The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[N-A]

GreatAgain.gov.. priceless.

That was quick lol

 

[JB Lions]

How about BigBaby.gov

"Just had a very open and successful presidential election. Now professional protesters, incited by the media, are protesting. Very unfair!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/796900183955095552

We're literally going to have some thin skinned baby in the White House. very unfair, boohoo.

He should stay off Twitter, because again, stuff like that just amps stuff up.

Is he going to get on Twitter every time his feelings are hurt and share his emotions with the world? If he's bothered by a little protesting, how is he going to handle real stuff?

Oh, Mr. Ryan disagreed with me on my proposal, pass me a tissue. Why doesn't he like me.

 

[kemjika11]

Why? Because they're here illegally? News flash: Don't break the law.

i bet you wont call the profit illegals created for US companies and corporations illegal...
If these illegals were all really that useless, US would have kicked them out a long time. thats a fact. Americans dont do crap that doesnt make them money in the end.

 

[kemjika11]

Riots in Oakland California organized and funded by Moveon.org. Soros funded communist. Smashed Store fronts, cars on fire, profane graphiti all over the place.

Trump supporter pulled from his car, beat by five Hillary voters shouting "that's what you get for voting Trump"

Most peaceful..

OUTLIER scenario. Stop generalizing the mass of protesters because of a minority who are violent

 

[N-A]

i bet you wont call the profit illegals created for US companies and corporations illegal...
If these illegals were all really that useless, US would have kicked them out a long time. thats a fact. Americans dont do crap that doesnt make them money in the end.

Explain to me why it's illegal to hire anyone with an ITIN; something corporations would never do.

I'll wait.

Maybe you're referring to manual labor jobs at farms, etc., which aren't paid by corporate America.

 

[kemjika11]

Sure. I agree that the law abiding immigrants should be given residency, pending citizenship if they so choose.

But the illegals that cause crimes, even minor misdemeanors should face deportation.

Harsh? Hardly. Come to Japan as a tourist and cause disorderly conduct (drunk in public with police intervention) and see how quickly your tourist visa is revoked. We should follow suit with Japan and have the strictest standards to permanent residency; they don't just let anyone stay here forever if not naturally born. I could be kicked out after 50+ years if my wife dies before me.

America will never be Japan or like Japan. Japanese are extremely xenophobic and hate immigrants, America is so not that. Get over it, it will never happen.

 

[Kate]

This is very strange. Trump talking as if he weren't part of the 'establishment' himself. Maybe that's his greatest feat: diverting the attention of voters as to where he comes from. And throughout his life he benefited a lot from the so-called corrupt, "special interests" capitalist system he's now pretending to denounce.
The $64,000 question: how he is going to handle his business interests from now, while avoiding conflicts of interests (or downright corruption) ? Sure, his supporters will expect nothing less than exemplary conduct from him in this matter right ? Will they ?
When in power, will he continue to point fingers at others and claim it's Clinton's fault ? Or will he start taking responsibility ?

 

[kemjika11]

Explain to me why it's illegal to hire anyone with an ITIN; something corporations would never do.

I'll wait.

Maybe you're referring to manual labor jobs at farms, etc., which aren't paid by corporate America.

Ok maybe corporations dont hire them, but i also said US companies, and you've agreed...other biz in the US do too. So? AM not saying illegal immigration and stuff is right, BUT, America has been living and dealing with it, and IF Americans and the US economy didnt benefit, it wouldnt continue like it is today. Accept there are advantages to them working in US. THose guys do many jobs america needs done that many americans wont do, and American benefits.
Illegals committing crimes? u think US crime rate would be that "low" once u remove the illegas? gimme a break. America is a violent country and illegals didnt make it so....they just added more fuel to that fire.

 

[N-A]

America will never be Japan or like Japan. Japanese are extremely xenophobic and hate immigrants, America is so not that. Get over it, it will never happen.

I know they do. I've been here 10 years.

It's a quality that America should embrace though. There are literally 0 problems caused by foreigners here due to the strict immigration policies in place. How many murders were committed by immigrants in the US this year? To my knowledge, there was only 1, O-N-E, here, in a country with 127,300,000 residents. Prior to that? 0, 0, 0, ...

 

[N-A]

Ok maybe corporations dont hire them, but i also said US companies, and you've agreed...other biz in the US do too. So? AM not saying illegal immigration and stuff is right, BUT, America has been living and dealing with it, and IF Americans and the US economy didnt benefit, it wouldnt continue like it is today. Accept there are advantages to them working in US. THose guys do many jobs america needs done that many americans wont do, and American benefits.
Illegals committing crimes? u think US crime rate would be that "low" once u remove the illegas? gimme a break. America is a violent country and illegals didnt make it so....they just added more fuel to that fire.

