if you come from certain countries vaccination or a medical check-up may be required.
PS: at your next consultation, you should ask if they have a solution for your rotten brain.

Now, to address the question.
Europe in general has affordable health care AND education, that is even free in some countries.
But Europeans pay higher taxes.
However inequality is rising (a worldwide trend).

The UK has socialized medicine that in my opinion isn't so great. If you have to wait for years for cancer treatment it's not working. If you have money you can go to a private practice but the system is supposed to provide universal care for people, even when they suffer from serious medical conditions or have limited means.

What I find baffling is that the US spends a lot on healthcare too, but the system doesn't seem to very efficient for people. Maybe it works well for the doctors and the industry though.
People in America are highly vulnerable if they start having health issues and do not have good, private, government or corporate coverage.

Another huge problem in America is that students who pursue studies in universities have to run into debt massively. When they start working they already have a 5-figure debt (or more) to pay. More or less slaves for life.

 

[enlytend]

What I find baffling is that the US spends a lot on healthcare too, but the system doesn't seem to very efficient for people. Maybe it works well for the doctors and the industry though.
People in America are highly vulnerable if they start having health issues and do not have good, private, government or corporate coverage.

It works for the insurance industry. Costs are crazy especially if it involves a hospital visit. If you look at a hospital bill you’ll see outrageous charges even for simple things like an aspirin.

Insurance premiums are also outrageous, especially if you’re not covered by an employer plan with group rates. Speaking as someone who has been buying coverage privately before and after ACA, ACA wasn’t perfect by any means but it made some improvements by limiting annual and lifetime costs, preventing insurers from dumping people with pre existing conditions, and covering wellness care to keep costs down. Also capping the premium gap percentage between 20 and 60 yr olds and limiting annual premium increases.

Then the current admin wants to get rid of it...personally I think fixing the parts that were lacking would have made more sense, but I’d have no problem with them scrapping it if there were plans to put something improved in its place. But that’s not the case - instead they're chipping away at it to make it collapse. They’re re-allowing cheap short term plans with basically cover nothing. Those were available before ACA - by using them you can be covered for treatment for a sprained ankle or the flu but will quickly run past policy limits if you have a catastrophic illness or accident.

People die because they can’t afford treatment and go bankrupt in this country if they get a serious illness. As a developed country, that’s just not right.

 

[GILSAN]

It started well, but you couldn't resist adding your daily dose of fascist crap.
Doesn't even make any sense, why would an African pay hundreds or thousands to come to Europe, then go back just to benefit from supposedly free health care ? If they have that kind of money, they can get good health care in their home country, or in a neighboring country.
An EU visa is not cheap and not so easy to get, generally you have to show you have a return ticket, insurance, sufficient subsistence means and if you come from certain countries vaccination or a medical check-up may be required.
PS: at your next consultation, you should ask if they have a solution for your rotten brain.

Now, to address the question.
Europe in general has affordable health care AND education, that is even free in some countries.
But Europeans pay higher taxes.
However inequality is rising (a worldwide trend).

The UK has socialized medicine that in my opinion isn't so great. If you have to wait for years for cancer treatment it's not working. If you have money you can go to a private practice but the system is supposed to provide universal care for people, even when they suffer from serious medical conditions or have limited means.

What I find baffling is that the US spends a lot on healthcare too, but the system doesn't seem to very efficient for people. Maybe it works well for the doctors and the industry though.
People in America are highly vulnerable if they start having health issues and do not have good, private, government or corporate coverage.

Another huge problem in America is that students who pursue studies in universities have to run into debt massively. When they start working they already have a 5-figure debt (or more) to pay. More or less slaves for life.

"get good health care in their home country, or in a neighboring country."
In Africa? That's a joke right? Do you know of anyone from Europe or America going to Africa for an operation or for Medical treatment?

In Malaysia, Singapore, India, yes, but certainly not in Africa.

If poor Africans can pay 2000-4000 Euros to human traffickers to get them on a boat to cross the Mediterranean, then thousands of more affluent Africans can better afford 1000 Euros to go to the UK for a a week or so, get an operation or have their babies with the knowledge that they will get far superior hospital care in the UK than in their countries and with the knowledge that they will get it for FREE!!!

They already know all the "tricks of the trade" before arriving in the UK for freebies...

This is common knowledge among some English people, except for biased Liberals like yourself who refuse to acknowledge the facts.

Health tourism SCANDAL revealed: Foreign mums rip-off NHS £16million a year
WOMEN who flock to Britain to give birth for free could be cheating the NHS out of £16million a year.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/899344/nhs-health-tourism-pregnant-figure-money

Nigerian Priscilla ran up £500.000 bill giving birth to quadruplets...

 

[Kate]

People in the UK carry no idea or social security cards, unlike other European countries. So it's less obvious whether a patient is eligible for care or not. Hospitals are supposed to check and charge upfront for non-urgent care.
Certainly doesn't work like this in Portugal and elsewhere in Europe, but you know it right ?

rip-off NHS £16million a year makes a good headline for an English ragtag tabloid but national healthcare systems "being strained by the millions of illegals" like you said is untrue.
NHS has a budget of £120+ billions.

You don't even wonder how she ran up such a bill ? It's because the story is more intricate than presented in that tabloid (what a surprise). In fact that woman ended up giving birth in the UK by accident literally.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38809530

You have a way of presenting things that is always deceptive and selective on facts.
Of course this is what happens when you are fed with biased reporting all day long and you never question what you read. Train your brains more please.

 

[DNWon]

You don't even wonder how she ran up such a bill ? It's because the story is more intricate than presented in that tabloid (what a surprise). In fact that woman ended up giving birth in the UK by accident literally.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38809530

You have a way of presenting things that is always deceptive and selective on facts.

