The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

"I was referring to heterosexual child molesters and it means that I believe they are criminals and there should be zero tolerance for HETEROSEXUAL child molesters. CAPICHE? Is that so bloody hard to understand."

Right, there should be zero tolerance for anybody who molests a child, gay or straight. I think we all can/should agree on that. But you're using that as a reason, for gays not to be able to marry, when there is more with straight people. That's how stupid your argument is, comprende?

"I can easily link you to articles"

Then you would have by now. Maybe you can also catch pink dragons.

 

[GILSAN]

"I was referring to heterosexual child molesters and it means that I believe they are criminals and there should be zero tolerance for HETEROSEXUAL child molesters. CAPICHE? Is that so bloody hard to understand."

Right, there should be zero tolerance for anybody who molests a child, gay or straight. I think we all can/should agree on that. But you're using that as a reason, for gays not to be able to marry, when there is more with straight people. That's how stupid your argument is, comprende?

"I can easily link you to articles"

Then you would have by now. Maybe you can also catch pink dragons.

What you fail to see is that proportionally there are considerably more homosexual child molesters than hetero, and that is whats being covered up.

I watch CNN and they ALWAYS talk about pedophile priests in the Catholic Church, when in actual fact they should be calling it Homosexual Priests, because they outnumber pedophile priests by a very big margin and therefore represent the majority of child molesting cases within the Catholic Church.

This fact is being covered up by the MSM, who don't want to do anything to upset the Gay Lobby + Gay Marriage Agenda and especially not to let ordinary people know the real facts. Keep the people miss-informed, that's what the MSM are specialists at.

 

[Keith]

I watch CNN and they ALWAYS talk about pedophile priests in the Catholic Church, when in actual fact they should be calling it Homosexual Priests

Wrong!

If they weren't taking advantage of underage children there wouldn't be a story. It's not the "gay" factor with catholic priests but it's certainly the "child molester" factor!

The problem with homophobes like yourself is that you fail to value a person based on things like honesty and integrity. You'd rather find fault through categorizing folks who don't choose the same lifestyle as you :imho:

 

[GILSAN]

Wrong!

If they weren't taking advantage of underage children there wouldn't be a story. It's not the "gay" factor with catholic priests but it's certainly the "child molester" factor!
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You are the one that's wrong

CNN is putting all the blame on pedophile priests when they should be putting most of the blame on the Homosexual Priests because they are the main child molesters in the Catholic Church

And if they do it inside the Catholic Church, it will be no different outside the church.

BTW, calling me a homophobe means absolutely nothing, especially when it is said by a brainwashed Liberal

 

[Keith]

You are the one that's wrong

CNN is putting all the blame on pedophile priests when they should be putting most of the blame on the Homosexual Priests

The CNN reports and this topic are clearly over your head.

Don't you see, if the priests were engaging in sexual acts with consenting adults there would be little news to report. The real story is that these "godly" figures are taking advantage of children in the worst possible way! It's not a gay or straight issue, it's a molestation issue!!!

 

[verbster]

Here is what appears to be a balanced look at the issue. Decide for yourself. Also, take a look at the topics on the side.

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000030

http://www.procon.org/faqs.php

http://www.procon.org/traffic.php

 

[JB Lions]

Here is what appears to be a balanced look at the issue. Decide for yourself. Also, take a look at the topics on the side.

http://borngay.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000030

That one is interesting in that for the Pro 4/5 are faith based, the other guy is some blogspot blogger. And they're using the same exact stat

The CON, looks like a couple gay rights activists, and science/medical related - American Psychological Association, Clinical Sexology Services at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Division of Child Maltreatment

I'm going with Science, since we know Faith Based is usually anti-homosexual

 

[GILSAN]

The CNN reports and this topic are clearly over your head.

Don't you see, if the priests were engaging in sexual acts with consenting adults there would be little news to report. The real story is that these "godly" figures are taking advantage of children in the worst possible way! It's not a gay or straight issue, it's a molestation issue!!!

You really don't get it, do you? What the hell have I been talking about for the whole day? I've been talking about CHILD MOLESTATION and the disproportionate amount of gays involved in it, not "sexual acts with consenting adults". What gays do with consenting adults is their business, but when they or straight people abuse children it becomes everyone's business AFAIC.

Verbster kindly left a link about precisely what I've been talking about and it explains in better English than what I'm able to write, what I've been saying. If you want to be like JB Lions and believe in the CON that's your prerogative, but if you read the entire article , as I have, it will also show that what I've been saying is something that should be seriously debated because unfortunately it's been conveniently covered up and is obviously a Taboo subject to Liberals, but not to me.

The numbers don't lie, and if you use your common sense and do your maths right you will see that the PRO have it right, :imho:

 

[randomo]

Brazil Approves Civil Union For Three People, Sparking Religious Fury
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...l-union-three-people-christian_n_1838587.html

Do you agree with this?

