The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

You can put anything in a contract but if it contradicts state or federal law, it's worthless.

You can't bar someone from competing in the market place with an employment contract. You can keep them from taking IP, customer lists, etc.. that's about it. I've been on both-sides of employment / non-compete contracts and they are unenforceable.

Do your own research - i have better things to do than track down the agreement or the past issues with them spewing biased reporting, or the UHF discount, the FCC, and media market monopolies.

I’ll be nice - here’s a start on the employment agreement details. Non competes are legal and enforceable if you sign something agreeing to them.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hollywood/la-fi-ct-sinclair-contracts-20180403-story.html

Propaganda, btw, is insiduous in that that is often more insinuation and half truths than flat out lies.

I never said “as f*ck” - I said “AF.” You filled in your own words and created a perfect example of how that works.

 

[mr-x]

She just won't stop.

 

[enlytend]

You can put anything in a contract but if it contradicts state or federal law, it's worthless.

You can't bar someone from competing in the market place with an employment contract. You can keep them from taking IP, customer lists, etc.. that's about it. I've been on both-sides of employment / non-compete contracts and they are unenforceable.

In what state? They’re flat out not allowed in California and a few other states, but otherwise looks like it depends largely on the state laws - length of time and other specifics. Apparently they’re not that unusual in media.

 

[JB Lions]

Trump to sign proclamation sending National Guard to the border immediately
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ing-national-guard-to-border-immediately.html

https://twitter.com/search?q="National Guard"&src=tren&data_id=tweet:981650766988378112&lang=en

 

[enlytend]

We’ve done that before, but since border crossings are the lowest since the 70s and contraband arrives largely by boat or plane...seems more like window dressing.

Also, seems he did this as a title 32 instead of a title 10 - a title 32 is just a REQUEST for the state governors to send them, not a federal order.

 

[mr-x]

Couldn't have said it better.

We are the majority.

 

[mr-x]

In what state? They’re flat out not allowed in California and a few other states, but otherwise looks like it depends largely on the state laws - length of time and other specifics. Apparently they’re not that unusual in media.

I'll tell you what my lawyer told me.. Don't worry about it, it can't be enforced.

 

[enlytend]

I'll tell you what my lawyer told me.. Don't worry about it, it can't be enforced.

I’m sure he was right in your situation, but like all things legal it seems like it comes down to the jurisdiction and the specifics...

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?httpsredir=1&article=2907&context=key_workplace

(Like in IP law and domains)

Moot point for Sinclair though because apparently this type of non compete is common in the media industry, so I’m writing that off as obnoxious but a non issue.
The propaganda and “must runs”, like statements bashing print media and commentary by Epshteyn, and the proposed Tribune buyout, which will give them control of an unprecedented percentage of media outlets which is only legal because of a technical loophole - still an issue and concern for me.

 

[mr-x]

I’m sure he was right in your situation, but like all things legal it seems like it comes down to the jurisdiction and the specifics...

https://digitalcommons.ilr.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?httpsredir=1&article=2907&context=key_workplace

Moot point for Sinclair though because apparently this type of non compete is common in the media industry, so I’m writing that off as a non issue.
The propaganda and “must runs”, like statements bashing print media and commentary by Epshteyn, and the proposed Tribune buyout, which will give them control of an unprecedented percentage of media outlets which is only legal because of a technical loophole - still an issue and concern for me.

You keep saying propaganda but can't dispute the accuracy of the statement. It was as much a marketing / corporate position as Google's "do no evil" and MSNBC's "lean forward".

The only reason you heard about it was large media companies took offense. If you think network news and cable news are unbiased truth, Sinclair's corporate position might upset you.

 

[mr-x]

Shock! Former Sinclair employee who accused company of right-wing bias is... wait for it... A #resistance player, LGBTQXYZ and BLM marxist.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/29104/now-theres-shocker-producer-who-accused-sinclair-hank-berrien

Skip to 27 seconds.

 

[enlytend]

You keep saying propaganda but can't dispute the accuracy of the statement. It was as much a marketing / corporate position as Google's "do no evil" and MSNBC's "lean forward".

The only reason you heard about it was large media companies took offense. If you think network news and cable news are unbiased truth, Sinclair's corporate position might upset you.