They, being small businesses, only resort to hiring illegals due to higher taxation though. If they didn't face as many regulations as they do, I'm sure they'd be willing to fill those slots with Americans. Next.

 

[kemjika11]

I know they do. I've been here 10 years.

It's a quality that America should embrace though. There are literally 0 problems caused by foreigners here due to the strict immigration policies in place. How many murders were committed by immigrants in the US this year? To my knowledge, there was only 1, O-N-E, here, in a country with 127,300,000 residents. Prior to that? 0, 0, 0, ...

America cant follow Japan because that would be a complete contradiction- AMerica was built with major help from immigrants and slaves, was Japan? i dont think so. America is an immigrant heaven, just that some stayed long enough to be called "Americans".Americans love guns too and Japan probably has a ban on them, so that also factors in. America's diversity might have caused problems, but it also helped make america the only superpower. China has already overtaken Japan so Japan not adjust and just keep getting old...guess their robots will keep their economy going sooner or later.

 

[kemjika11]

They, being small businesses, only resort to hiring illegals due to higher taxation though. If they didn't face as many regulations as they do, I'm sure they'd be willing to fill those slots with Americans. Next.

But thats the reality! and until it changes, hypotheticals dont mean anything.

 

[N-A]

AMerica was built with major help from immigrants and slaves, was Japan?

Yes. Japan enslaved many Koreans during the past 1000 years; that's the main factor why they get along, but don't play too well some times.

Americans love guns too and Japan probably has a ban on them, so that also factors in.

While there is a "ban" on guns, they're still legal but very regulated (hunting, etc., when found absolutely necessary). And, the Yakuza (gang) is known to shoot up casinos every once in a while to send a message. Musn't I remind you about the 1980s bloodbath they caused as well...

China has already overtaken Japan so Japan

Why do you think that is? Compare the corporate taxes and incentitives for businesses in both countries.

 

[enlytend]

With the protesters: You really don't think there would have been protests if the results had been flipped? With a candidate who wouldn't say if HE would accept the election results if he lost?? Bullsh*t.
This is a very badly divided nation, with strong feelings on both sides.
Before the 2nd amendment, there's the first. It's an important part of what sets this country apart. Appreciate that you live in a country where you CAN gather to express a dissenting opinion.

 

[N-A]

Before the 2nd amendment, there's the first. It's an important part of what sets this country apart. Appreciate that you live in a country where you CAN gather to express a dissenting opinion.

All for #1A and #2A.

But, there's a time and a place. Blocking I-5 is not the place.

 

[N-A]

You really don't think there would have been protests if the results had been flipped?

What kind of argument is this? Jimmy robbed a bank so it must be ok for me to rob a bank.

Nobody is saying that protests wouldn't happen. I predicted they would either way it swung. I just thought liberals had more class, but, they're acting worse than they portrayed conservatives being. I was wrong.

 

[mr-x]

OUTLIER scenario. Stop generalizing the mass of protesters because of a minority who are violent

Tell it the business and citizens who had their storefronts and cars burned in Portland last night.

 

[mr-x]

What kind of argument is this? Jimmy robbed a bank so it must be ok for me to rob a bank.

Nobody is saying that protests wouldn't happen. I predicted they would either way it swung. I just thought liberals had more class, but, they're acting worse than they portrayed conservatives being. I was wrong.

These protest are organized, no spontaneous. Moveon, Occupy, Communist.

 

[mr-x]

US would have kicked them out a long time. thats a fact. Americans dont do crap that doesnt make them money in the end.

There is a corporate lobby that protect illegal immigration, they pay both D's and R's.

Illegal immigrants pay sales tax and if working on the books, payroll tax. That's it.

Men living in the US send most of their money home.

Families enjoy health care, welfare, SNAP ( food stamps ) and education for their children. They pay no state income or property taxes. They can deduct minor children living in the US AND their country of origin.

Illegal immigrants with a tax-id can receive more money back from federal taxes then they paid in.

We treat people very well.

 

[mr-x]

America cant follow Japan because that would be a complete contradiction- AMerica was built with major help from immigrants and slaves, was Japan? i dont think so. America is an immigrant heaven, just that some stayed long enough to be called "Americans".Americans love guns too and Japan probably has a ban on them, so that also factors in. America's diversity might have caused problems, but it also helped make america the only superpower. China has already overtaken Japan so Japan not adjust and just keep getting old...guess their robots will keep their economy going sooner or later.

You make a lot of assumptions.