As I said, I was speaking about the United States. Even though there are some isolated (and law-breaking) polygamist groups here, I can't imagine plural marriage becoming nationally legalized.

Other countries may have different ideas - such as Australia, which does allow plural marriage under certain conditions, apparently as a nod to Aboriginal cultures that have long practiced the custom.

 

[GILSAN]

As I said, I was speaking about the United States. Even though there are some isolated (and law-breaking) polygamist groups here, I can't imagine plural marriage becoming nationally legalized.

Other countries may have different ideas - such as Australia, which does allow plural marriage under certain conditions, apparently as a nod to Aboriginal cultures that have long practiced the custom.

Or South Africa, where their President, Jacob Zuma is married to 3 or 4 wives and has several girlfriends, who could become future wives, if he so wishes. He is a Zulu and that is part of their tradition, yet most other tribes and whites there are NOT allowed by S. African law to marry more than one wife.

You say "I can't imagine plural marriage becoming nationally legalized." You may be right and you may be wrong. Who's to say that after the "last frontier" as you call gay marriage, other groups, such as the Mormons or others won't start demanding their right to polygamy. Or demands for even stranger things?

 

[JB Lions]

"Or demands for even stranger things?"

You're dying to bring in animals aren't you.

 

[verbster]

It's a terrible topic, but thanks to this thread and the research it has provoked, I've learned much about the horrific sexual abuse problem kids are facing today. I am so grateful it didn't happen to me and so pissed off at the people who are not only performing these atrocities, but also at the people who often just allow it to happen, sometimes encourage it.

It's difficult to comprehend that the vast majority of these destructive crimes are committed by acquaintances and relatives. Like many things, it's easy to pretend it's not happening my neighborhood, but when I opened up the sexual predator listings, I was truly startled and to see all the convicted abusers. And I felt sick to my stomach. I'm not sure many people know how bad it is.

Finding the "truth" on the Internet is getting difficult. The same information, statistics, facts, truths, lies and misperceptions from just a few sites are spread and reprinted on countless sites as being the truth but are often propagating myths and incorrect information. In truth, I had a hard time finding the "truth" and still have many questions not fully answered.

I do know one thing, this is a global tragedy. The abused must be cared for, and the abusers need to suffer for what they do. If what I've heard about prisoners hating molesters and rendering their own justice on them, I couldn't think of a more fitting punishment.

Unfortunately, the hard problem is how to stop it. I don't know if it can be stopped because I'm not sure these guys can stop themselves. I hate to think we're stuck simply punishing a small percentage of abusers while kids are suffering.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"What you fail to see is that proportionally there are considerably more homosexual child molesters than hetero, and that is whats being covered up.

I watch CNN and they ALWAYS talk about pedophile priests in the Catholic Church, when in actual fact they should be calling it Homosexual Priests, because they outnumber pedophile priests by a very big margin and therefore represent the majority of child molesting cases within the Catholic Church. "

? Where is the data in regards to there being proportionally more homosexual child molesters? Who is collecting and presenting this data?? I belive the term pedohile can be used regardless of sexual orietation. Shouldnt "they" use the term "bisexual Priests" to be 100% accurate?

Simple questions since there are some fundimental things that need to be cleared up:
Do you think homosexuality causes child molestation?
What threat does homosexual marrage pose to you?
What is the concrete threat to "family values"?

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Whats interesting is a lot of the people yelling the loudest about gay marrage often yell about "big goverment" and "over regulation". If the goverment teling you who you are legaly allowed to marry is not a big goverment intrusion, then what is?
The same people also are in favor of reducing taxes, in order to stimulate the economy. Gay marrage would allow for tax reduction married couples. According to one school of thought, this should in turn lead to more spending , not only that the wedding industry will be booming=more economic growth.

There is a major contradiction when people want less goverment but more regulation in regards to marrage. Either you are for less goverment, or you are not, you can not have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Kate]

The World According to Gilsan:

This is what will happen when same-sex marriage is allowed:

=> the heteros will convert to homosexuality en masse and homosexuality will spread like a contagious disease thanks to the highly effective homosexual 'propaganda' Gilsan is constantly whining about
=> your children (oh the poor children) in particular are vulnerable and could suddenly become gay because the gay 'propaganda' is so powerful it can sway them to the other side (keep those earplugs handy)
=> but the above is a moot point anyway, because your children will be much more likely to be raped by gays so it doesn't matter if they convert or not
=> heterosexual couples will no longer have any desire to marry because the once sacrosanct institution has been tarnished and devalued as a whole
=> as a result of the above, couples will stop having children
=> and humanity will die
=> oh I forgot to mention: AIDS will become as common as flu in winter.

But what is happening in the real world, in the countries where same-sex marriage is a reality ?
Did such predictions hold true ?

 

[GILSAN]

Seems like only one person learned something from this topic, only one person actually went out to look for the truth even though he admits and I quote: "I had a hard time finding the "truth" and still have many questions not fully answered."