It is not accurate. There’s news and there are opinion pieces. Print media News is as accurate as any other source. Opinion pieces are just that and reflect the overall bias and viewpoints of the outlet.

It’s a business name calling their competitors. “Hefty hefty hefty, wimpy wimpy wimpy” Are the competition bags wimpy? Nope, they’re just fine, but pair the negative terms often enough and people will buy your brand.

Google and Microsoft’s slogans are promoting themselves, not bashing their rivals.

PS Sinclair is forcing all their stations to,bash their rivals while trying to obtain an unfair monopoly of the market. And don’t tell me airing opinion pieces by Epshteyn is unbiased.

 

[mr-x]

It is not accurate. There’s news and there are opinion pieces. Print media News is as accurate as any other source. Opinion pieces are just that and reflect the overall bias of the outlet.
It’s a business name calling their competitors. “Hefty hefty hefty, wimpy wimpy wimpy”

Your position seems to be evolving. Please quote the inaccurate / false / fake parts of Sinclair's statement for us.

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Hi, I’m(A) ____________, and I’m (B) _________________…

(B) Our greatest responsibility is to serve our [local] communities. We are extremely proud of the quality, balanced journalism that [station] produces.

(A) But we’re concerned about the troubling trend of irresponsible, one-sided news stories plaguing our country. The sharing of biased and false news has become all too common on social media.

(B) More alarming, some media outlets publish these same fake stories … stories that just aren’t true, without checking facts first.

(A) Unfortunately, some members of the media use their platforms to push their own personal bias and agenda to control "exactly what people think." … This is extremely dangerous to a democracy.

(B) At [station] it’s our responsibility to pursue and report the truth. We understand Truth is neither politically "left nor right." Our commitment to factual reporting is the foundation of our credibility, now more than ever.
--

The only way the above statement is a "danger to our democracy" is if you're in the business of selling lies and manipulating public opinion.

The numerous scandalous "reports" about President Trump or his administration posted in this thread that have been proven fake a few days latter, proves this statement is factual.

 

[enlytend]

What I said about propaganda before (and you illustrated perfectly by misquoting me) - insinuation, not outright lies. They’re echoing the “fake news” narrative with which 45 labels every story that doesn’t kiss up to him.

If the tribune buyout goes through Sinclair will own over 70% of local news stations. Only legal because of a UHF provision that Pai brought back last year. They will be promoting their own bias via 70% of local news outlets.

 

[enlytend]

1990 interview. Siding with the Tianamen tanks and advocating a coup of Gorbachev because he was NOT an authoritarian leader.

 

[mr-x]

What I said about propaganda before (and you illustrated perfectly by misquoting me) - insinuation, not outright lies. They’re echoing the “fake news” narrative with which 45 labels every story that doesn’t kiss up to him.

If the tribune buyout goes through Sinclair will own over 70% of local news stations. Only legal because of a UHF provision that Pai brought back last year. They will be promoting their own bias via 70% of local news outlets.

If you can't site specific example of propaganda in that document, it doesn't exist.

You've trying to dissemble you earlier statements. If you won't accept simple facts, let's look at motives.

1) Sinclair's wants to build a trusted brand, acknowledges the problem of dishonest / opinionated presentations as news and promises to report facts without bias ( I don't care if you believe them or not ).

2) The left, wants to stop Sinclair from growing because they don't like the political leanings of corporate management.

A left-wing publication accuses Sinclair of forcing stations to read propaganda. Accusation is repeated on air, print and social media thousands of times.

Good liberal sheep bleet their outrage for weeks. Do they change their mind when facts are presented? No.

That little lamb is how propaganda aka.. gas-lighting works.

 

[johname]

I clicked on this because I didn't know what a MAGA shirt was (the version I first saw didn't say Trump) lol


Texas councilwoman charged after yelling at girls wearing Trump 'MAGA' shirt
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...-grilling-girls-trump-shirt-article-1.3917359

Remember political teens are untouchable

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The Austin Bomber set off like 5-7 bombs over weeks before getting caught. This gets caught immediately on his first one.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ontario-explosion-20180405-story.html

 

[mr-x]

Dick Durbin Attacks Sinclair Broadcasting For Refusing To Distribute #FakeNews
https://www.redstate.com/streiff/20...ir-broadcasting-refusing-distribute-fakenews/

 

[enlytend]

If you can't site specific example of propaganda in that document, it doesn't exist.