That's funny, as you just did the same thing you're accusing GILSAN of! Talk about stretching the facts to support a narrative. She was in the U.S. to deliver her crew of babies, and didn't have the right insurance paperwork so the U.S. was sending her home to Nigeria, the medical emergency happened en route to Nigeria so they stopped in the UK. So she was trying to abuse the medical system of the U.S. purposefully and ending up abusing the medical system of the UK accidentally. But I guess it's ok because she was trying to defraud the U.S.? Good Grief Kate!!

From the article:

The woman, who is included in the BBC Two programme Hospital, was due to give birth in the US, where she has family, but had been turned away for not having the right hospital paperwork.

She was taken ill on her flight home to Nigeria and ended up in St Mary's A&E, which covers Heathrow after her flight stopped over at the airport.

Priscilla was three months away from her due date.

She gave birth to one baby who died and she and her three children were all placed in intensive care.

Another of her children died on Saturday and her two surviving children remain in intensive care which costs £20,000 a week per child.

Priscilla was released from hospital after six weeks and is being supported by a charity as she has no family in the UK and admits she has no ability to pay the bill.

 

[Kate]

She had family in the US - who could possibly support her there, you don't have all the facts (nor do I). What do you know about her insurance or lack thereof ? Be more cautious in your assessments. Just because somebody does not have the right paperwork does not mean they are fraudsters. I was once nearly turned down from a hospital for that exact reason.
Anyway, this case was clearly outside the norm and most unusual, all that to make a point.

Please don't shoot the messenger. I am only digging for truth, something that Gilsan should have done, rather then presenting another deceptive article.
There is a huge gap between the truth and what some people want to believe.

Also, the comments smack of anger and racism, because there is a lot of ordinary citizens abusing the welfare system. Abuse from foreigners is marginal in comparison.

Hmm I wonder if anger displacement qualifies as a medical condition ? I think medicine should be 100% subsidized and distributed handsomely over here

 

[mr-x]

To Understand Christine Blasey Ford, Take a look at Palo Alto University

Ford is now a feminist folk hero, will make millions of $ and will be swimming in awards and accolades.

Is anybody still convinced by her whinny 12 year old voice reading a prepared statement she rehearsed with her lawyers?

Any liberals on this forum want to explain why she didn't name Brett Kavanaugh in her polygraph test?

 

[mr-x]

SUPERcut of reporters democrats telling people to not use the "mob" word

 

[DNWon]

SUPERcut of reporters democrats telling people to not use the "mob" word

Apparently it's only a mob if they have pitchforks and torches?

 

[mr-x]

Apparently it's only a mob if they have pitchforks and torches?

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I remember people would actually send Glen Beck pitchforks when he had his show on FoxNews. Way back when he still loved Teddy Roosevelt.

Tactical-Pitchfork

 

[wormfood]

https://apnews.com/434e9b61551749a48e05104e5764d579

While Wilson said she would support impeachment if special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation finds grounds to support it, Romney disagreed.

“I don’t think it makes sense to be talking about impeachment, not for a sitting president,” he said.

Oopsie Maybe he mixed it up with indictment.

 

[mr-x]

I hope Kanye and Jim Brown will campaign for President Trump. The media meltdown will be epic.

 

[GILSAN]

Kate calls it a "deceptive" article. Its this Nigerian woman who is the "deceptive" one, as she went on purpose to have all those babies in the US, just like thousands other women have done. Why didn't she stay put in Nigeria to have her babies? Why travel to the US? Why not get the "good health care in her home country, or in a neighboring country" that Kate mentioned?

This is not the only case... there are thousands like it and the British authorities are aware of it. In the end it's the British hard working taxpayer that pays the bill, but GILSAN is the one to blame for bringing these cases up, because it's NOT PC to talk about facts...

God forbid if one says anything bad about Muslims or Blacks or Gay Catholic Pedophile priests! Well, those days are over... many are waking up to some of the negative realities of life and saying it as it is... even if the intolerant, biased Liberals go apesh*t over it...

 

[JB Lions]

haha

 

[enlytend]

haha

Kim will be jealous.
Both "Kims"..

 

[mr-x]

 

[JB Lions]

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Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
25,208.54 −390.20 (1.52%)
Oct 11, 3:37 PM EDT · Disclaimer

Will do a final update later.

Down even more:
25,052.22 −546.52

 

[mr-x]

Who cares. It's down b/c people are afraid of another hike in interest rates. People disagree if that's helpful but it has the effect of nullifying the wage increases for the middle class.

On the other hand, it makes US bonds a better deal.

Also: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/b...3000-despite-stock-market-wreckage-2018-10-11

Market Summary > Dow Jones Industrial Average
INDEXDJX: .DJI
25,208.54 −390.20 (1.52%)
Oct 11, 3:37 PM EDT · Disclaimer

Will do a final update later.

 

[JB Lions]

Down even more:
25,052.22 −546.52

Dow 40,000 is coming, but only after ‘a large panic event’ passes, analyst warns

“We see a large panic event taking shape now that continues into next year — the melt-up we forecasted is done,” he told MarketWatch. “Investors should be out of stocks for most of 2019.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/d...e-panic-event-passes-analyst-warns-2018-10-11

Why the stock market just ushered in its worst start to a quarter in about 2 years
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...tart-to-a-quarter-in-about-2-years-2018-10-10

 

[enlytend]

45 on the Khasoggi issue just now:

If Khashoggi was murdered, it was

• In Turkey, not in US. (Translation: Turkeys problem not ours)
• US resident, not US citizen. (Translation: Another immigrant so who cares)
• Saudis spend $110B on US exports (Translation: Money comes before human lives, ethics and all that stuff. Besides, they keep my family’s properties afloat financially).

Read-between-the-lines translation: And he was just a journalist anyway.