Everyone else is too blind and unwilling to look for the truth. Just sweep it under the rug, just like the MSM does, just give Gilsan hell, rip him to pieces, how dare he even suggest that gays are capable of child molestation.

How dare he even suggest that there are gay Catholic priests, no, no, no, they aren't gay, they are pedophile priests, or Bisexual priests, but Gay... never. Homosexuals are incapable of such behavior.

Yes there are Pedophile priests and Bisexual Priests, but they are in small numbers when compared to Homosexual Priests. The point is that when a child is sexually molested there should be severe punishement under the law against the perpetrator, regardless of whether he/she is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or pedophile, and the same goes for priests in the Catholic or any other church.

In this whole discussion, only one person showed disgust about the victims of children being sexually abused. Everyone else is simply ferociously defending their belief that homosexuals are not involved in child sexual molestations, when in fact they are and in very large numbers.

 

[Keith]

Only one person shows disgust about the victims of children being sexually abused. Everyone else is simply ferociously defending their belief that homosexuals are not involved in child sexual molestations, when in fact they are and in very large numbers.

The definition of a pedophile... http://simple.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophile

We are correct to classify priests (or other adults) that have sexual relations with children as pedophiles. You however, want to create a definition centered around sexual preference which makes no sense. Why aren't you providing stats on how many molestations take place by race? You aren't because race doesn't matter and sexual preference is no different.

You see, committing a crime, will always be wrong. Things like sexual preference and skin color are irrelevant!

 

[verbster]

Seems like only one person learned something from this topic, only one person actually went out to look for the truth even though he admits and I quote: "I had a hard time finding the "truth" and still have many questions not fully answered."

Everyone else is too blind and unwilling to look for the truth. Just sweep it under the rug, just like the MSM does, just give Gilsan hell, rip him to pieces, how dare he even suggest that gays are capable of child molestation.

How dare he even suggest that there are gay Catholic priests, no, no, no, they aren't gay, they are pedophile priests, or Bisexual priests, but Gay... never. Homosexuals are incapable of such behavior.

Yes there are Pedophile priests and Bisexual Priests, but they are in small numbers when compared to Homosexual Priests. The point is that when a child is sexually molested there should be severe punishement under the law against the perpetrator, regardless of whether he/she is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or pedophile, and the same goes for priests in the Catholic or any other church.

In this whole discussion, only one person showed disgust about the victims of children being sexually abused. Everyone else is simply ferociously defending their belief that homosexuals are not involved in child sexual molestations, when in fact they are and in very large numbers.

No one is arguing that some molestations against boys are done by Gay men; they are just arguing that it's not in the large percentages you claim. I agree with them. My 'questions that aren't fully answered yet" are those that lack complete information and confirmation, not confusion.

For example, a definition of a pedophile states that the abuser must be age 16 or older and at least five years older than the prepubescent victim, who is 11 or under (13 or under in some cases), so it's hard to make sense of some stats.

Also, there is the debate concerning "exclusive pedophiles," who are sexually interested in prepubescents only, and "non-exclusive pedophiles" who molest kids but have "normal" adult relationships, too.

And then there is your postulate that any male adult (non-exclusive) who molests a male child must be gay, when others believe pedophilia is a disease that often doesn't distinguish between male and female; it's just the age that matters (exclusive).

So my unanswered questions are just that, nothing else.

 

[JB Lions]

Seems like only one person learned something from this topic, only one person actually went out to look for the truth even though he admits and I quote: "I had a hard time finding the "truth" and still have many questions not fully answered."

Everyone else is too blind and unwilling to look for the truth. Just sweep it under the rug, just like the MSM does, just give Gilsan hell, rip him to pieces, how dare he even suggest that gays are capable of child molestation.

How dare he even suggest that there are gay Catholic priests, no, no, no, they aren't gay, they are pedophile priests, or Bisexual priests, but Gay... never. Homosexuals are incapable of such behavior.

Yes there are Pedophile priests and Bisexual Priests, but they are in small numbers when compared to Homosexual Priests. The point is that when a child is sexually molested there should be severe punishement under the law against the perpetrator, regardless of whether he/she is homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual or pedophile, and the same goes for priests in the Catholic or any other church.

In this whole discussion, only one person showed disgust about the victims of children being sexually abused. Everyone else is simply ferociously defending their belief that homosexuals are not involved in child sexual molestations, when in fact they are and in very large numbers.

What does any of that have to do with gay marriage? That was the topic. You come in with all this other stuff, suicide, street fairs, aids, other diseases, pedophile priests, molestation etc. Again, most of the stuff you brought up can be done by anybody, gay or straight. So what was the point of bringing it up, in regards to gay marriage? What exactly is the point you're trying to make, be specific.

 

[JB Lions]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrngYNGNeE"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrngYNGNeE[/ame]

 

[verbster]

Until who paid for it was revealed, which in a way, makes it the worst pro-gay marriage ad.