You've trying to dissemble you earlier statements. If you won't accept simple facts, let's look at motives.

1) Sinclair's wants to build a trusted brand, acknowledges the problem of dishonest / opinionated presentations as news and promises to report facts without bias ( I don't care if you believe them or not ).

2) The left, wants to stop Sinclair from growing because they don't like the political leanings of corporate management.

A left-wing publication accuses Sinclair of forcing stations to read propaganda. Accusation is repeated on air, print and social media thousands of times.

Good liberal sheep bleet their outrage for weeks. Do they change their mind when facts are presented? No.

That little lamb is how propaganda aka.. gas-lighting works.

Ah. Here we go with the ad hominems and name calling and deflection instead of discussing the core issues that I pointed out several times. Which means either you don’t get it or you’ve got nothing.

And it’s where the conversation ends. Once the personal attacks and name calling start*, it ceases to be a discussion and turns into a scat throwing contest. I don’t play that.

PS - it’s “cite”, not “site.”
*Not to mention, twisting my words around, taking things out of context, putting interpretations on things without fact... you do know there's an FCC rule against any one media outlet owning more than a certain percentage of the total stations, right? Its to prevent media monopolies, it's not a "left" thing. Please look up the history of the UHF discount and National Television Ownership Rule, especially why UHF discount was reinstated and who was pushing for it, before you make up alternative facts.

 

[mr-x]

Ah. Here we go with the ad hominems and name calling and deflection instead of discussing the core issues that I pointed out several times. Which means either you don’t get it or you’ve got nothing.

I've presented facts, examples, motive and your history of posting fake news critical of Donald Trump. This is no different.

And it’s where the conversation ends. Once the personal attacks and name calling start*, it ceases to be a discussion and turns into a scat throwing contest. I don’t play that.

One day you'll actually state a fact instead of repeating something you've read and emoting about it.

PS - it’s “cite”, not “site.”
*Not to mention, twisting my words around, taking things out of context, putting interpretations on things without fact... you do know there's an FCC rule against any one media outlet owning more than a certain percentage of the total stations, right? Its to prevent media monopolies, it's not a "left" thing. Please look up the history of the UHF discount and National Television Ownership Rule, especially why UHF discount was reinstated and who was pushing for it, before you make up alternative facts.

You wait until the end to cite facts and laws?

The thread was about your bullshit claim that having each Sinclair media outlet read a mission statement was propaganda. Not how many stations they own.

BTW, Creepy AF is just an abbreviation for creepy as fuck. Everyone knows what you mean.

 

[JB Lions]

We’ve done that before, but since border crossings are the lowest since the 70s and contraband arrives largely by boat or plane...seems more like window dressing.

Also, seems he did this as a title 32 instead of a title 10 - a title 32 is just a REQUEST for the state governors to send them, not a federal order.

Yeah, he's just getting hammered by his base on immigration. He knows he can't back up his promise of a wall, because again, not enough votes, so he wants to do this to try to save himself and Republicans in November.

Trump fell right into Stormy Daniel's lawyers trap and opened his mouth about the payoff, so they're going to refile on Monday to depose Trump. Says he knows nothing about it, knows nothing about where the money came from etc.

Also, not fulfilling his promise of draining the swamp. So many abuses so far, latest Swamp creature is Scott Pruitt, besides being anti-environment and being so bad he needs extra security. Even Fox News is drilling him on it, video below.

Economy
Trump talking about 100 billion tariffs on China, market tumbles again. That and a poor jobs report:

"103,000 jobs were added last month. Wall Street economists had expected an increase of about 185,000, according to Bloomberg."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/06/business/economy/jobs-report.html

Chinese are very smart, targetting the Red States first. They play Chess, while we have a President that would struggle at Checkers.


GOP senator on tariff threat: Hopefully Trump is blowing off steam because ‘this is nuts’
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/gop-senator-on-tariff-threat-hopefully-trump-is-blowing-off-steam-because-‘this-is-nuts’/ar-AAvx58m?li=BBnb7Kz